Tools

Not the ones from UM

Youngest son has been doing some trim in his house. Borrowed a power miter saw from his FIL. Said the blade had a few teeth missing. Son stopped by yesterday to pick up a new 80t carbide tipped blade told him I had. Talked about his project. Said he didn't want to borrow my finish nailer and compressor cause they'd make too much noise for granddaughter and their pets

Wasn't until after he left that I compiled what he'd said. Talked with him today to discover he had no clue what a finish nail setter is. My dad taught me and I'm going to teach my son tomorrow. Bringing some newer setters as well as some handed down to me by my dad.

I feel sad about old school arts/tools/techniques that will possibly be lost in technology.

He should rent a cordless trim nailer.

Motown Spartan wrote:He should rent a cordless trim nailer.

WOTS is Pervis’ cord makes him a heckuva trim nailer.

I'm sure someone is learning that stuff... people are still building houses.
I'm probably going to teaching my kids the same shit soon enough. I'm not good at it though.

That stuff you don't teach them until they have their own place and their wives "motivate" them to take on a job they can't afford to hire out. You know what, it really all comes down to:

Spend the $300. You won’t regret it.

Motown Spartan wrote:He should rent a cordless trim nailer.  

Better yet buy him a cordless finish or braid nailer. Home projects are an excuse to buy new tools. They are cheap and easy to use. Unless you’re a contractor doing jobs 8hrs a day a compressor is overkill. Battery units work well.

I’ve been upgrading all my corded tools to 18v Ryobi. Dewalt, Milwaukee, etc. are just as good and have a wide range of battery powered tools. Pick a brand and build an arsenal. Impact driver (a must have), drill, circular saw, finish nailer, braid nailer, framing nailer, outdoor trimming tools, etc.

Get him one and set him down the path for later.

Nordic wrote:

Motown Spartan wrote:He should rent a cordless trim nailer.  

Better yet buy him a cordless finish or braid nailer. Home projects are an excuse to buy new tools. They are cheap and easy to use. Unless you’re a contractor doing jobs 8hrs a day a compressor is overkill. Battery units work well.

I’ve been upgrading all my corded tools to 18v Ryobi. Dewalt, Milwaukee, etc. are just as good and have a wide range of battery powered tools. Pick a brand and build an arsenal. Impact driver (a must have), drill, circular saw, finish nailer, braid nailer, framing nailer, outdoor trimming tools, etc.

Get him one and set him down the path for later.

Bought him a Ridgid shop vac couple years ago instead of him borrowing mine.

I like corded tools cause they rarely fail. Same goes for 2-cycle garden tools. Have a Stihl leaf blower and weed whacker that are both over 20 years old...neither has ever been serviced and still have their original spark plugs.

Only have 2 battery powered tools. A 12v Milwaukee drill/driver purchased at Builders Square over 30 years ago at one of those 20% off whatever you can fit in a grocery bag sales. And, a Saker 4" chain saw bought few months ago...surprisingly handy gadget and dirt cheap. Amazon had them on sale few days ago for $25.

Went to son's home. He and DIL want to sell soon. He's got a lot of stuff going on. Already replaced the flooring...looks good. In the process of replacing all the trim. House was built in the late 50's so he's running into all the surprises typically left by previous owners (reminded of my first house in RO). Roofing being replaced this coming week. Not sure exactly how but his insurance company is covering 75% of the cost. He claimed hail damage.

Comparing  a 30 year old a cordless tool with a modern one is like comparing a 30 year old TV with one from today.  Cordless tools are just sooooo much better now.  Lithium batteries and brushless motors are real game changers.

I would never go back to a gas trimmer or leaf blower.  I have both a cordless lawn mower and a gas one.  In general I prefer the cordless but the gas is much better at fall clean-up.

I am old enough to know what a nail set is and have used one many times.  The bottom line is the nail gun will be at least 10 times quicker and do a much better job. If your son wanted to cut down on noise he could put the compressor outside.  Nail guns don't use a lot of air (especially brad and finish nailers) so if the hose is not leaking at the connections, it won't run that much.  IMO if he is doing a whole house of trim, get a cordless one.

I have a full slate of pneumatic nailers and in general I feel they do a bit better job than the cordless ones but cordless is just so damn convenient (especially if you are driving just a few nails). The cordless ones are a bit heavier and bulkier though.

With all due respect Nordic, Milwaukee and DeWalt aren't just as good as Ryobi, they are better.  Ryobi tools are very good and they are a better value, but Milwaukee and DeWalt are top tier.

True on Milwaukee and DeWalt tools. Generally superior.

One thing I do like about battery-powered Ryobi is that, to my knowledge, the the actual battery is compatible with most (all?) other Ryobi power tools.

And if you're keeping score st home, I used a drill, a miter saw and a circular saw today for a project.

Also rode my Spedialized for around 24 miles. Probably the best machine of all of them.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:One thing I do like about battery-powered Ryobi is that, to my knowledge, the the actual battery is compatible with most (all?) other Ryobi power tools.

That is true for any of the modern tool makes until you switch voltages.  All 18v Ryobi "one" tools, use the same battery.  But you can't use a 40v Ryobi battery with them and it won't fit.  All 18v Milwaukee "M18 Fuel" tools use the same battery, all Makita "18v LXT" use the same battery.

DeWalt has "flex volt" batteries.  I have a 60v DeWalt circular saw and I can use that battery in my 20v drill (not that I would want to).  I believe you can use it in 12 volt tools as well.  But my 20v drill battery won't fit in the 60v circular saw.  Basically with DeWalt I believe that as long as the battery has equal more voltage you can use it in any tool the tool will just limit the voltage.

MSU addict wrote:Comparing  a 30 year old a cordless tool with a modern one is like comparing a 30 year old TV with one from today.

Made no comparison to old vs new battery tools. Was more a testament to how well Milwaukee stuff was (is?) made. Used the hell out of thing. Batteries stopped holding a worthwhile charge after about 10 years so went looking for a new cordless drill. Couldn't find a new one I liked better (even new Milwaukee's) so bought new batteries for the old one.

I don't need industrial strength, better chance then not the manufacturer will change their design and force me to buy a new system the moment the battery stops holding a charge.

That said, got a Ryobi impact drive last year and I'm amazed how much easier everything is vs old school tools. Not sure why I didn't buy it before.

AvgMSUJoe wrote:I don't need industrial strength, better chance then not the manufacturer will change their design and force me to buy a new system the moment the battery stops holding a charge.

That said, got a Ryobi impact drive last year and I'm amazed how much easier everything is vs old school tools. Not sure why I didn't buy it before.

I’ve owned DeWalt cordless tools for 28 years. When they changed the battery design (NiCad to Li-Ion) I slowly started replacing the tools themselves. But, they also made an adapter so I could use the new batteries with the old tools.

MSU addict wrote:With all due respect Nordic, Milwaukee and DeWalt aren't just as good as Ryobi, they are better.  Ryobi tools are very good and they are a better value, but Milwaukee and DeWalt are top tier.

Fair enough. I didn't mean to compare the brands in that way. I mainly meant that all three now have complete battery lineups with common batteries by brand. Pick a brand and build out an arsenal. As noted Ryobi has a 18v for hand tools and 40v for larger outdoor stuff. I can't speak to what DeWalt and Milwaukee have for their outdoor tools.

Ryobi is definitely a DYI brand. I can't recall what made me go with Ryobi when I started ditching my corded tools. Probably price. I'm Dutch and cheap. But I seem to recall Ryobi having a bigger selection of tools (indoor & outdoor) on the same battery pack than the other two. At least at Home Depot. That could of been marketing/display floor space. I know they all have a full lineups now-a-days. But to this day anytime I go into a Home Depot I browse the wall of Ryobi tools and it seems much more prominent than the others. The convivence of knowing I can get what I need and compatible with my batteries at HD is definitely a factor.

If I was a contractor I probably go Milwaukee or DeWalt. But for the most part it is DYI stuff/not daily use. Except the Ryobi impact driver. I use that at least twice a week for work installing parts at automotive prototype shops and at home. I've had the nut driver, braid nailer and blower (40v) for several years. They get a lot of use and have had no issues.

I do like the Milwaukee impact driver. Most of the mechanics at the shops I visit use them. It is more compact which comes in handy in tight spaces.  I thought about switching for this alone, but I'm in too deep with Ryobi to make a change.

Just bought a couple Dewalt 20v batteries at a garage sale for $8. The guy upgraded to bigger amp hour and didn't want them laying around. They both charged up good and are holding a charge so apparently nothing wrong with them