Another Malaysia Airliner down - 777 w/ 295 souls

by **Gomer** Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:32 am

Near Donetsk Ukraine enroute to Malaysia from the Netherlands.

by **Gomer** Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:34 am

Interfax claiming it was shot down.

by **steveschneider** Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:36 am

wwIII

by **Robert J Sakimano** Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:37 am

yikes

by **Wally Fairway** Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:38 am

Gomer wrote:Near Donetsk Ukraine enroute to Malaysia from the Netherlands.

are they certain it isn't that they have finally found the first one???
(yeah I know I'm an asshole)

by **goodbar** Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:38 am

Russia?

by CheesySpartan Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:39 am

Malaysian government sending search and rescue teams to the Atlantic ocean as we speak...

by TrueGreenSpartan Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:53 am

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696161/BREAKING-NEWS-Malaysian-passenger-plane-carrying-295-people-crashes-Ukraine-near-Russian-border.html?ito=social-facebook

by tTito Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:02 pm

Someone has some explaining to do.

by **Giant Moose** Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:03 pm

This is scary.

by **Giant Moose** Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:05 pm

Can we get Murky Waters to come back to tSwill?

by **Rocinante** Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:09 pm

Giant Moose wrote:This is scary.

Yeah, but it's Malaysian. If it was German or British, or hell, Russian there might be consequences. Not trying to be callous, but as an international incident, I'm not seeing the weight of something like this. Lots of condemnation speeches and what not, but what's really going to be done? Unless this leads to western troops on the ground in Ukraine. In which case all bets are off and WW3 might be touched off...

by **InTenSity** Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:09 pm

Nothing on Reddit yet, at least not on the first page.

by **Giant Moose** Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:14 pm

Rocinante wrote:

Yeah, but it's Malaysian. If it was German or British, or hell, Russian there might be consequences. Not trying to be callous, but as an international incident, I'm not seeing the weight of something like this. Lots of condemnation speeches and what not, but what's really going to be done? Unless this leads to western troops on the ground in Ukraine. In which case all bets are off and WW3 might be touched off...

295 civilians dead in this way? I still think there might be consequences, Malaysian jet or not.

by **Dr. Strangelove** Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:14 pm

Note to self: Never fly Malaysia Airlines.

by **Dr. Strangelove** Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:16 pm

Giant Moose wrote:

295 civilians dead in this way? I still think there might be consequences, Malaysian jet or not.

If Ronald Reagan didn't do anything in response to the Commies shooting down KAL007 with a US Congressman aboard I highly doubt that the current occupant of the White House will do anything.

by **Floyd Robertson** Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:16 pm

by **Rocinante** Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:17 pm

The way I could see it playing out is Russia using it as an excuse to invade again (those 'citizen malitias' were not what they were claimed to be, I think we can all agree). If that happens, there might be a problem. Otherwise, maybe some peacekeepers? I'm just having trouble connecting the dots to how this would escalate. Again, not truing to be callous. I understand a lot of people are dead. I'm just trying to see big picture here.

by **Giant Moose** Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:19 pm

Not sure if this provides any good background info for people who understand it more than I do: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17

by **Heat Miser** Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:24 pm

Giant Moose wrote:Not sure if this provides any good background info for people who understand it more than I do: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17

That daily flight goes over a lot of countries I would never want to fly over.

by **Giant Moose** Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:26 pm

The NY Times and CNN are both being pretty cautious and still seem to be calling this a crash instead of being shot down...

by **InTenSity** Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:28 pm

Wouldn't this flight potentially have a lot of different nationalities on board? Summertime holiday for a lot of European's. I doubt it is a flight full of Malaysians.

by **Giant Moose** Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:28 pm

Dr. Strangelove wrote:

If Ronald Reagan didn't do anything in response to the Commies shooting down KAL007 with a US Congressman aboard I highly doubt that the current occupant of the White House will do anything.

Good point. I had forgotten about that.

by **Heat Miser** Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:28 pm

Dr. Strangelove wrote:Note to self: Never fly Malaysia Airlines.

Malaysia was award-winning airline before losing planes Another Malaysia Airliner down - 777 w/ 295 souls 2599972566

by Rodeo Burger Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:30 pm

Well, it's a good thing Putin is our ally. It's not like he'd go in and steal Crimea or shoot down a civilian airliner.

by **WBill** Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:35 pm

Report on CNBC. Flying at 30,000 feet, would take a SAM to bring it down.

by Bill Cain Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:35 pm

Obama is having tons of problem with US-Mexico Border and needs an out.
Russia/Ukraine are still in conflict. Obama needs a big news story to move away from immigration issue. Obama just had a meeting with Putin Wednesday. The next day major Airliner was shot down by apparent Russian missile. All news outlets are now reporting the attack and forgetting about Border problems.

All according to plan...and no one is the wiser

by **I.B. Fine** Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:36 pm

Dr. Strangelove wrote:Note to self: Never fly Malaysia Airlines.

Absolutely this.
The FAA had forbidden US carriers from flying over that area, seems sort of common sense, but then again, I'm not Malaysian

by **Giant Moose** Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:36 pm

How come no one has any reports near the crash site yet? I mean there is a big trail of smoke leading to it...

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by **I.B. Fine** Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:38 pm

Giant Moose wrote:How come no one has any reports near the crash site yet? I mean there is a big trail of smoke leading to it...

Just heard reports of bodies scattered for miles, saw a pic of a piece of wreckage. Thing definitely was blown apart up high.

by **Heat Miser** Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:38 pm

Bill Cain wrote:Obama is having tons of problem with US-Mexico Border and needs an out.
Russia/Ukraine are still in conflict. Obama needs a big news story to move away from immigration issue. Obama just had a meeting with Putin Wednesday. The next day major Airliner was shot down by apparent Russian missile. All news outlets are now reporting the attack and forgetting about Border problems.

All according to plan...and no one is the wiser

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by **Giant Moose** Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:39 pm

I.B. Fine wrote:

Just heard reports of bodies scattered for miles, saw a pic of a piece of wreckage. Thing definitely was blown apart up high.

OK, thanks. Was wondering why it was taking so long for some of that info to come out.

by **Giant Moose** Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:42 pm

@ncitayim
BREAKING: Other flights in area of #Malaysia'n #MH17 flight shot down seem to be changing course, via @airlivenet

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by **Dr. Strangelove** Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:43 pm

WBill wrote:Report on CNBC. Flying at 30,000 feet, would take a SAM to bring it down.

30,000 feet? Piece of cake. It's been reported that it was hit by an SA-17 surface to air missile. They have top out at 70,000 feet or so.

by **Giant Moose** Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:45 pm

http://images.scribblelive.com/2014/7/17/fdc65db2-c6d3-4292-84c3-bc3a9d9d088e_500.jpg

A general view shows the site of a Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 plane crash in the settlement of Grabovo in the Donetsk region, July 17, 2014. REUTERS/Maxim Zmeyev

by **WBill** Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:46 pm

So who stands to gain anything by murdering 300 people who have nothing to do with Russia or Ukraine.

by tTito Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:46 pm

Bill Cain wrote:Obama is having tons of problem with US-Mexico Border and needs an out.
Russia/Ukraine are still in conflict. Obama needs a big news story to move away from immigration issue. Obama just had a meeting with Putin Wednesday. The next day major Airliner was shot down by apparent Russian missile. All news outlets are now reporting the attack and forgetting about Border problems.

All according to plan...and no one is the wiser

Bush did take down the World Trade Center and Barry isn't one to be shown-up, especially by a red neck cracker.

by tTito Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:49 pm

WBill wrote:So who stands to gain anything by murdering 300 people who have nothing to do with Russia or Ukraine.

Well, we used to call them "terrorists" but Barry Soetoro changed the name to "international combatants" because he didn't want to offend them.

by TrueGreenSpartan Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:51 pm

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