Religious identification vs. active shooter situations

by **The Pantry** 12/28/2023, 4:24 pm

US non-spiritual identification increased over 80% 2007 to 2021. Active shooter situations increased over 400% in the same time frame.

Correlation?

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by **kingstonlake** 12/28/2023, 7:02 pm

It’s definitely a good sign that we’re evolving on the spiritual affiliation side. Now if we could do the same on gun laws……

by AvgMSUJoe 12/28/2023, 7:09 pm

So Pantry, of the mass shootings last year, how many of the shooters associate themselves as "Christian"?

I'd venture to guess the majority.

Your argument proves no correlation.

by AvgMSUJoe 12/28/2023, 7:13 pm

by AvgMSUJoe 12/28/2023, 7:13 pm

There is probably more of a correlation of shooters with the rise of maga... Since it is about the same time frame.

by AvgMSUJoe 12/28/2023, 7:25 pm

Or another correlation, the reduction of people identifying as religious equates with the assholes identifying as magas driving them out of religion.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 12/28/2023, 7:31 pm

And in 1537 there was lots and lots of religion but no shootings at all. No way that’s a coincidence amirite?

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 12/28/2023, 7:35 pm

Anyway here’s an almost certainly totally unrelated random set of numbers that don’t mean anything please do not pay attention to them and make your donation to the church in the basket thank you

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by **The Pantry** 12/28/2023, 7:57 pm

Expected those sort of responses from team atheist.

@kingston There are already a lot of gun laws. More get added every year.

Gun suicide is higher than gun homocide.

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Both numbers way up over the last 55 years, as religion/spirituality have fallen.

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by **The Pantry** 12/28/2023, 7:59 pm

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Anyway here’s an almost certainly totally unrelated random set of numbers that don’t mean anything please do not pay attention to them and make your donation to the church in the basket thank you

Probably not a lot of suicides via AR-15 or similar.

by sεяεηιτλ 12/28/2023, 8:21 pm

The Pantry wrote:US non-spiritual identification increased over 80% 2007 to 2021. Active shooter situations increased over 400% in the same time frame.

Correlation?

sure, correlation definitely.

Causation? nope

Correlating something doesn't imply that there's an actual relationship.

by sεяεηιτλ 12/28/2023, 8:23 pm

AvgMSUJoe wrote:So Pantry, of the mass shootings last year, how many of the shooters associate themselves as "Christian"?

I'd venture to guess the majority.

Your argument proves no correlation.

it is obviously correlated. strongly so.

But that could be like looking at the temperature going up from March through July and putting it up against my bank account that is also rising during that time. Correlated, but not caused by it. No causation. It doesn't mean there's an actual relationship, it just means that both are going up at the same time, perhaps due to other factors.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 12/28/2023, 8:29 pm

The Pantry wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Anyway here’s an almost certainly totally unrelated random set of numbers that don’t mean anything please do not pay attention to them and make your donation to the church in the basket thank you

Probably not a lot of suicides via AR-15 or similar.

I know this might sound like such a lib thing to say but I don’t think suicide is good either

by AvgMSUJoe 12/28/2023, 8:37 pm

So, still no proof Pantry. Treat it like an economist, not a maga.

Also, if the only reason you don't kill yourself is due to your religion, you might need a professional. Your pastor/priest makes a bad decision, you have nothing...

by AvgMSUJoe 12/28/2023, 8:44 pm

How many mass shooting are in vastly non-religious countries?

by **kingstonlake** 12/28/2023, 9:13 pm

The Pantry wrote:Expected those sort of responses from team atheist.

@kingston There are already a lot of gun laws. More get added every year.

Gun suicide is higher than gun homocide.

Both numbers way up over the last 55 years, as religion/spirituality have fallen.

There are already a lot of cancer drugs.

by **Trapper Gus** 12/28/2023, 9:19 pm

The Pantry wrote:Expected those sort of responses from team atheist.

@kingston There are already a lot of gun laws. More get added every year.

Gun suicide is higher than gun homocide.

Both numbers way up over the last 55 years, as religion/spirituality have fallen.

The other thing that has happened since the 1970's is the RWNJ Republicians have gutted every gun law that they could gut and the number of guns has increased per capita so we have more guns than people.

Want to reduce suicide by gun? Outlaw hand guns.

Want to reduce mass murder by gun? Get ride of weapons of war guns.

This shit isn't that hard to understand.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 12/28/2023, 10:17 pm

Trapper Gus wrote:
The Pantry wrote:Expected those sort of responses from team atheist.

@kingston There are already a lot of gun laws. More get added every year.

Gun suicide is higher than gun homocide.

Both numbers way up over the last 55 years, as religion/spirituality have fallen.

The other thing that has happened since the 1970's is the RWNJ Republicians have gutted every gun law that they could gut and the number of guns has increased per capita so we have more guns than people.

Want to reduce suicide by gun? Outlaw hand guns.

Want to reduce mass murder by gun? Get ride of weapons of war guns.

This shit isn't that hard to understand.

But I like my guns they make me feel powerful in my otherwise generally powerless life and I’ve never committed a mass shooting. I’m too selfish to give something up for someone else, so I’m going to blame literally anything other than the gun so we don’t talk about that.

It’s okay to just speak the truth when talking about guns. You don’t want to give them up and you don’t care who dies so long as you keep your toy. That’s all it is.

by **DWags** 12/28/2023, 10:17 pm

In 1986 3 million guns were manufactured in our country. By 2021 we were making 13 million per year. Let’s stop pretending there is any other reason.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/215395/number-of-total-firearms-manufactured-in-the-us/

by AvgMSUJoe 12/28/2023, 10:24 pm

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

by **Turtleneck** 12/28/2023, 10:38 pm

I like this question and would be interested in seeing the results of a correlation test. We need more questions like this on tSwill. Let's create a data set and get to work. It's not like anybody here has anything else to do. We will have OTPT present our findings at various conferences under a pseudonym chosen by Bob. It will probably be something like Sob Bringsteen or Sob Beger.

by sεяεηιτλ 12/28/2023, 11:11 pm

Turtleneck wrote:I like this question and would be interested in seeing the results of a correlation test. We need more questions like this on tSwill. Let's create a data set and get to work. It's not like anybody here has anything else to do. We will have OTPT present our findings at various conferences under a pseudonym chosen by Bob. It will probably be something like Sob Bringsteen or Sob Beger.

correlation test will tell you nothing of consequence

by **Trapper Gus** 12/29/2023, 7:16 am

AvgMSUJoe wrote:There is probably more of a correlation of shooters with the rise of maga... Since it is about the same time frame.

Sure, looks like a big jump when Trump was elected.

by **Turtleneck** 12/29/2023, 10:39 am

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:I like this question and would be interested in seeing the results of a correlation test. We need more questions like this on tSwill. Let's create a data set and get to work. It's not like anybody here has anything else to do. We will have OTPT present our findings at various conferences under a pseudonym chosen by Bob. It will probably be something like Sob Bringsteen or Sob Beger.

correlation test will tell you nothing of consequence

It will tell us if there is a relationship and if the relationship is meaningful.

by **Motown Spartan** 12/29/2023, 11:04 am

Every day that Pantry posts is a day that Watch Out Pylon doesn’t post.

Correlation or causation?

by Zurn 12/29/2023, 2:25 pm

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Correlating something doesn't imply that there's an actual relationship.

It also doesn't imply that there isn't a relationship either.

by **Trapper Gus** 12/29/2023, 2:28 pm

Zurn wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Correlating something doesn't imply that there's an actual relationship.

It also doesn't imply that there isn't a relationship either.

Sure, however studies have shown that the more guns there are the more gun deaths & violence there is. We don't have to look for other causes.

by sεяεηιτλ 12/29/2023, 2:43 pm

Zurn wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Correlating something doesn't imply that there's an actual relationship.

It also doesn't imply that there isn't a relationship either.

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by Zurn 12/29/2023, 2:45 pm

Trapper Gus wrote:
Zurn wrote:

It also doesn't imply that there isn't a relationship either.

Sure, however studies have shown that the more guns there are the more gun deaths & violence there is. We don't have to look for other causes.

Actually gun ownership in the US has been on the decline over the past 50 years. Not by too much but gun ownership levels alone probably aren't the explanation of an increase in mass shootings in the US.

I think the OP's question is a good one. In a society where gun ownership has been stable to declining is the increase in mass shootings at least in part due to a decrease in religion in our society? I don't know the answer but it is a question worthy of study.

by sεяεηιτλ 12/29/2023, 2:48 pm

Turtleneck wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

correlation test will tell you nothing of consequence

It will tell us if there is a relationship and if the relationship is meaningful.

It won't tell you anything meaningfully. It will tell you if the data appears to be related, not that it actually is related. Basically if one goes up, the other goes up with it or down with it. It's occasionally useful information to add to a body of evidence but nobody is writing any strong scientific papers reporting how two data sets are related simply by reporting the results of a correlation test. Because correlation does not imply causation. They could be unrelated completely, they could both be directly related to another factor, or they could both be directly related. The only thing you do know from it is that You know nothing for certainty

by Zurn 12/29/2023, 2:49 pm

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Thinking about me while in the bathroom ... mmmm.....

by sεяεηιτλ 12/29/2023, 2:54 pm

Zurn wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Thinking about me while in the bathroom ... mmmm.....

Yup.

Imagine my surprise to see that your name is after urinal technology

Actually when you think about it, pretty unsurprising

by **Trapper Gus** 12/29/2023, 3:01 pm

Zurn wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

Sure, however studies have shown that the more guns there are the more gun deaths & violence there is. We don't have to look for other causes.

Actually gun ownership in the US has been on the decline over the past 50 years. Not by too much but gun ownership levels alone probably aren't the explanation of an increase in mass shootings in the US.

I think the OP's question is a good one. In a society where gun ownership has been stable to declining is the increase in mass shootings at least in part due to a decrease in religion in our society? I don't know the answer but it is a question worthy of study.

Maybe why I didn't use ownership, but number of guns.

Availability is more important than ownership per say, and we keep getting reports of mass murders being committed by people who have purchased their guns recently, clearly with a mass murder intent.

As for gun deaths, the number one type of death is suicide, and the number one person who commits suicide is a white middle-aged male, more likely to be in the rural bible belt.

by Zurn 12/29/2023, 3:05 pm

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
Zurn wrote:

Thinking about me while in the bathroom ... mmmm.....

Yup.

I generally don't think about about Swill posters while urinating but flattered to be residing in both of your heads.

by **Trapper Gus** 12/29/2023, 5:07 pm

Zurn wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Yup.

I generally don't think about about Swill posters while urinating but flattered to be residing in both of your heads.

This post is so 2010

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