WTF AP News?

A jury ruled that Trump sexually abused her, and the judge in the case said he raped her.

The sexual abuse is a proven fact, but we wouldn't know that via your headline.

it's almost like the mainstream media is softening a factual narrative in order to shamelessly promote their racist, bigoted christian sexual predator chosen one.

To be fair (and I know that is not your goal here) the findings of a court (especially a NY court) aren't really proof of anything.

Zurn wrote:To be fair (and I know that is not your goal here) the findings of a court (especially a NY court) aren't really proof of anything.

my god we are a stupid country and we get exactly what we deserve.

Zurn wrote:To be fair (and I know that is not your goal here) the findings of a court (especially a NY court) aren't really proof of anything.

This is the kind of representation Rex Heuermann needs.

"Yeah, new york says your guilty, but us good 'mericans in the heartland know those girls asked for it" -Zurn

republicans/libertarians via their mainstream media commitment: "courts aren't really proof of anything"

"oh really... cool. When can I go home?".

sincerely,

black people on death row.

(see how stupid this is? )

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

Zurn wrote:To be fair (and I know that is not your goal here) the findings of a court (especially a NY court) aren't really proof of anything.

This is the kind of representation Rex Heuermann needs.

"Yeah, new york says your guilty, but us good 'mericans in the heartland know those girls asked for it" -Zurn

A jury found OJ not guilty. Was that proof he didn't do it?

Robert J Sakimano wrote:republicans/libertarians via their mainstream media commitment: "courts aren't really proof of anything"

"oh really... cool. When can I go home?".

sincerely,

black people on death row.

(see how stupid this is? )

I think you just made my point, but hey, carry on.

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

Zurn wrote:To be fair (and I know that is not your goal here) the findings of a court (especially a NY court) aren't really proof of anything.

This is the kind of representation Rex Heuermann needs.

"Yeah, new york says your guilty, but us good 'mericans in the heartland know those girls asked for it" -Zurn

And the guy who says Musk doesn't pay taxes chimes in.

Zurn wrote:To be fair (and I know that is not your goal here) the findings of a court (especially a NY court) aren't really proof of anything.  

I think, to be fair, you need to extrapolate your evidence of his innocence here. I won’t blow off your opinion but to use the OJ case is a bit unfair.  (And by the way, we Stood by their verdict).  Yes we saw evidence in the oh case that made us skeptical, but our court system came to a conclusion and as much as many disagree, the verdict stood.

So, it would be great if you could extrapolate your reasons you think Trump is innocent.

Musk doesn't pay taxes

Elon Musk paid less than $70,000 in federal income taxes between 2015 and 2017, and he did not pay anything in 2018, according to recent reports.

https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/558352-elon-musk-explains-his-extremely-low-tax-rate/

Zurn wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:republicans/libertarians via their mainstream media commitment: "courts aren't really proof of anything"

"oh really... cool. When can I go home?".

sincerely,

black people on death row.

(see how stupid this is? )

I think you just made my point,  but hey, carry on.  

never knew that republicans/libertarians were in favor of shutting down prisons, letting everyone out and getting rid of the police, because, hey.. why arrest people, convict them if the "courts aren't really proof of anything".

my god, the lengths racist, bigoted christians will go to to prop up your racist, bigoted christian sexual predator hero. You're willing to get rid of the entire judicial system.    

DWags wrote:

Zurn wrote:To be fair (and I know that is not your goal here) the findings of a court (especially a NY court) aren't really proof of anything.  

I think, to be fair, you need to extrapolate your evidence of his innocence here. I won’t blow off your opinion but to use the OJ case is a bit unfair.  (And by the way, we Stood by their verdict).  Yes we saw evidence in the oh case that made us skeptical, but our court system came to a conclusion and as much as many disagree, the verdict stood.

So, it would be great if you could extrapolate your reasons you think Trump is innocent.

Hope this means you are feeling better Dwags.   And take the pain pills!

Anyway, I am not saying Trump is innocent.   I am just saying that a jury verdict isn't "proof".   Yes, we accept the verdict but given the number of wrong verdicts that come to light I don't think we should run around stating that a jury proved Trump sexually assaulted a woman.  

Like I said, I don't know if Trump is guilty or innocent.   But how would I feel about a woman claiming I raped her 20+ years ago only to learn she can't even remember the year it happened.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Musk doesn't pay taxes

Elon Musk paid less than $70,000 in federal income taxes between 2015 and 2017, and he did not pay anything in 2018, according to recent reports.

https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/558352-elon-musk-explains-his-extremely-low-tax-rate/

Musk paid the largest tax bill in IRS history (IIRC, about 11 billion dollars) in recent years, but go ahead, continue stating he doesn't pay enough taxes.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
never knew that republicans/libertarians were in favor of shutting down prisons, letting everyone out and getting rid of the police, because, hey.. why arrest people, convict them if the "courts aren't really proof of anything".

my god, the lengths racist, bigoted christians will go to to prop up your racist, bigoted christian sexual predator hero. You're willing to get rid of the entire judicial system.    

I don't know anyone, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, that is in favor of closing all prisons, letting everyone out, and getting rid of police. Do you?

All I am saying is that a jury verdict isn't "proof" of anything. It is a verdict, not proof.

Now don't you have some running to do or bluegrass to listen to?

Trapper Gus wrote:

A jury ruled that Trump sexually abused her, and the judge in the case said he raped her.

The sexual abuse is a proven fact, but we wouldn't know that via your headline.

Not to defend toilet technology guy Zurn, but she won her case and that statement could have been stronger, but I don't think the trial proved it.  He was found liable for it though.  Or so goes the story over how this is a civil trial, etc and what it proved.  possible I could be wrong but pretty sure I read an article after the ruling explaining the distinction. Maybe more MSM running interference for trump (it was CNN).

I would have went with "Civil trial winner E Jean Caroll over trump sex abuse...yadda yadda"

Zurn wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
never knew that republicans/libertarians were in favor of shutting down prisons, letting everyone out and getting rid of the police, because, hey.. why arrest people, convict them if the "courts aren't really proof of anything".

my god, the lengths racist, bigoted christians will go to to prop up your racist, bigoted christian sexual predator hero. You're willing to get rid of the entire judicial system.    

I don't know anyone, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, that is in favor of closing all prisons, letting everyone out, and getting rid of police.   Do you?  

All I am saying is that a jury verdict isn't "proof" of anything.   It is a verdict, not proof.  

Now don't you have some running to do or bluegrass to listen to?  

dude,  you're the one who said courts and jury verdicts "aren't really proof of anything".  

My goodness.

I'm old fashioned, I know.. but I find it mind-boggling that we live in a country where educated people (I'm assuming you're educated) just have such a blatant disregard for the judicial system, law enforcement,  the Constitution and simple social norms.

Oh well.. America is a stupid country.

Oh, ran for 45 minutes this morning, listening to Springsteen now and sippin' a Hamms.

Zurn wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
never knew that republicans/libertarians were in favor of shutting down prisons, letting everyone out and getting rid of the police, because, hey.. why arrest people, convict them if the "courts aren't really proof of anything".

my god, the lengths racist, bigoted christians will go to to prop up your racist, bigoted christian sexual predator hero. You're willing to get rid of the entire judicial system.    

I don't know anyone, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, that is in favor of closing all prisons, letting everyone out, and getting rid of police. Do you?

All I am saying is that a jury verdict isn't "proof" of anything. It is a verdict, not proof.

Now don't you have some running to do or bluegrass to listen to?

It's more proof than the headline implies. Jury agreed it was more likely that Trump raped her than he didn't. "Accused" says it is yet to be decided, which isn't the situation. In the case being agudicated in court the jury has been instructed that the "rape" is a given fact. This is all about if Trump's words damaged her further.

Anyway, I've spent decades saying the mainstream media is polluting the minds of our most vulnerable citizens and it's becoming more and more obvious.

They've taken the veil off, so I guess we can appreciate them for that.

Zurn wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:



https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/558352-elon-musk-explains-his-extremely-low-tax-rate/

Musk paid the largest tax bill in IRS history (IIRC, about 11 billion dollars) in recent years, but go ahead, continue stating he doesn't pay enough taxes.

You've mentioned that before, as though the richest man in the world and first to cross the $200,000,000,000 threshold SHOULDN'T pay the largest tax bill in history. You look dumber every time you do it.

Not the highest, maybe in the top ten...

https://stockanalysis.com/list/most-taxes-us/

Given that he is one of the wealthiest people on the plant that $11 Billion was probably a lower percentage of his (hidden) income than the 13% of income I paid for combined federal & state income taxes last year.

so when our republican/libertarian friends at tSwill suddenly decide that the American judicial system, legal precedent and the Constitution mean absolutely nothing, it's not surprising to see who they get their marching orders from.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) on Wednesday accused the federal government of breaking the compact with the states following a Supreme Court ruling on Monday that cleared the way for the Border Patrol to remove razor wire installed by Texas along the U.S.-Mexico border.

In a statement, Abbott said, “President Biden has refused to enforce [immigration] laws and has even violated them.”

not only is the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator not a rapist, despite a jury finding him guilty, their patriotic christian American heroes are now openly defying the United States Supreme Court.

Caution: Mainstream Media Link

It's funny how they pick and choose which SCOTUS rulings to adhere to lately from a bench that was stacked by, let me check, Republicans. The Dobbs decision is OK, but the border ruling isn't. Same 9 judges, right?

Floyd Robertson wrote:It's funny how they pick and choose which SCOTUS rulings to adhere to lately from a bench that was stacked by, let me check, Republicans. The Dobbs decision is OK, but the border ruling isn't. Same 9 judges, right?

yep - and you see how it trickles down to even their patriotic, christian 'boots on the ground' idealogues at silly message boards.

frightening stuff.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:so when our republican/libertarian friends at tSwill suddenly decide that the American judicial system, legal precedent and the Constitution mean absolutely nothing, it's not surprising to see who they get their marching orders from.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) on Wednesday accused the federal government of breaking the compact with the states following a Supreme Court ruling on Monday that cleared the way for the Border Patrol to remove razor wire installed by Texas along the U.S.-Mexico border.

In a statement, Abbott said, “President Biden has refused to enforce [immigration] laws and has even violated them.”

not only is the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator not a rapist, despite a jury finding him guilty, their patriotic christian American heroes are now openly defying the United States Supreme Court.

Caution: Mainstream Media Link

I've a feeling Texas is going to lose a boatload of federal funding soon.

Jake from State Farm wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:so when our republican/libertarian friends at tSwill suddenly decide that the American judicial system, legal precedent and the Constitution mean absolutely nothing, it's not surprising to see who they get their marching orders from.



not only is the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator not a rapist, despite a jury finding him guilty, their patriotic christian American heroes are now openly defying the United States Supreme Court.

Caution: Mainstream Media Link

I've a feeling Texas is going to lose a boatload of federal funding soon.

Of course they accept all the federal dollars while talking about leaving the union.

read that the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator whined and stomped his way out of his own trial's closing arguments this morning.  

maybe he's going to message boards to seek solace from libertarians/republicans who insist that the United States judicial system and jury verdicts aren't proof of anything.

Zurn wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
never knew that republicans/libertarians were in favor of shutting down prisons, letting everyone out and getting rid of the police, because, hey.. why arrest people, convict them if the "courts aren't really proof of anything".

my god, the lengths racist, bigoted christians will go to to prop up your racist, bigoted christian sexual predator hero. You're willing to get rid of the entire judicial system.    

I don't know anyone, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, that is in favor of closing all prisons, letting everyone out, and getting rid of police. Do you?

All I am saying is that a jury verdict isn't "proof" of anything. It is a verdict, not proof.

Now don't you have some running to do or bluegrass to listen to?

How do jury's get to that verdict? By playing candy land and drinking beer?

Floyd Robertson wrote:It's funny how they pick and choose which SCOTUS rulings to adhere to lately from a bench that was stacked by, let me check, Republicans. The Dobbs decision is OK, but the border ruling isn't. Same 9 judges, right?

Remember laws only apply to the outgroup we seek to control not ourselves. Sincerely law and order people for 30 plus years.

msugolfguy wrote:

Zurn wrote:

I don't know anyone, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, that is in favor of closing all prisons, letting everyone out, and getting rid of police. Do you?

All I am saying is that a jury verdict isn't "proof" of anything. It is a verdict, not proof.

Now don't you have some running to do or bluegrass to listen to?

How do jury's get to that verdict? By playing candy land and drinking beer?

First high card choses?

Good time to remind the christian republican/libertarians that their hero owes his rape victim 83 million dollars.

Regardless of what they think about the US judicial system and the Constitution.

https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-insurrection-trump-ballot-disqualification-5ba83d718b97150447acf15cee75c7a3

There is no part of the Constitution that is "obsure".  Every word is important.

Sometimes I think all the headline writers at AP are listening to Trump 247

Furthermore section 3 of the 14th was used extensively in the years right after it was passed to deny former Confederates from holding office in local, state & federal governments.

It also has been used recently to the same purpose for people who were part of the Jan 6th attempt to shut down the US Congress.

Trapper Gus wrote:https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-insurrection-trump-ballot-disqualification-5ba83d718b97150447acf15cee75c7a3

There is no part of the Constitution that is "obsure".  Every word is important.

Sometimes I think all the headline writers at AP are listening to Trump 247

Quality journalism is dead. Well at least buried beneath so much crap that normal people can't find it. They print whatever someone says. Take Russia. The news went with the POWs being on the plane that was shot down -- completely without evidence. Or the recent attack in Lysychansk. They went direct with the Russian narrative instead of doing two seconds of common sense analysis or due diligence.

https://apnews.com/article/american-founders-christian-nation-conservative-beliefs-4ea388e8d80c54016a6a4460cbef9b82

Adding this article to the WTF thread...

While claiming that "many" want a Christian Nation and implying a near majority the article doesn't provide "dollar one" in any data to back up thier claims.

Trapper Gus wrote:https://apnews.com/article/american-founders-christian-nation-conservative-beliefs-4ea388e8d80c54016a6a4460cbef9b82

Adding this article to the WTF thread...

While claiming that "many" want a Christian Nation and implying a near majority the article doesn't provide "dollar one" in any data to back up thier claims.

I love and respect humanity too much to want a "Christian Nation".

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:https://apnews.com/article/american-founders-christian-nation-conservative-beliefs-4ea388e8d80c54016a6a4460cbef9b82

Adding this article to the WTF thread...

While claiming that "many" want a Christian Nation and implying a near majority the article doesn't provide "dollar one" in any data to back up thier claims.

I love and respect humanity too much to want a "Christian Nation".

Aside from that, I think there was something in the Constitution about freedom of religion. Yes, that's right, the first amendment, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion".

Floyd Robertson wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: I love and respect humanity too much to want a "Christian Nation".

Aside from that, I think there was something in the Constitution about freedom of religion. Yes, that's right, the first amendment, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion".

Yes, that plus the 14th Admendment which always has been seen to apply all parts of the US Constitution, expecially the Bill of Rights, to the states.

Once again AP making claims without the numbers to support them...

https://apnews.com/article/poll-ukraine-aid-congress-b772c9736b92c0fbba477938b047da2f

Once again here is an AP Headline

Texts show prosecutor’s ex-law partner gave info for effort to remove Fani Willis from election case

It is missing one very important word

Texts show prosecutor’s ex-law partner gave false info for effort to remove Fani Willis from election case

https://apnews.com/article/willis-wade-trump-bradley-text-messages-b10041b3446df0426ca8e3192a042162