Saudi Arabia Beheads 37 Citizens..

Saudi Arabia reportedly beheaded 37 of its citizens on Tuesday, marking the largest number of executions in a single day since 2016. The Associated Press reports that the body and severed head of a convicted Sunni extremist was also pinned to a pole and displayed publicly as a warning to others.

Cameron wrote:Saudi Arabia is fucked up.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Cameron wrote:Saudi Arabia is fucked up.

it is.

but they can afford to be.. because oil.

Turtleneck wrote:Might have been in the link, but among the 37 was a man arrested in 2012, then 17 years old, just before he departed Saudi Arabia to begin studying at WMU.

A Saudi Arabian man who was arrested as a teenager as he was getting ready to fly to America to begin his studies at Western Michigan University was beheaded by the government Tuesday, according to a report from an official press agency.

Mujtaba al-Sweikat was 17 when he was detained at King Fahd International Airport in 2012. Earlier that year, Al-Sweikat allegedly attended a pro-democracy rally in the midst of the Arab Spring, which led to his arrest. He was intending to visit Western Michigan, where he had been accepted as a student, the university confirmed to the Free Press in 2017.

Heat Miser wrote:Devil's advocate: the US executed 25 people in 2018. Where's our moral high ground? Quantity? Method? Severity of offense?

Heat Miser wrote:I'd argue beheading, while certainly more gruesome, is more humane than lethal injection or electrocution.

Heat Miser wrote:Devil's advocate: the US executed 25 people in 2018. Where's our moral high ground? Quantity? Method? Severity of offense?

Heat Miser wrote:I'd argue beheading, while certainly more gruesome, is more humane than lethal injection or electrocution.

Rocinante wrote:Can we be against capital punishment, no matter the method or location on the planet? Thanks.

Rocinante wrote:Can we be against capital punishment, no matter the method or location on the planet? Thanks.

Cameron wrote:

Rocinante wrote:Can we be against capital punishment, no matter the method or location on the planet? Thanks.

It's possible to oppose capital punishment while recognizing that some forms/instances are worse than others.

Heat Miser wrote:I'd argue beheading, while certainly more gruesome, is more humane than lethal injection or electrocution.

tGreenWay wrote:

Heat Miser wrote:I'd argue beheading, while certainly more gruesome, is more humane than lethal injection or electrocution.

Exactly right. Was thinking about this after reading the article this morning. Instant death. The American system inflicts great pain far too often. I’ve heard friends on the Right say good, it’s what they deserve. They’re too thick to understand why it’s a bad thing, and don’t care enough to learn.

Cameron wrote:

Rocinante wrote:Can we be against capital punishment, no matter the method or location on the planet? Thanks.

It's possible to oppose capital punishment while recognizing that some forms/instances are worse than others.

Floyd Robertson wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:

Exactly right. Was thinking about this after reading the article this morning. Instant death. The American system inflicts great pain far too often. I’ve heard friends on the Right say good, it’s what they deserve. They’re too thick to understand why it’s a bad thing, and don’t care enough to learn.

Do we really know though? The decapitated might be conscious afterward for a few seconds.

tGreenWay wrote:

Floyd Robertson wrote:

Do we really know though? The decapitated might be conscious afterward for a few seconds.

Still waiting for the Trip Advisor review of death.


But obviously, no we don’t. However, we do know lethal injections are exceptional painful for however long it takes for the drugs to work, and the electric chair fails from time to time, allowing the conscious to be zapped a second and even third time. Personally, I’d take the beheading.

So while it's not entirely impossible for someone to still be conscious after being decapitated, it's not likely. Hillman also goes on to point out that the so-called painless guillotine is likely anything but. He states that "death occurs due to separation of the brain and spinal cord, after transection of the surrounding tissues. This must cause acute and possibly severe pain." This is one of the reasons why the guillotine, and beheading in general, is no longer an accepted method of execution in many countries with capital punishment.

Heat Miser wrote:Then there's this:

Your Brain Stays Active After You Get Decapitated

So while it's not entirely impossible for someone to still be conscious after being decapitated, it's not likely. Hillman also goes on to point out that the so-called painless guillotine is likely anything but. He states that "death occurs due to separation of the brain and spinal cord, after transection of the surrounding tissues. This must cause acute and possibly severe pain." This is one of the reasons why the guillotine, and beheading in general, is no longer an accepted method of execution in many countries with capital punishment.

Still not convinced it's worse than lethal injection or the chair.

Jake from State Farm wrote:Ouch - Long Read

tGreenWay wrote:

Cameron wrote:

It's possible to oppose capital punishment while recognizing that some forms/instances are worse than others.

Are you suggesting American forms of capital punishment aren’t as bad as other countries?

Cameron wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:

Are you suggesting American forms of capital punishment aren’t as bad as other countries?

I'm suggesting that, at a bare minimum, being drawn and quartered would be a worse way to go than being taken out by a firing squad. And being executed for murder is more just than being executed for selling drugs.

I am opposed to capital punishment, but I find some forms/instances/reasons more objectionable than others. Doesn't mean I agree with any of it.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Cameron wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:

Are you suggesting American forms of capital punishment aren’t as bad as other countries?

I'm suggesting that, at a bare minimum, being drawn and quartered would be a worse way to go than being taken out by a firing squad. And being executed for murder is more just than being executed for selling drugs.

I am opposed to capital punishment, but I find some forms/instances/reasons more objectionable than others. Doesn't mean I agree with any of it.

I agree with you.

the main reason, as I mentioned, that the United States mainly deals in lethal injection when we murder our own citizens is that it gives the illusion of the person just kind of drifting off to sleep. Which, of course, is not accurate at all.

it's basically a PR move - and I suspect it helps the white christians who make/legislate such decisions with regard to who lives and who dies sleep better at night.

Heat Miser wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I agree with you.

the main reason, as I mentioned, that the United States mainly deals in lethal injection when we murder our own citizens is that it gives the illusion of the person just kind of drifting off to sleep. Which, of course, is not accurate at all.

it's basically a PR move - and I suspect it helps the white christians who make/legislate such decisions with regard to who lives and who dies sleep better at night.

This. Not done for the benefit of the executed, but to make it easier for the rest of us to accept. That's also why they're not televised. If it's supposed to be a deterrent, why not show everybody?

In Saudi Arabia, crucifixion means the body of someone executed is strung up and put on display as a deterrent to others.

Heat Miser wrote:Apparently, the Saudis also crucified one of the beheaded. Imagine what the heat does to that corpse.

In Saudi Arabia, crucifixion means the body of someone executed is strung up and put on display as a deterrent to others.

Saudi Arabia executes 37 people, crucifying one, for terror-related crimes