Remember this the next time you fork over $$ for "Organic"

by Guest 2014-12-23, 06:51

We had a long thread on this previously but it's time to remind everyone again. Buying organic from a local farmer might have some added value. Buying "organic" at any of the big chain stores including Whole Paycheck is a pure waste of $$. These large scale bastards have completely corrupted what was once a pure movement to better food. They now worry only about marginally complying with the letter of the law, fuck the spirit of the law.

"Organic" dairy:
Remember this the next time you fork over $$ for "Organic" Sm-AuroraColdwater-241

Remember this the next time you fork over $$ for "Organic" Sm-AuroraColdwater-241

This place produces "organic" eggs:
Remember this the next time you fork over $$ for "Organic" Sm-GreenMeadow-02

It's your $$, do with it what you will - but don't kid yourself that buying organic is getting you better quality food.

http://www.cornucopia.org/2014/12/investigation-factory-farms-producing-massive-quantities-organic-milk-eggs/

http://www.cornucopia.org/organic-factory-farm-investigation/

by Marc Summers 2014-12-23, 10:03

Whole Foods is great. They have the best products ever there, and prices have gotten much better since I started shopping there about 7 years ago.

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2014-12-23, 10:08

Nucky has gotten pretty lazy.

by LoneWolfSparty 2014-12-23, 10:34

Marc Summers wrote:Whole Foods is great. They have the best products ever there, and prices have gotten much better since I started shopping there about 7 years ago.

Yeah, considering they slap an organic sticker on things that aren't organic.

by **steveschneider** 2014-12-23, 10:50

LoneWolfSparty wrote:

Yeah, considering they slap an organic sticker on things that aren't organic.

You are correct.

I buy from a few local farmers at the markets and I swear their food is better than anything I can get at the grocery store. It's fresher, it's grown ethically and it tastes way better. The price is reasonable too because of the lower over head.

I go to the grocery store and see the word 'organic' up and down the aisles and it's really just a bunch of bull.

by **NigelUno** 2014-12-23, 11:03

Does organic = free range?

by **InTenSity** 2014-12-23, 11:14

steveschneider wrote:

You are correct.

I buy from a few local farmers at the markets and I swear their food is better than anything I can get at the grocery store. It's fresher, it's grown ethically and it tastes way better. The price is reasonable too because of the lower over head.

I go to the grocery store and see the word 'organic' up and down the aisles and it's really just a bunch of bull.

Your local farmer can pick when product is near ripe. Look at the labeling, if you are in the NE, and getting anything from Mexico, that stuff was picked at least 10 days before hitting the shelf. They can't pick it ripe, it would never make delivery. Most everything in the NE is from hothouses in Canada, and I'd be willing to bet during the winter it is a mix of Netherlands and Mexico.

by Marc Summers 2014-12-23, 11:16

LoneWolfSparty wrote:

Yeah, considering they slap an organic sticker on things that aren't organic.

I agree that Whole Foods isn't the best for organics, but they're still quite a bit better than any other retail grocer.

by **Jake from State Farm** 2014-12-23, 11:19

InTenSity wrote:
Your local farmer can pick when product is near ripe. Look at the labeling, if you are in the NE, and getting anything from Mexico, that stuff was picked at least 10 days before hitting the shelf. They can't pick it ripe, it would never make delivery. Most everything in the NE is from hothouses in Canada, and I'd be willing to bet during the winter it is a mix of Netherlands and Mexico.

Chile is also getting in the mix pretty good in the food exporting business.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/362825

by **Turtleneck** 2014-12-23, 11:20

Corporate farming has corrupted food production and crippled the role of the small family farm. I am glad people are seeking locally grown options. Fuck corporate agriculture.

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** 2014-12-23, 11:22

Let's keep it real here folks. This isn't about organic vs. non organic. This is about Liberals.

by **steveschneider** 2014-12-23, 11:29

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Let's keep it real here folks. This isn't about organic vs. non organic. This is about Liberals.

I'm sure these local farmers I'm buying from are pretty conservative white christians...that's alright though, this great nation was built on compromise.

by LoneWolfSparty 2014-12-23, 11:31

NigelUno wrote:Does organic = free range?

Yes. Otherwise chickens and other animals are overly fattened by eating feed and not getting exercise.

by Bizarro Fletch 2014-12-23, 11:35

LoneWolfSparty wrote:

Yes. Otherwise chickens and other animals are overly fattened by eating feed and not getting exercise.

No, organic does not = free range.

http://homeguides.sfgate.com/difference-between-organic-freerange-chicken-79293.html

by Guest 2014-12-23, 11:38

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Let's keep it real here folks. This isn't about organic vs. non organic. This is about Liberals.

Don't politicize my thread you son of a bitch. I'll grant you that pinko liberal hippies may have started the organic movement but the solid conservative small farmers have jumped right in once they saw the $$ to be made. So overall it's a bipartisan capitalist love festival.

by **Rocinante** 2014-12-23, 11:44

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Let's keep it real here folks. This isn't about organic vs. non organic. This is about Liberals.

Did somebody call me?

by green night 2014-12-25, 08:05

Turtleneck wrote:Corporate farming has corrupted food production and crippled the role of the small family farm. I am glad people are seeking locally grown options. Fuck corporate agriculture.

I honestly don't think it's corporate farming .... it's that many children don't want any part of the farming business. Go get a good degree and work 40 hrs a week ... a couple weeks off every year and go to florida or maine.

The point is that farming is hard work and you don't make great $ ... always susceptible to commodity prices. You should be hedging but it's hard to take a lower price in the future than what something is selling for now, especially if you're not sophisticated. Large capital intensive business.

My grandparents were farmers ... my parents, no way. Me -- no fricken way.

BTW, these corporate farmers ... they're the guy that parents farmed and then they buy 3 or 4 other family farms because they're for sale (see above reasons). These are the typical corporate farms.

by **Cameron** 2014-12-25, 22:24

NigelUno wrote:Does organic = free range?

No, they're different, but both are essentially marketing ploys and excuses to charge more for what are essentially the same products.

by **Snake Plissken** 2014-12-25, 23:05

Rocinante wrote:

Did somebody call me?

Yes

by HT 2014-12-25, 23:24

Organic is just a scam to get you to fork over more money.

Buying local is much better than buying organic.

by **xsanguine** 2014-12-26, 00:12

green night wrote:

I honestly don't think it's corporate farming .... it's that many children don't want any part of the farming business. Go get a good degree and work 40 hrs a week ... a couple weeks off every year and go to florida or maine.

The point is that farming is hard work and you don't make great $ ... always susceptible to commodity prices. You should be hedging but it's hard to take a lower price in the future than what something is selling for now, especially if you're not sophisticated. Large capital intensive business.

My grandparents were farmers ... my parents, no way. Me -- no fricken way.

BTW, these corporate farmers ... they're the guy that parents farmed and then they buy 3 or 4 other family farms because they're for sale (see above reasons). These are the typical corporate farms.

Exactly. No one wants to work hard anymore and many just want others to do the things for them that are necessary to survive but "too hard" Remember this the next time you fork over $$ for "Organic" 4177874726

Remember this the next time you fork over $$ for "Organic" 4177874726

(poor babies).

That's why most men these days have become faceless, atrophied paper pushers that make telephone calls all day and call it "working". There still are some real men out there, though, but they're rare.

I feel bad for women, most of all... because they have to deal with the overwhelming saturation of beta males with office hands.

It's actually just worse for all of humankind because some woman is actually going to mate with one of these soft, delicate creatures that we call "men" by a technicality despite their effeminate, emasculated existence... so they end up creating weaker offspring as a result. It's a shame.

by HT 2014-12-26, 09:27

green night wrote:

I honestly don't think it's corporate farming .... it's that many children don't want any part of the farming business. Go get a good degree and work 40 hrs a week ... a couple weeks off every year and go to florida or maine.

The point is that farming is hard work and you don't make great $ ... always susceptible to commodity prices. You should be hedging but it's hard to take a lower price in the future than what something is selling for now, especially if you're not sophisticated. Large capital intensive business.

My grandparents were farmers ... my parents, no way. Me -- no fricken way.

BTW, these corporate farmers ... they're the guy that parents farmed and then they buy 3 or 4 other family farms because they're for sale (see above reasons). These are the typical corporate farms.

I would agree...somewhat. Farming takes a ton of work, and I'm not interested in it more because of the time commitment (I have grandparents who grow apples and now my cousins do and I help out at the orchard and barn in my free time). It's a lot of time, and some of the work involved in it really sucks (like pruning trees in the dead of the Western NY winter).

I disagree about the money part, though. Some crops like corn and soybeans...yeah, they're not viable unless you have a large operation. But growing crops like apples, peaches, pears and cherries is good money. During the fall, we'll make $1,000 a Saturday net profit on apples alone. During the peach harvest during the summer, we usually make about $2100 net profit on a Saturday with peaches alone, and then a similar amount with Nectarines on top of it.

If you grow the right crops, it's really good money.

by **Turtleneck** 2014-12-26, 13:28

green night wrote:

I honestly don't think it's corporate farming .... it's that many children don't want any part of the farming business. Go get a good degree and work 40 hrs a week ... a couple weeks off every year and go to florida or maine.

The point is that farming is hard work and you don't make great $ ... always susceptible to commodity prices. You should be hedging but it's hard to take a lower price in the future than what something is selling for now, especially if you're not sophisticated. Large capital intensive business.

My grandparents were farmers ... my parents, no way. Me -- no fricken way.

BTW, these corporate farmers ... they're the guy that parents farmed and then they buy 3 or 4 other family farms because they're for sale (see above reasons). These are the typical corporate farms.

I should have been more specific. I was referring to the net impact of corporate dominated food production, and especially the consolidation of the agricultural market around a limited number of ag giants. One of those impacts is forcing once small family farms to expand or die. For me this has really undermined food production and driven from the picture the family farm that we Americans love to romanticize about.

by **NigelUno** 2015-09-01, 14:51

Mods.

Do your job.

Merge.

by Guest 2016-12-09, 09:59

And more from those wonderful "organic" farms.

Organic Crop Insurance Abuse Hides in Plain Sight

“Pure and simple, they’ll harvest this field with a disc,” Carroll says. “No yield means big bucks. Rest assured, failure is rewarded because the Risk Management Agency (RMA) will pay up in full.”

A field of weeds can pay better than a field of corn, and costs almost nothing to produce. Plant seed, run a cultivator with a wink and a nod, and walk away. This is a skin-and-bones crop production formula where less means more. No inputs, no sweat equity, no management, no harvest, but plenty of profit in a scheme plucking millions from the pockets of U.S. taxpayers. Carroll and a growing number of Texas farmers say a crop insurance racket is hiding in plain sight.

Carroll claims growers are gaming the organic crop insurance system and pushing land rent for conventional producers.

“They plant, walk away, and let the grass take over. Come harvest time, the insurance adjustor shows up and zeroes it out. Insurance money is in the bag,” he explains.

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2016-12-09, 10:07

Isn't raw milk considered organic? Honest question, I don't really get the rules for what is considered organic.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-12-09, 10:09

remember.. don't exercise your right to purchase what you want to purchase.

by Guest 2016-12-09, 10:15

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:Isn't raw milk considered organic? Honest question, I don't really get the rules for what is considered organic.

Raw milk would only be organic if harvested from certified organic cows. And that's become a joke today too, check post 1 in this thread. Organic milk is coming from the same factory farms as your other milk. That's why you need to find a nice clean farm to buy you pure raw milk. Well, unless you let TN scare you - then go get a gill of whiskey.

by **Nordic** 2016-12-09, 10:47

I like organic food, I think it tastes better

by Triple Sparty 2016-12-09, 11:17

Anything I can do to eliminate use of chemicals is good in my book.

by Triple Sparty 2016-12-09, 11:19

And I'm shocked that people, assuming the article is accurate even though no interview/comment from actual fed, are taking advantage of a government program. Properly price in externalities from conventional farming and we wouldn't have to subsidize organic.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-12-09, 11:36

Nordic wrote:I like organic food, I think it tastes better

it does.. much healthier, too.

I find that I look and feel better in my jorts and MSU jersey after a good organic food binge.

by Guest 2016-12-09, 11:40

I'll wait for TN to start the "organic food is covered in shit" thread.

by **The_Dude** 2016-12-09, 12:32

Nordic wrote:I like organic food, I think it tastes better

Cage free free eggs and hormone free chicken tatses better for sure.

Not sure if I can tell the difference in a blind taste test between, lets say, and organic cucumber or head of romaine and non organic.

by CheesySpartan 2016-12-09, 12:51

We are members at our local co-op which has 4 locations around the city. I try to do my shopping there as they have the largest local, organic market available. In WI, an obvious agricultural heavy state, its easy to get a wide range of wonderful, local fruits, vegetables, meats and grains. It costs more but the quality is superb and the money goes back into the local economy so its a win-win IMO.

https://www.outpost.coop/community/vendor/

by Guest 2016-12-09, 12:59

CheesySpartan wrote:We are members at our local co-op which has 4 locations around the city. I try to do my shopping there as they have the largest local, organic market available. In WI, an obvious agricultural heavy state, its easy to get a wide range of wonderful, local fruits, vegetables, meats and grains. It costs more but the quality is superb and the money goes back into the local economy so its a win-win IMO.

https://www.outpost.coop/community/vendor/

I'm all for local. Farmer's markets. Ag co-ops. CSAs. I'm very skeptical of organic. I've been on the inside and seen just how shitty the whole system is. It started out great and has now been 80-90% perverted.

by Guest 2017-03-06, 11:35

Caged Egg producing chickens.
Remember this the next time you fork over $$ for "Organic" Chickens-inside-coop

Cage Free Egg producing chickens. Yep - that's worth $1 or more a dozen.
Remember this the next time you fork over $$ for "Organic" Chickens-inside-coop-2

Animal activists defeated by court in egg case

by **GRR Spartan** 2017-03-06, 12:23

I have done business with the Herbuck family in Ionia. They supply eggs to Meijer, Spartan Stores, some of Walmart and McDonalds for MI , Northern IN and northern Ohio.

About 3 years ago they invested millions to be a Heartland supplier. Special barns, feed even filtered water. The told me they were already doing "organic" with a smaller flock off site.

Look on any food conglomerate web site and you'll see they have gone on a buying spree of organic food producers the same way the beer giants have bought up craft beers.

by **tGreenWay** 2017-03-06, 13:31

Unless it's changed recently, Herbruck's supplies all the McDonald's east of the Mississippi.

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2017-03-06, 13:37

GRR Spartan wrote:I have done business with the Herbuck family in Ionia. They supply eggs to Meijer, Spartan Stores, some of Walmart and McDonalds for MI , Northern IN and northern Ohio.

About 3 years ago they invested millions to be a Heartland supplier. Special barns, feed even filtered water. The told me they were already doing "organic" with a smaller flock off site.

Look on any food conglomerate web site and you'll see they have gone on a buying spree of organic food producers the same way the beer giants have bought up craft beers.

Grew up in Ionia. That egg farm stinks horribly in the summer. Like you're on the verge of puking if you happen to drive by it with the window down and the wind is blowing the full stench your way bad.

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