Why Does The Left Ignore Black Violent Crime

Against the backdrop of "white supremacy," "whiteness," and "white fragility" of all the public sector and leftist institutions... why is it leftists get thrown in a tizzy when you acknowledge the statistical reality that an ethnic group that makes up 13% of the population is responsible for over 50% of all homicides?

Why is it leftists get thrown in a tizzy when you acknowledge the statistical reality that black on white violent crime is 9 to 1 that of white on black violent crime.... with Hispanics being lumped in the "white" category.

Why is it leftists get thrown in a tizzy when you simply point to the data showing black communities are far less safe today and far less tight-knit with decades of exclusive Democrat control over their communities and a homogenous voting pattern amongst the community for Democrats, 9 to 1, than they were during Jim Crow?

Why is it the left can't accept the reality that 75% of all mass shootings are committed by black males, which account for 6% of the population?

Why is it leftists throw a fit when you present the data showing that the percentage of black population is a better indicator of violent crime than poverty is by a factor of 2?

And most importantly, why can't leftists acknowledge reality so that maybe we can roll back abject failure and begin to foster an environment to return these communities to their former glory they had before the white progressives showed up to "help" and left the community holding the bag when progressive policies fostered an environment of dependence on the public sector for basic needs that didn't exist before and only return when they're looking for votes so they can remain in power?

Please Stop Helping Us - Jason L. Riley

Why are you a racist

aualum06 wrote:Why are you a racist

Thanks for immediately proving my point. Let me know when you're ready for rationalism as opposed to emotionalism.

Responding emotionally to basic reality is an overly feminine trait.

Mr. Riley is the author of four books: Let Them In: The Case for Open Borders (2008); Please Stop Helping Us: How Liberals Make It Harder for Blacks to Succeed (2014); False Black Power? (2017); and the forthcoming Maverick: A Biography of Thomas Sowell (May 2021).

Do your book report on that one next, please.

Jason is a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute ...

Having done some research on the publicans by other people associated with the Manhattan Institute. which is a "sketchy" think tank which has had to change its name at least once due to the former name becoming known for publishing lies, and which was and still may be mostly funded by Koch, it is highly questionable that Jason is an honest scholar.

An Attack on Jason's Ideas

Because fake black folks along white folks on FoxNews and right wing talking heads only bring it up at election time when the GOP is promoting candidates like Herschel Walker, John Gibbs and Kristina Karmano.

I’m confused. What is there to ignore? Are the suburb still under attack?

The fake black man must be worried about real black people living in the suburbs.

Crime rates are spiking in rural red areas, dropping in urban areas... all while near historic lows compared to the 1990s.
why don't internet trolls care about that?

Jacques, I think you're getting your answer.

Leftists prefer feeling good over doing good.

RQA wrote:Jacques, I think you're getting your answer.

Leftists prefer feeling good over doing good.

Crime rates are spiking in rural red areas, dropping in urban areas... all while near historic lows compared to the 1990s.
why don't internet trolls care about that?

Guns. That’s all you really need to know.

Maybe there are reasons why certain populations have higher rates of things. Maybe

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Jacques D'Gatineaux wrote:Against the backdrop of "white supremacy," "whiteness," and "white fragility" of all the public sector and leftist institutions... why is it leftists get thrown in a tizzy when you acknowledge the statistical reality that an ethnic group that makes up 13% of the population is responsible for over 50% of all homicides?

We rate this claim Partly True (outdated data)

This claim matches several decades of data up to 2019, before the largest single year increase in violent crime in over a century occurred in 2020. Demographic data does indicate African Americans make up approximately 13% of Americans. But FBI Uniform Crime Report data released the first week of October 2022 shows the proportion of known homicide offenders being African American is now at 60.4%

Federal Bureau of Investigation Crime Data Explorer

However, the data remains incomplete due to some jurisdictions choosing not to participate this year, leading to some claims of politically motivated data manipulation by omission. Most notably, New York City and Los Angeles, which have historically seen homicide and violent crime rates committed by African Americans at far higher rates than the national average. It's posited that these numbers would be higher with more data, considering the demographic makeup of the cities that have decided not to participate, historical demographic violent crime data of those cities that chose not to participate and the preliminary quarterly data those cities have released previously this year.

New FBI national crime data released with glaring holes in major cities — including NYC

Jacques D'Gatineaux wrote:Why is it leftists get thrown in a tizzy when you acknowledge the statistical reality that black on white violent crime is 9 to 1 that of white on black violent crime.

We rate the as Mostly True

There are two sets of data that can be found on this claim. One is from 2018 and shows the disparity between black on white violent crimes committed and white on black violent crimes committed. The other is a culmination of years from 2012-2015.



https://bjs.ojp.gov/redirect-legacy/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf
https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/rhovo1215.pdf

Jacques D'Gatineaux wrote:Why is it leftists get thrown in a tizzy when you simply point to the data showing black communities are far less safe today and far less tight-knit with decades of exclusive Democrat control over their communities and a homogenous voting pattern amongst the community for Democrats, 9 to 1, than they were during Jim Crow?

We rate this claim Mostly True

Violent crime rates in the post Civil War era were lower prior to the 1960's (omitting the period of alcohol prohibition during the 1920's) but what was also much lower was the offending rate of African Americans. In 1930, around 26% of the prison population was African American. In 2010, African Americans made up over 50% of the prison population. This increase in proportion is relative to the rise of aggregate violent crime from 1960 onward, so while the proportion of white prisoners has declined due to an influx of African American representation in violent crime, white violent crime rates per 100k have remained relatively steady.


Race, Segregation, and Incarceration in the States, 1920-2010

Jacques D'Gatineaux wrote:Why is it the left can't accept the reality that 75% of all mass shootings are committed by black males, which account for 6% of the population?

We rate this claim Inconclusive

This depends on what definition of "mass shooting" is being used. The Mother Jones database has historically used the FBI definition of mass shooting, which is "four or more victims killed in an indiscriminate public rampage." Using the official definition there have been 134 mass shootings since 1982, or 3.32 mass shootings per year. Of those 134 instances, 71 were committed by whites, 22 were committed by African Americans.
Mother Jones Mass Shootings Database

Of course, that creates a paradox because popularly in the press, claims of Vox - In 2015, 468 people died from mass shootings and Washington Post - There have been over 300 mass shootings so far in 2022.
By those standards from corporate press outlets, an NYT study concluded that almost 75% of mass shootings are committed by African Americans.

Either we do have an out of control epidemic of mass shootings and 75% of those are committed by African Americans, or we average only 3.32 mass shootings occur per year with whites being (59.3%% of the population as of today, 85.5% in 1982) making up slightly more than half the mass shootings in the US. This claim is left to the individual to determine which one of only two possibilities they want to accept. You can't have both.

Jacques D'Gatineaux wrote:Why is it leftists throw a fit when you present the data showing that the percentage of black population is a better indicator of violent crime than poverty is by a factor of 2?

We rate this claim True

Comparing single-variable correlations with homicide rate in 34 small, mid-size, & large US Cities, prior to impact of G.Floyd/Covid.

% African American population of city is BY FAR the greatest predictive homicide variable, >2x more predictive than Poverty Rate (R-squared of 0.690 vs 0.311)







Murder rates represent avg of 2018-2019 to smooth the data; pop/demographic data is all 2019.

Note: this is prior to nationwide crime explosion that occurred mid-2020 and thereafter. With the data released last week by the FBI and articulated above, we can safely assume this data is even more pronounced since 2019.



So how do other races stack up in correlation?

% White= very minimal downward correlation (0.07)

Interestingly, % Hispanic=moderate (0.30) *negative* correlation with murder rate. Heavily Latino cities equals fewer African Americans. And the African American murder rate is simply that much higher than any other race.

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AvgMSUJoe wrote:

RQA wrote:Jacques, I think you're getting your answer.

Leftists prefer feeling good over doing good.

Crime rates are spiking in rural red areas, dropping in urban areas... all while near historic lows compared to the 1990s.
why don't internet trolls care about that?

We rate this claim Pants On Fire False

City Journal wrote:From 2018 through 2020, the NCVS found that the violent-crime rate in urban areas was between 29 percent and 42 percent higher than the rate in rural areas. In 2021, however, the violent-crime rate in urban areas was 121 percent higher, more than doubling the rate in rural areas (24.5 victimizations in urban areas, versus 11.1 in rural areas, per 1,000 persons). In addition, the violent-crime rate in urban areas was 48 percent higher in 2021 than in suburban areas, more than tripling any difference in urban and suburban rates registered from 2018 to 2020. The property-crime rate in urban areas was nearly twice as high in 2021 as in suburban areas (157.5 to 86.8 victimizations per 1,000 households) and nearly three times as high as in rural areas (157.5 to 57.7 victimizations per 1,000 households).

City Journal: Yes, Violent Crime Is Skyrocketing In Urban Areas

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Maybe there are reasons why certain populations have higher rates of things. Maybe

There most certainly are. And it'd be great to discuss those reasons but as you can see, first we have to get people to actually acknowledge reality before we can move onto why that reality is the way it is.

What reasons didn't exist in 1940 that had lower offender rates for black Americans and lower overall violent crime rates but existed after the 1960's that lead to such a racial disparity in violent crime rates?

Trapper Gus wrote:Jason is a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute ...

Having done some research on the publicans by other people associated with the Manhattan Institute. which is a "sketchy" think tank which has had to change its name at least once due to the former name becoming known for publishing lies, and which was and still may be mostly funded by Koch, it is highly questionable that Jason is an honest scholar.

An Attack on Jason's Ideas

Can you quote the pertinent part of your article? Reading through it I'm not seeing the author actually address any of the data analysis Jason L. Riley presents in his book that leads him to draw the conclusions himself and scholars like Dr. Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams or Germinal Van all come to.

PennSpartan wrote:Guns.  That’s all you really need to know.  

In 1993, at the peak of high American violent crime rates, the ATF states there were 192 million guns in circulation. By 2019, the violent crime rate was half of what it was in 1993, but the ATF states there were 423 million firearms in circulation.

Please address this contradiction.

GRR Spartan wrote:The fake black man must be worried about real black people living in the suburbs.

Please see the violence prediction disparity rate between poverty and race in the official tSwill Fact Checking post above.

Cameron wrote:

Mr. Riley is the author of four books: Let Them In: The Case for Open Borders (2008); Please Stop Helping Us: How Liberals Make It Harder for Blacks to Succeed (2014); False Black Power? (2017); and the forthcoming Maverick: A Biography of Thomas Sowell (May 2021).

Do your book report on that one next, please.

It's a great book. Have you read it? I'd love to discuss it.

Do you believe human beings have the natural right to move freely despite imaginary and arbitrary geographical boundries? In contrast, do you believe people should be forced to fund another's life journey by way of extortion?

kingstonlake wrote:I’m confused. What is there to ignore? Are the suburb still under attack?

The reason why America has the "highest violent crime rates" in the "developed world."

And we know what liberals mean when they say the "developed world."

aualum06 wrote:Why are you a racist

Data is racist, apparently.

GRR Spartan wrote:Because fake black folks along white folks on FoxNews and right wing talking heads only bring it up at election time when the GOP is promoting candidates like Herschel Walker, John Gibbs and Kristina Karmano.

I can see you and Joe Biden have a lot in common on how you view black people that disagree with your world view.

Without checking the voracity of your fact check because fuck I don’t have the time in my hands that you apparently do, Acknowledging reality requires more than looking at one set of data out of context. It’s like saying black men are more likely to die of heart disease than white men and then concluding that black men have weaker hearts than white men from that data. What are the differences in diet, what about other compounding factors like poverty, environmental, and living conditions? What kinds of housing, political, and economic policies in the past may have affected the ability of some people to rise out of poverty? To just be like “crime is high in black neighborhoods.” As if it’s self explanatory is why it comes across as racist. Climb down off your high horse bitch. We’re all Americans. It’s more likely than not that most black people in this country have deeper roots here than you do. We don’t solve problems by pointing fingers.

Rocinante wrote:Without checking the voracity of your fact check because fuck I don’t have the time in my hands that you apparently do, Acknowledging reality requires more than looking at one set of data out of context. It’s like saying black men are more likely to die of heart disease than white men and then concluding that black men have weaker hearts than white men from that data. What are the differences in diet, what about other compounding factors like poverty, environmental, and living conditions? What kinds of housing, political, and economic policies in the past may have affected the ability of some people to rise out of poverty? To just be like “crime is high in black neighborhoods.” As if it’s self explanatory is why it comes across as racist. Climb down off your high horse bitch. We’re all Americans. It’s more likely than not that most black people in this country have deeper roots here than you do. We don’t solve problems by pointing fingers.

Some old white guys want our society to go back to the 1950s, especially in terms of race, gender and sexuality. They've felt empowered over the past six or seven years, but eventually they'll fade back into the shadows.

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I can see you and Joe Biden have a lot in common on how you view black people that disagree with your world view.[/quote]


Looks like the Russian Quisling Agent has a new screen name.

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Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Maybe there are reasons why certain populations have higher rates of things. Maybe

There most certainly are. And it'd be great to discuss those reasons but as you can see, first we have to get people to actually acknowledge reality before we can move onto why that reality is the way it is.

What reasons didn't exist in 1940 that had lower offender rates for black Americans and lower overall violent crime rates but existed after the 1960's that lead to such a racial disparity in violent crime rates?

Desegregation of the military, schools and public bathrooms?  The Civil Rights Act?

That's what you're arguing to put an end to?

I would think that the fact that the reporting of crime wasn't being done with anywhere near the same level of completeness might be involved, too.