Utah Wants To Reinstate Firing Squads As Method Of Execution

CheesySpartan wrote:

So you're saying it is better to keep them alive and locked away with no chance of ever making a positive contribution to society regardless of cost? Then per usual we agree to disagree and I'm ok with that...

Ugh, dammit. I didn't want this to go to the swill.

What is the cost of one innocent life? If we're willing to execute people for the crimes they commit, should a prosecutor have it over their head that if they get the death penalty, but the person they try is later found to be innocent, should they take his place? They argued to put an innocent person in harms way, and won.

What about prosecutors who knowingly push for the death penalty when they know the defendant is innocent, but they need the political points?

I think for the DP, we better be 110% sure that the person being executed, actually committed the crime.

InTenSity wrote:

Ugh, dammit. I didn't want this to go to the swill.

What is the cost of one innocent life? If we're willing to execute people for the crimes they commit, should a prosecutor have it over their head that if they get the death penalty, but the person they try is later found to be innocent, should they take his place? They argued to put an innocent person in harms way, and won.

What about prosecutors who knowingly push for the death penalty when they know the defendant is innocent, but they need the political points?

I think for the DP, we better be 110% sure that the person being executed, actually committed the crime.

So if a slimy criminal defense attorney gets a murderer off the hook then he should be put to death?

tTy wrote:

BAD NAME!!!

..."I played my part and you played your game..."

tTito wrote:

So if a slimy criminal defense attorney gets a murderer off the hook then he should be put to death?

"Hell No!!!"

signed OJ's defense team

If I was on the firing squad, I'd aim for this:

I say strap a bomb to them, parachute them into Mosul, and remote detonate the fucker. Win/win. ISIS might even respect the move and stand down. Win/win/win.

tTito wrote:

So if a slimy criminal defense attorney gets a murderer off the hook then he should be put to death?

No. Look all I'm saying is that we should be 110% sure that someone committed the crime, and how many innocent lives are worth it to satisfy the public blood lust?

CheesySpartan wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

exactly, I bet the hate wires in the minds of conservatives would be permanently damaged if the one Muslim in Utah murdered someone on behalf of the government yelling "Allah Akbhar"!!  

So what should we do with these POS?  Lock them away from society for 50+ years at $40K/year to the taxpayer?  Who the hell is that benefiting?

It actually costs less to put somebody in jail for life than it does to execute them, but this thread is not about whether we should or shouldn't have capital punishment (which is absolutely a Swill Bin topic). It's about the "method of the madness", so to speak (which is not necessarily a Swill Bin topic).

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
yes, as someone who values life - all life - that's what I'm saying. I'm cool with disagreeing.. at least we don't get banned here for disagreeing with people.

oh - and if we invested money in people on the front end of life, I suspect we'd be less likely to need to invest money on them in correctional facilities.

but that's for another thread, I guess.

Bob is spot on.

LooseGoose wrote:

I love how outraged you are over cold blooded killers getting their just desserts. you keep defending them, I'll be happy to shoot them.

I always saw a certain logic to the way the Chinese do it. Bullet to the back of the criminal's head, and a bill for the bullet to his family. Not for anyone, but these remorseless twisted fucks like Timothy McVeigh, or that Washington DC sniper that are nailed dead to rights.

Man... just think... if it weren't for the barbaric, anti-humane drug war.... we wouldn't even need capital punishment.

I love how the death penalty is selectively enforced. A black man who kills a white man is about 5 times more likely to get the death penalty than a white man who kills a black man. I'm sure Jesus would approve.

Cameron wrote:

Would? Does. Jesus does approve.

Point taken. Hallelujah!

Cym Jim wrote:I love how the death penalty is selectively enforced. A black man who kills a white man is about 5 times more likely to get the death penalty than a white man who kills a black man. I'm sure Jesus would approve.

Not doubting you (have heard the number before), but source?

One reason being that I recall reading a number that black men kill 10x more white men than whites that kill blacks. That's before even adjusting for the fact that blacks only make up about 12% of the total US population, compared to whites that make up 63%.

That may have some affect on the capital punishment numbers... which is why I'd like to see them cause I'm curious about how it's arrived at, myself.

Send these squads to Ferguson.

Don't feed the trolls....

Are Utah officials going to require titanium bullets? All this talk about firing squads but no concern about lead poisoning.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:meh.. even if they didn't do whatever the government killed them for, they probably did something that deserved government-sponsored murder at some point in their trashy life... you know how those people can be..

oh, and, praise jesus.

If you don't want to spend a bullet on the thugs then how about if you make room for them in your neighborhood?

DWags wrote:

I wonder if someday the lord Jesus Christ would see fit to have a man and legislature elected that perhaps would pass laws that put to death those people with illnesses too? Like maybe if they have the gay.  

Praise God.

You mean like the Abortions done on Down's kids?

LooseGoose wrote:

You mean like the Abortions done on Down's kids?

Game on!

I honestly believe I would align myself more with conservatives if it wasn't for you guys' antiquated social viewpoints.

As it is, I'll keep voting for my independent, never gonna get elected, candidates.

DWags wrote: WE've just become so dominated by the radicals in both parties. Even their leaders can't control them in congress.

That's cute, dwags.

xsanguine wrote:

Not doubting you (have heard the number before), but source?

One reason being that I recall reading a number that black men kill 10x more white men than whites that kill blacks. That's before even adjusting for the fact that blacks only make up about 12% of the total US population, compared to whites that make up 63%.

That may have some affect on the capital punishment numbers... which is why I'd like to see them cause I'm curious about how it's arrived at, myself.

except, that wasn't his point.


reading is fundamental.

Toe wrote:

except, that wasn't his point.


reading is fundamental.

I didn't say any of that was his point. It was my point.

Comprehension is fundamental.

xsanguine wrote:



I didn't say any of that was his point. It was my point.

Comprehension is fundamental.

holy fuck


sorry, just my typical response when I hear something stupid.

continue.

DWags wrote:

Seriously.

I'm sure that the other side can say the same thing about liberals. WE've just become so dominated by the radicals in both parties. Even their leaders can't control them in congress.

At the end of the day, Tip O'Neil and Ronald Reagan had drinks together. We've just lost that in this country.

On the contrary, conservatives are marginalized. We have the far left in oval office with full support of democrats. The GOP is controlled by progessive republicans.

You people just couldn't help yourselves could you? Just had to go all political & Swill Bin the thing.

You're as bad as those you criticize.