tOfficial Cedar Village Riot Thread

[steveschneider]

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[Floyd Robertson]

Burning a couch is one thing. Flipping a car and kicking in the windshield is embarrassing AF. Some people are going to go through some things.

[steveschneider]

Burning a couch is one thing. Flipping a car and kicking in the windshield is embarrassing AF. Some people are going to go through some things.

Yeah, the car thing was awful. Seems like over the years there’s a couple of couches burned a year. That pick of the two sitting on the burning couch looks like an album cover.

[Floyd Robertson]

If you listen to the Wetzel/Forde/Thamel podcast from yesterday, that car demolition takes up first 10 minutes. They make the very good point that we/MSU spends a lot of time & energy try to prove we're a great school then this happens. The best on-campus atmosphere in 20 years tarnished by the bullshit actions of handful. I don't know how to root this shit out of our DNA, but it has to happen.

[steveschneider]

If you listen to the Wetzel/Forde/Thamel podcast from yesterday, that car demolition takes up first 10 minutes. They make the very good point that we/MSU spends a lot of time & energy try to prove we're a great school then this happens. The best on-campus atmosphere in 20 years tarnished by the bullshit actions of handful. I don't know how to root this shit out of our DNA, but it has to happen.

I remember there was talks of razing Cedar Village after the Duke riots. That might be a good start.

[Floyd Robertson]

If you listen to the Wetzel/Forde/Thamel podcast from yesterday, that car demolition takes up first 10 minutes. They make the very good point that we/MSU spends a lot of time & energy try to prove we're a great school then this happens. The best on-campus atmosphere in 20 years tarnished by the bullshit actions of handful. I don't know how to root this shit out of our DNA, but it has to happen.

I remember there was talks of razing Cedar Village after the Duke riots. That might be a good start.

I can imagine that police staffs (both EL and MSU DPS) were stretched thin on Saturday, but how do you not have enough presence in CV to ward this off? Granted, "enough presence" is a fine line between holding the line and asking for a riot.

[AvgMSUJoe]

The "consequence" must not have been properly communicated to the latest pod of students. The current little shits know about the fires of the past, they don't know the idiots that did it got kicked out of school, went to jail and are now 3rd shift managers at the Speedway down the road from their mom and dad's basement.

[Dendrobates]

Ridiculous and embarrassing. This shit has to stop. Who in their right mind thinks this is a good idea? Not only that, but cameras are everywhere. If they were a student, they no longer are today.

[Other Teams Pursuing That]

seems like the word "riot" doesn't really fit here

[The Pantry]

Ridiculous and embarrassing. This shit has to stop. Who in their right mind thinks this is a good idea? Not only that, but cameras are everywhere. If they were a student, they no longer are today.

Been really drunk in EL and on campus but never would have considered the car thing.  Though, a bunch of us once picked up a car in a bar parking lot and turned it 90°  between two other cars so it couldn't be driven away until one of the others vehicles left.

[Cameron]

I'm not saying I agree with the behavior in question, but the present generation has just as much right as any that came before to be reckless morons who jeopardize their own futures with public jackassery. The beat goes on.

[Robert J Sakimano]

it's a fairly systemic issue.

one variable is how couch-burning has turned into a joke, an expectation. Even the mayor of East Lansing (whom I'm not a fan of), posted a picture last week of a sad couch meme.. of course, she's not encouraging this behavior, but by amplifying it into a comedic caricature, it furthers the normalization of the behavior.

also, as someone else suggested, I'm 100% okay with kids being made an example out of. Kids, past and present, who have been arrested, kicked out of school, convicted, etc., need to become a public service announcement of what not to do.

Put their face on the City of EL, MSU, MSU PD, etc. Twitter feed incessantly the week leading up to the game.. "don't be this guy" with his/her fucking mug shot, criminal charges, fines assessed, jail time served, etc.

the whole email about "Spartans Will Celebrate Responsibly" is a freaking joke.

I'm all for them having fun. I'm all for them totally clogging up downtown celebrating..  and this is coming from a proud East Lansing resident. It's part of why we live in East Lansing. But the destruction is ridiculous.

[Turtleneck]

These moments are really good examples of the white privilege that supposedly doesn't exist.

[steveschneider]

seems like the word "riot" doesn't really fit here

Maybe because we’ve had some gigantic city wide ones and this small one doesn’t feel the same but what happened fits the definition.


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a violent disturbance of the peace by a crowd.

[steveschneider]

it's a fairly systemic issue.

one variable is how couch-burning has turned into a joke, an expectation. Even the mayor of East Lansing (whom I'm not a fan of), posted a picture last week of a sad couch meme.. of course, she's not encouraging this behavior, but by amplifying it into a comedic caricature, it furthers the normalization of the behavior.

also, as someone else suggested, I'm 100% okay with kids being made an example out of. Kids, past and present, who have been arrested, kicked out of school, convicted, etc., need to become a public service announcement of what not to do.

Put their face on the City of EL, MSU, MSU PD, etc. Twitter feed incessantly the week leading up to the game.. "don't be this guy" with his/her fucking mug shot, criminal charges, fines assessed, jail time served, etc.

the whole email about "Spartans Will Celebrate Responsibly" is a freaking joke.

I'm all for them having fun. I'm all for them totally clogging up downtown celebrating..  and this is coming from a proud East Lansing resident. It's part of why we live in East Lansing. But the destruction is ridiculous.

I think it's just a college thing. I lived by Berkeley and while I lived there a car got flipped and destroyed on Telegraph and after a UCLA game there was a massive free for all brawl at 2AM when the bars let out in the middle of Telegraph. Living on the east coast riots at UCONN have popped up on my radar that looked really bad and I remember Maryland setting their town on fire after the 2002 NCAA championship game. Worked with a Maryland grad that said he wasn't shocked and used to see stuff like it all the time.

Have worked with Buckeye grads and UNC grads that would tell me about drunken mayhem and destruction they witnessed at their time in school. I think pretty much after every UNC basketball game students run out to Franklin ST and burn shit all the time. I think part of it is to your point the couch thing has become a joke and our state really puts a spotlight on MSUs riots. Whenever a couch goes up on flames it gets distributed across FB and social media.

[The Pantry]

I'm not saying I agree with the behavior in question, but the present generation has just as much right as any that came before to be reckless morons who jeopardize their own futures with public jackassery. The beat goes on.

Current generation seems to be really dumb considering camera phones and surveillance cameras are everywhere.

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Just saw this.

[TrapperGus]

The Blue Wall amplifies anything that happens in East Lansing and ignores anything that happens in A2

[tGreenWay]

seems like the word "riot" doesn't really fit here

Yep, not a riot. At least, not by historic EL standards. Still, incredibly stupid for all the reasons mentioned here.

It occurred to me yesterday, while looking at these pics and vid, that a couple of these morans could be the kids of the idiots who rioted in ‘99, ‘00, etc.

[Turtleneck]

seems like the word "riot" doesn't really fit here

Yep, not a riot. At least, not by historic EL standards. Still, incredibly stupid for all the reasons mentioned here.

It occurred to me yesterday, while looking at these pics and vid, that a couple of these morans could be the kids of the idiots who rioted in ‘99, ‘00, etc.

I'm fine with calling it a riot. Downplaying it just feeds into that whole privilege thing.

[steveschneider]

Yep, not a riot. At least, not by historic EL standards. Still, incredibly stupid for all the reasons mentioned here.

It occurred to me yesterday, while looking at these pics and vid, that a couple of these morans could be the kids of the idiots who rioted in ‘99, ‘00, etc.

I'm fine with calling it a riot. Downplaying it just feeds into that whole privilege thing.

"Couch burning began on the streets of East Lansing just a few minutes after Michigan State's big victory Saturday over rival Michigan as the city's fire department confirmed over 20 fires as of 5:55 p.m. and a video showed a car being flipped over."

Over twenty fires spread across town and a car being flipped. I'm going to guess the majority of cities across this nation would consider that a riot if that happened in their community.

[MiamiSpartan]

Fucking Antifa, at it again.

[AvgMSUJoe]

Fucking Antifa, at it again.

Those looked more like the BLM guys who created the mess on 1/6.

[The Pantry]

No reason to bring politics in this thread.

[Robert J Sakimano]

Fucking Antifa, at it again.

Those looked more like the BLM guys who created the mess on 1/6.

[Other Teams Pursuing That]

Yep, not a riot. At least, not by historic EL standards. Still, incredibly stupid for all the reasons mentioned here.

It occurred to me yesterday, while looking at these pics and vid, that a couple of these morans could be the kids of the idiots who rioted in ‘99, ‘00, etc.

I'm fine with calling it a riot. Downplaying it just feeds into that whole privilege thing.

If underprivileged people flipped a car and burned some couches i wouldn’t call it a riot either. Seems subjective.

[Robert J Sakimano]

I'm fine with calling it a riot. Downplaying it just feeds into that whole privilege thing.

If underprivileged people flipped a car and burned some couches i wouldn’t call it a riot either. Seems subjective.

it was a fracas.. mayhem.. bedlam.. a hullaballoo!

[The Pantry]

Nut jobs blaming society for their failures

[Cameron]

seems like the word "riot" doesn't really fit here

Yep, not a riot. At least, not by historic EL standards. Still, incredibly stupid for all the reasons mentioned here.

It occurred to me yesterday, while looking at these pics and vid, that a couple of these morans could be the kids of the idiots who rioted in ‘99, ‘00, etc.

Hell, they could have been conceived during those riots.

[Probably CF]

Am I alone in not giving a shit about this anymore? Yeah I think people who mess with other peoples’ personal property should face harsh repercussions but if some drunk fucks wanna roast a couch in Cedar Village I saw more power to them.

[Other Teams Pursuing That]

Am I alone in not giving a shit about this anymore? Yeah I think people who mess with other peoples’ personal property should face harsh repercussions but if some drunk fucks wanna roast a couch in Cedar Village I saw more power to them.

Sign me up, CF.

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Feel bad for the kids just sitting on the couch. No evidence they started the fire and I though it was funny.

[NigelUno]

Group text on Saturday night. Pretty much all MSU fans except the UM sister in law. She links the mlive story. I respond with…

Scoreboard

UM Sister in law has left the chat.

[AvgMSUJoe]

You know how many times I uttered the phrase: "Never liked them hangin' around at Christmas anyway..."????

More than once.

[Probably CF]

Group text on Saturday night. Pretty much all MSU fans except the UM sister in law. She links the mlive story. I respond with…

Scoreboard

UM Sister in law has left the chat.

Even their insults are stuck in the past.

[Rocinante]

After seeing January 6, it’s hard for me to call some idiots getting stupidly carried away with partying a “riot”. I’m not trying to bring politics into this, but this just doesn’t bother me like it did what I was a kid at state and the Duke game happened. And had I known then what I know now, that probably wouldn’t have bothered me as much either.

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