Introducing Project 2025

Inside the Next Republican Revolution: Whether Trump wins or not, the GOP plans a renewed assault on his nemesis, the “deep state.” Can conservatives train enough loyalists to actually get the job done?

They want to overturn what began as Woodrow Wilson’s creation of a federal administrative elite and later grew into a vast, unaccountable and mostly liberal bureaucracy (as conservatives view it) under Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal and Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society, numbering about two and a quarter million federal workers today. They aim to defund the Department of Justice, dismantle the FBI, break up the Department of Homeland Security and eliminate the Departments of Education and Commerce, to name just a few of their larger targets. They want to give the president complete power over quasi-independent agencies such as the Federal Communications Commission, which makes and enforces rules for television and internet companies that have been the bane of Trump’s political existence in the last few years.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/09/19/project-2025-trump-reagan-00115811

Instead of the federal administrative system the Conservatives want to replace the Constitution with one which supports a "Caeser".  It is hard to fathom that any serious lover of Liberty would wish to destroy the rule of law for a new King, but apparently our conservative friends have some very powerful delusions about the nature of man.

“Thirty years ago,” Damon Linker told The Guardian, “if I told you that a bunch of billionaires and intellectuals on the right are waiting in the wings to impose a dictatorship on the United States, you would have said that I was insane.”

Guardian Article wrote:In June, the rightwing academic Kevin Slack published a book-length polemic claiming that ideas that had emerged from what he called the radical left were now so dominant that the US republic its founders envisioned was effectively at an end.

Slack, a politics professor at the conservative Hillsdale College in Michigan, made conspiratorial and extreme arguments now common on the antidemocratic right, that “transgenderism, anti-white racism, censorship, cronyism … are now the policies of an entire cosmopolitan class that includes much of the entrenched bureaucracy, the military, the media, and government-sponsored corporations”.

In a discussion of possible responses to this conspiracy theory, he wrote that the “New Right now often discusses a Red Caesar, by which it means a leader whose post-Constitutional rule will restore the strength of his people”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/01/red-caesar-authoritarianism-republicans-extreme-right

Thom Hartman's Riffs on This

FWIW there has been reporting on this project for decades now, but it never gains much MSM traction, perhaps the most it has gained is Jane Myer in The New Yorker.  It looks like there are significant Republican voters who have been brainwashed into this thinking, which I believe is due to allowing broadcast media to broadcast strict propaganda via the elimination of the "broadcast fairness rules".

TL; DR

kingstonlake wrote:TL; DR

Thats exactly what they’re counting on.

DWags wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:TL; DR

Thats exactly what they’re counting on.

I read the first post.

I've been seeing a lot more attention paid to this "Project 2025" in recent weeks, but it's still not enough.

Project 2025, if allowed, will cement America as a rightwing authoritarian state

Dems need to be talking loudly about this every hour of every day.

it also explains why the one republican/libertarian in the other thread thinks that US courts and court decisions don't apply if they don't advance his/her agenda.

I suspect that is their overarching belief on every judicial act, court decision, law enforcement issue, etc., that gets between them and their racist, bigoted christian hero and their disdain and disgust for traditional American values and the Constitution.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:it also explains why the one republican/libertarian in the other thread thinks that US courts and court decisions don't apply if they don't advance his/her agenda.

I suspect that is their overarching belief on every judicial act, court decision, law enforcement issue, etc., that gets between them and their racist, bigoted christian hero and their disdain and disgust for traditional American values and the Constitution.

I am forming the opinion that any group that believes in an all powerful God is subseptable to a believe in a government based on a dictator or monarch.

For a long time in this country the people were able to separate the idea of self governance by the rule of men from their beliefs in God. No longer.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:it also explains why the one republican/libertarian in the other thread thinks that US courts and court decisions don't apply if they don't advance his/her agenda.

I suspect that is their overarching belief on every judicial act, court decision, law enforcement issue, etc., that gets between them and their racist, bigoted christian hero and their disdain and disgust for traditional American values and the Constitution.

I am forming the opinion that any group that believes in an all powerful God is subseptable to a believe in a government based on a dictator or monarch.

For a long time in this country the people were able to separate the idea of self governance by the rule of men from their beliefs in God.  No longer.

the "glass is half full" part of me likes to think that this is a loud minority, whose voice is amplified by their friends in the mainstream media.

Then you see someone here who seems like a decent enough person literally claim that court decisions that have been litigated and bound by the constraints of the Constitution of the United States of America and rooted in decades and decades of legal precedent, "aren't really proof of anything".

It is mind-boggling where we are as a country.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

I am forming the opinion that any group that believes in an all powerful God is subseptable to a believe in a government based on a dictator or monarch.

For a long time in this country the people were able to separate the idea of self governance by the rule of men from their beliefs in God.  No longer.

the "glass is half full" part of me likes to think that this is a loud minority, whose voice is amplified by their friends in the mainstream media.

Then you see someone here who seems like a decent enough person literally claim that court decisions that have been litigated and bound by the constraints of the Constitution of the United States of America and rooted in decades and decades of legal precedent, "aren't really proof of anything".

It is mind-boggling where we are as a country.

Just like you I seldom are smart enought to find the next bottle of wine, but I'm pretty sure that there has to be some evidence presented in a trial that the jury makes up its "mind" on.  I think I remember that she told some of her friends about it when it happened and that was presented.

Maybe Trump blowing off appearing at the trial or his rambling answers or taking the 5th, which the jury was instructed might be considered an admission of guilt, made the difference, but still.

He was more than 50% guilty in the juries mind and sometimes that is the best judgment that can be made.

To try to retry every trial outcome because you like the defendant is kinda stepping back from the "the rule of law" which is the bedrock of how we are governed.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
the "glass is half full" part of me likes to think that this is a loud minority, whose voice is amplified by their friends in the mainstream media.

Then you see someone here who seems like a decent enough person literally claim that court decisions that have been litigated and bound by the constraints of the Constitution of the United States of America and rooted in decades and decades of legal precedent, "aren't really proof of anything".

It is mind-boggling where we are as a country.

Just like you I seldom are smart enought to find the next bottle of wine, but I'm pretty sure that there has to be some evidence presented in a trial that the jury makes up its "mind" on.  I think I remember that she told some of her friends about it when it happened and that was presented.

Maybe Trump blowing off appearing at the trial or his rambling answers or taking the 5th, which the jury was instructed might be considered an admission of guilt, made the difference, but still.

He was more than 50% guilty in the juries mind and sometimes that is the best judgment that can be made.

To try to retry every trial outcome because you like the defendant is kinda stepping back from the "the rule of law" which is the bedrock of how we are governed.

America is a stupid country and we get everything we deserve.

Unfortunately.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Just like you I seldom are smart enought to find the next bottle of wine, but I'm pretty sure that there has to be some evidence presented in a trial that the jury makes up its "mind" on.  I think I remember that she told some of her friends about it when it happened and that was presented.

Maybe Trump blowing off appearing at the trial or his rambling answers or taking the 5th, which the jury was instructed might be considered an admission of guilt, made the difference, but still.

He was more than 50% guilty in the juries mind and sometimes that is the best judgment that can be made.

To try to retry every trial outcome because you like the defendant is kinda stepping back from the "the rule of law" which is the bedrock of how we are governed.

America is a stupid country and we get everything we deserve.

Unfortunately.

Sure, but that isn't always a bad thing. Sometimes we do something good.

“Scoping out a strong Christian nationalism”

Wake the fuck up America. Ah, forget it. We’re fucked. Just so we’re clear, this Christian nationalism is indeed based on hate not love.

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An American Family where the male pig beats the female & children, where the 13-year-old daughter becomes pregnant and can't get an abortion, where the females are barefoot & pregnant all the time, until they die in childbirth and where being gay is no longer legal isn't going to have a stronger foundation.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Just like you I seldom are smart enought to find the next bottle of wine, but I'm pretty sure that there has to be some evidence presented in a trial that the jury makes up its "mind" on.  I think I remember that she told some of her friends about it when it happened and that was presented.

Maybe Trump blowing off appearing at the trial or his rambling answers or taking the 5th, which the jury was instructed might be considered an admission of guilt, made the difference, but still.

He was more than 50% guilty in the juries mind and sometimes that is the best judgment that can be made.

To try to retry every trial outcome because you like the defendant is kinda stepping back from the "the rule of law" which is the bedrock of how we are governed.

America is a stupid country and we get everything we deserve.

Unfortunately.

Bob, we are a country which has been coasting on it's past strengths while evil people are working to destroy them.

I believe that if an average American knew what the 2025 Project intends to do they would be horrified.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/6/19/2246322/-Trump-has-a-plan-to-destroy-democracy-Why-haven-t-people-heard-of-it?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=top_news_slot_2&pm_medium=web

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Oliver gets to Project 2025 about 5:30 in. Plenty of lolz before the scary stuff.

I have to tell ya, at least the republicans/libertarians are saying all of this out loud.

Their amplification of their unabashed intentions is a pro-Democrat campaign ad for anyone who loves traditional American values, the Constitution, and our families.

They are trying to attract every religious zealot to vote, so they are hitting this hard.

Trapper Gus wrote:They are trying to attract every religious zealot to vote, so they are hitting this hard.

I'm actually okay with it.

For every republican/libertarian who believes that christian nationalism is the way forward, I'd be willing to bet that there are 3-4 decent Americans who have respect for the Constitution and traditional American values who need this to a light a fire under them this November.

Not saying I agree with all of it or even most of it, but if the Depts of Commerce and Education were shut down today, how long before anyone would notice? What do they even do anyway?

Zurn wrote:Not saying I agree with all of it or even most of it, but if the Depts of Commerce and Education were shut down today, how long before anyone would notice? What do they even do anyway?

If you have to ask, and BTW do you know how to do basic internet research, then you don't need to know.

Zurn wrote:Not saying I agree with all of it or even most of it, but if the Depts of Commerce and Education were shut down today, how long before anyone would notice? What do they even do anyway?

I'll be honest, I don't know a lot about much of anything, but that doesn't mean that the stuff I don't know about needs to be done away with. My guess is that republicans/libertarians find these departments a threat to the promotion of their christian nationalist agenda.

which means that they are very necessary.

I'm sure the Democrats have a similar playbook, but they're smart enough to hide it better.

If they don't, they're dumber than I thought.

TravelinMan wrote:I'm sure the Democrats have a similar playbook, but they're smart enough to hide it better.

If they don't, they're dumber than I thought.

Really don't know which post you are referencing.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:I'm sure the Democrats have a similar playbook, but they're smart enough to hide it better.

If they don't, they're dumber than I thought.

Really don't know which post you are referencing.

Referencing the title of this thread.

No the Democratic Party is not planning on changing the government structure from a apolitical civil service that is designed to provide service to all The People to a police state intent on oppressing all The People except the Chosen Few.

Trapper Gus wrote:No the Democratic Party is not planning on changing the government structure from a apolitical civil service that is designed to provide service to all The People to a police state intent on oppressing all The People except the Chosen Few.

you mean the Democrats aren't threatening to shut down entire government agencies, replace career federal employees with religious/political sycophants, deport millions of people and install christian nationalism/fascism?

republicans/libertarians will convince themselves of anything if it makes them feel more comfortable about their own pathetic life.



"first they fascinate the fools, then they muzzle the intelligent".

- Bertrand Russell when asked about fascism.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I'll be honest, I don't know a lot about much of anything, but that doesn't mean that the stuff I don't know about needs to be done away with.

Just because something exists doesn't mean it's always good that they continue on. But I guess that's how it works in government.

Zurn wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I'll be honest, I don't know a lot about much of anything, but that doesn't mean that the stuff I don't know about needs to be done away with.  

Just because something exists doesn't mean it's always good that they continue on.   But I guess that's how it works in government.  

it's how things work in life, dude.

I don't understand why people go to church or why churches even exist, but I don't advocate shutting them down.. I don't understand why people eat processed cheez, but it's their right to do it and I don't advocate shutting down the processed cheez factory.

freedom is weird like that.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

I don't understand why people go to church or why churches even exist, but I don't advocate shutting them down.. I don't understand why people eat processed cheez, but it's their right to do it and I don't advocate shutting down the processed cheez factory.

freedom is weird like that.

Whether the Department of Commerce has outlived it's usefulness is a bit of a different question then the appeal of Velveeta.

https://www.commerce.gov/

The Department of Commerce’s mission is to create the conditions for economic growth and opportunity for all communities.

The Department of Commerce’s mission is to create the conditions for economic growth and opportunity for all communities. Through its 13 bureaus, the Department works to drive U.S. economic competitiveness, strengthen domestic industry, and spur the growth of quality jobs in all communities across the country. The Department serves as the voice of business in the Federal Government, and at the same time, the Department touches and serves every American every day.

Lack of industrial policy, until Biden, is why China is eating our lunch on new tech.  Really not a good idea to get rid of commerce.


https://www.ed.gov/

ED was created in 1980 by combining offices from several federal agencies. ED's 4,400 employees and $68 billion budget are dedicated to:

Establishing policies on federal financial aid for education, and distributing as well as monitoring those funds.
Collecting data on America's schools and disseminating research.
Focusing national attention on key educational issues.
Prohibiting discrimination and ensuring equal access to education.

These programs would just become parts of other departments, so what is the point?

Zurn wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

I don't understand why people go to church or why churches even exist, but I don't advocate shutting them down.. I don't understand why people eat processed cheez, but it's their right to do it and I don't advocate shutting down the processed cheez factory.

freedom is weird like that.

Whether the Department of Commerce has outlived it's usefulness is a bit of a different question then the appeal of Velveeta.

depends on who you ask, I suspect.

republicans/libertarians want to get rid of the Department of Commerce.... I suspect cardiologists and nutritionists would like to get rid of processed cheez.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Zurn wrote:

Whether the Department of Commerce has outlived it's usefulness is a bit of a different question then the appeal of Velveeta.

depends on who you ask, I suspect.

republicans/libertarians want to get rid of the Department of Commerce.... I suspect cardiologists and nutritionists would like to get rid of processed cheez.

Don't think R/L's are anti commerce, could just be Zurn.

Trapper Gus wrote:No the Democratic Party is not planning on changing the government structure from a apolitical civil service that is designed to provide service to all The People to a police state intent on oppressing all The People except the Chosen Few.

But I'm sure they have a playbook to enact their agendas.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:No the Democratic Party is not planning on changing the government structure from a apolitica l civil service that is designed to provide service to all The People to a police state intent on oppressing all The People except the Chosen Few.

But I'm sure they have a playbook to enact their agendas.  

You do see the difference in have an agenda to destroy most of the US government and return the colonies to King George verses having a rational Industral policy and maintaining the betterment of The People as more than just a agenda difference I would think.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

But I'm sure they have a playbook to enact their agendas.  

You do see the difference in have an agenda to destroy most of the US government and return the colonies to King George verses having a rational Industral policy and maintaining the betterment of The People as more than just a agenda difference I would think.

Project 2025 is a playbook to enact policies. You may not like the policies - I certainly don't like some of them - but that's what it is. Some of ya'll say it like it's a mythical boogeyman out to destroy the universe.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

You do see the difference in have an agenda to destroy most of the US government and return the colonies to King George verses having a rational Industral policy and maintaining the betterment of The People as more than just a agenda difference I would think.

Project 2025 is a playbook to enact policies. You may not like the policies - I certainly don't like some of them - but that's what it is. Some of ya'll say it like it's a mythical boogeyman out to destroy the universe.

I don't think you know what is in the 2025 Project, but one of the things in it is to eliminate all but white male Christians from voting, which is how it will maintain the power of the Billionaires. Totally changing the structures of the government is far more than a "policy" change to most people who don't have their head is a dark place.

Zurn wrote:Not saying I agree with all of it or even most of it, but if the Depts of Commerce and Education were shut down today, how long before anyone would notice? What do they even do anyway?

I see your point with education since most of our education system is run at the local level. I suspect larger projects and funding would come to a halt but schools would still keep running.

Dept of commerce though? Do you even know what they do? Admittedly I am not fully up on what they do but commerce folks historically have been very powerful. That one seems like a reach

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Zurn wrote:

Whether the Department of Commerce has outlived it's usefulness is a bit of a different question then the appeal of Velveeta.

depends on who you ask, I suspect.

republicans/libertarians want to get rid of the Department of Commerce.... I suspect cardiologists and nutritionists would like to get rid of processed cheez.

Wrong, without that cheese, they get paid less

Trapper Gus wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: depends on who you ask, I suspect.

republicans/libertarians want to get rid of the Department of Commerce.... I suspect cardiologists and nutritionists would like to get rid of processed cheez.

Don't think R/L's are anti commerce, could just be Zurn.

republicans/libertarians and their candidate are on record supporting Project 2025.

I'm just working with the information I've been given.