Iran seizes Marshall islands vessel and crew of 34

by **kingstonlake** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 11:19

Breaking.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/saudi-owned-tv-says-iran-detains-us-cargo-ship-in-gulf/ar-BBiMcUf?fdhead=HP-GBL-HP-IP-NA

by **Turtleneck** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 11:27

I'm reading that it is a Marshall Islands flagged vessel operated by Denmark based Maersk.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 11:28

appropriate responses:

a) "I thought the seas were going to part and the world was going to love us if only we elected The Messiah.. Thanks Obama"

or.. if this is resolved peacefully

b) "this was a carefully constructed plot by the Obama Administration to make himself look powerful on the world stage at a time of crisis"

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 11:28

Iran Revolutionary Guard patrol boats intercept a commercial cargo ship, the M/V Maersk Tigris, which was crossing the Strait of Hormuz Tuesday morning, according to a senior U.S. military official.

Despite reports in some media, there are no Americans on board, the official said.

The ship, a Marshall Islands flagged vessel, was transiting the Strait into the Persian Gulf on an internationally recognized maritime route, the U.S. official said.

The Iranian military contacted the vessel and directed the ship master to "divert further into Iranian Waters," according to the official.

"The master initially declined and one of the IRGCN (Iranian mlitary) patrol craft fired shots across the Maersk Tigris' bow. The master then complied and diverted under escort by the IRGCN vessels."

by **Turtleneck** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 11:30

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
Iran Revolutionary Guard patrol boats intercept a commercial cargo ship, the M/V Maersk Tigris, which was crossing the Strait of Hormuz Tuesday morning, according to a senior U.S. military official.

Despite reports in some media, there are no Americans on board, the official said.

The ship, a Marshall Islands flagged vessel, was transiting the Strait into the Persian Gulf on an internationally recognized maritime route, the U.S. official said.

The Iranian military contacted the vessel and directed the ship master to "divert further into Iranian Waters," according to the official.

"The master initially declined and one of the IRGCN (Iranian mlitary) patrol craft fired shots across the Maersk Tigris' bow. The master then complied and diverted under escort by the IRGCN vessels."

I wonder if Iran will place the ship in close vicinity to the Malaysia Air airplane they stole.

by **kingstonlake** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 11:31

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
Iran Revolutionary Guard patrol boats intercept a commercial cargo ship, the M/V Maersk Tigris, which was crossing the Strait of Hormuz Tuesday morning, according to a senior U.S. military official.

Despite reports in some media, there are no Americans on board, the official said.

The ship, a Marshall Islands flagged vessel, was transiting the Strait into the Persian Gulf on an internationally recognized maritime route, the U.S. official said.

The Iranian military contacted the vessel and directed the ship master to "divert further into Iranian Waters," according to the official.

"The master initially declined and one of the IRGCN (Iranian mlitary) patrol craft fired shots across the Maersk Tigris' bow. The master then complied and diverted under escort by the IRGCN vessels."

Damn liberal media and their initial reports.

by **Heat Miser** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 11:31

Marshall Island-flagged vessel

The ship had no U.S. citizens aboard

So why is the headline calling this a "US vessel"? Because it's owned by Maersk...a Danish conglomerate?

by **Rocinante** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 11:32

So it's not a U.S. Vessel and no U.S. sailors are aboard. How about change your title.

EDIT: thanks.

by **kingstonlake** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 11:33

Rocinante wrote:So it's not a U.S. Vessel and no U.S. sailors are aboard. How about change your title.

Easy chainsaw. Got it covered.

by **Turtleneck** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 11:33

Heat Miser wrote:
Marshall Island-flagged vessel
The ship had no U.S. citizens aboard

So why is the headline calling this a "US vessel"? Because it's owned by Maersk...a Danish conglomerate?

The headline in the OP's link now says Marshall Islands.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 11:35

CHANGE YOUR TITLE, ASSHOLE!

by **steveschneider** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 11:35

I'm calling BS, looks like a classic false flag operation. 25 years ago this may have been justification to start a war, but it won't cut it this day and age. I'm sure they'll correct the headlines and story soon.

by **Turtleneck** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 11:36

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:CHANGE YOUR TITLE, ASSHOLE!

HE NEEDS TO CHARGE HIS PHONE!!!!!

by **Rocinante** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 11:37

Did you guys know this isn't an American vessel and no Americans are aboard?

by **kingstonlake** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 11:37

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:CHANGE YOUR TITLE, ASSHOLE!

Iran seizes Marshall islands vessel and crew of 34 4198636888

by **Turtleneck** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 11:38

Rocinante wrote:Did you guys know this isn't an American vessel and no Americans are aboard?

What? That is news to me.

by **kingstonlake** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 11:42

SOMEONE LOAN ME A CHARGER!

by **Turtleneck** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 11:50

kingstonlake wrote:SOMEONE LOAN ME A CHARGER!

What kind of phone? I only have a charger for a Motorola StarTac.

by **kingstonlake** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 11:58

Turtleneck wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:SOMEONE LOAN ME A CHARGER!

What kind of phone? I only have a charger for a Motorola StarTac.

Baller.

by Guest Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 11:59

Robert J Sakimano wrote:appropriate responses:

a) "I thought the seas were going to part and the world was going to love us if only we elected The Messiah.. Thanks Obama"

or.. if this is resolved peacefully

b) "this was a carefully constructed plot by the Obama Administration to make himself look powerful on the world stage at a time of crisis"

You forgot mentioning how well treaty negotiations are going with Iran.

by Guest Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 12:20

Rocinante wrote:So it's not a U.S. Vessel and no U.S. sailors are aboard. How about change your title.

EDIT: thanks.

Doesn't change the fact that we must attack if our word means anything.

USA has a legal obligation to treat an attack on Marshall Islands like an attack on the USA.

Iran seizes Marshall islands vessel and crew of 34 CDsD9IlWgAAkKzS

Iran seizes Marshall islands vessel and crew of 34 CDsD9IlWgAAkKzS

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/173999.pdf

by **I.B. Fine** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 12:25

I hear Obama is a legal scholar, I'm sure he's up on all that treaty/legality stuff.
Probably has a drone headed for Pakistan as we type.

by **Heat Miser** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 12:29

LooseGoose wrote:
Rocinante wrote:So it's not a U.S. Vessel and no U.S. sailors are aboard. How about change your title.

EDIT: thanks.

Doesn't change the fact that we must attack if our word means anything.

USA has a legal obligation to treat an attack on Marshall Islands like an attack on the USA.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/173999.pdf

You're reaching. A Marshall Islands flagged vessel is not a part of the Marshall Islands. It's simply where the boat is registered, probably for tax reasons.

by **Cym Jim** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 12:48

Heat Miser wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

Doesn't change the fact that we must attack if our word means anything.

USA has a legal obligation to treat an attack on Marshall Islands like an attack on the USA.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/173999.pdf

You're reaching. A Marshall Islands flagged vessel is not a part of the Marshall Islands. It's simply where the boat is registered, probably for tax reasons.

Indeed. I've been my hiding my goat rental profits on Bikini Atoll for years.

by Guest Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 12:55

Breaking: US State Dept issues strongly worded folk song at Iran

Iran seizes Marshall islands vessel and crew of 34 CDsUVLWXIAA1lWV

by **Heat Miser** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 13:00

LooseGoose wrote:Breaking: US State Dept issues strongly worded folk song at Iran

Yeah, what are we waiting for!?!?!?! Let's nuke 'em over a container ship!!! And machine gun anybody who protests it too!!! That'll learn 'em!!!

Iran seizes Marshall islands vessel and crew of 34 US_dictatorship_TSHansen_c_44

Iran seizes Marshall islands vessel and crew of 34 US_dictatorship_TSHansen_c_44

by Guest Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 13:09

Heat Miser wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:Breaking: US State Dept issues strongly worded folk song at Iran

Yeah, what are we waiting for!?!?!?! Let's nuke 'em over a container ship!!! And machine gun anybody who protests it too!!! That'll learn 'em!!!

So a riot/looting/arson is today's protest? Sorry, I don't agree.

I'm all for protests against the government, I'm against crime.

by **Rocinante** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 13:13

LooseGoose wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:

Yeah, what are we waiting for!?!?!?! Let's nuke 'em over a container ship!!! And machine gun anybody who protests it too!!! That'll learn 'em!!!

So a riot/looting/arson is today's protest? Sorry, I don't agree.

I'm all for protests against the government, I'm against crime.

I just don't understand how you and others fail to understand the difference between trying to sympathize with a repressed population and condoning destructive criminal acts. We all agree that individuals who commit crimes should be prosecuted. Some of us think that dismissing the real social issues by clucking your tongue at people acting out in a decidedly unwise way and saying that the result proves the need for MORE strong-arm tactics is moronic.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 13:21

Rocinante wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

So a riot/looting/arson is today's protest? Sorry, I don't agree.

I'm all for protests against the government, I'm against crime.

I just don't understand how you and others fail to understand the difference between trying to sympathize with a repressed population and condoning destructive criminal acts. We all agree that individuals who commit crimes should be prosecuted. Some of us think that dismissing the real social issues by clucking your tongue at people acting out in a decidedly unwise way and saying that the result proves the need for MORE strong-arm tactics is moronic.

Spot on.

by **I.B. Fine** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 13:27

Rocinante wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

So a riot/looting/arson is today's protest? Sorry, I don't agree.

I'm all for protests against the government, I'm against crime.

I just don't understand how you and others fail to understand the difference between trying to sympathize with a repressed population and condoning destructive criminal acts. We all agree that individuals who commit crimes should be prosecuted. Some of us think that dismissing the real social issues by clucking your tongue at people acting out in a decidedly unwise way and saying that the result proves the need for MORE strong-arm tactics is moronic.

I just don't understand how you conflate free speech and criminal violence
They are two separate things, if you're doing one, your not doing the other.

Edit: I also am confused why this is in the Iran thread

by Guest Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 13:28

Rocinante wrote:MORE strong-arm tactics is moronic.

So those that disagree with you are morons.

It's why I avoid these discussions, they can't be had without insults.

I recognize that different people can have contrasting legitimate views, I don't insult their intelligence because they happen to disagree with me.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 13:28

Rocinante wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

So a riot/looting/arson is today's protest? Sorry, I don't agree.

I'm all for protests against the government, I'm against crime.

I just don't understand how you and others fail to understand the difference between trying to sympathize with a repressed population and condoning destructive criminal acts. We all agree that individuals who commit crimes should be prosecuted. Some of us think that dismissing the real social issues by clucking your tongue at people acting out in a decidedly unwise way and saying that the result proves the need for MORE strong-arm tactics is moronic.

it's easier for republicans to politicize everything at every given moment... gotta remember, these are the people who don't really appreciate people thinking for themselves.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 13:29

LooseGoose wrote:
Rocinante wrote:MORE strong-arm tactics is moronic.

So those that disagree with you are morons.

It's why I avoid these discussions, they can't be had without insults.

I recognize that different people can have contrasting legitimate views, I don't insult their intelligence because they happen to disagree with me.

maybe while small government republicans are advocating that the government kill its own citizens during a riot, they could also kill the morons...

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 13:29

LooseGoose wrote:
Rocinante wrote:MORE strong-arm tactics is moronic.

So those that disagree with you are morons.

It's why I avoid these discussions, they can't be had without insults.

I recognize that different people can have contrasting legitimate views, I don't insult their intelligence because they happen to disagree with me.

You HONESTLY want to start lighting up people that were protesting when it turns to chaos?

by **Rocinante** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 13:44

I.B. Fine wrote:
Rocinante wrote:

I just don't understand how you and others fail to understand the difference between trying to sympathize with a repressed population and condoning destructive criminal acts. We all agree that individuals who commit crimes should be prosecuted. Some of us think that dismissing the real social issues by clucking your tongue at people acting out in a decidedly unwise way and saying that the result proves the need for MORE strong-arm tactics is moronic.

I just don't understand how you conflate free speech and criminal violence
They are two separate things, if you're doing one, your not doing the other.

Edit: I also am confused why this is in the Iran thread

Me too.

And yes, if you really think that the solution to disaffected black populations with some members that act out in violent and ill-advised ways is more violence, you are a moran.

by Guest Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 13:46

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

So those that disagree with you are morons.

It's why I avoid these discussions, they can't be had without insults.

I recognize that different people can have contrasting legitimate views, I don't insult their intelligence because they happen to disagree with me.

You HONESTLY want to start lighting up people that were protesting when it turns to chaos?

More than anything I want peace.

by Guest Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 13:47

I.B. Fine wrote:
Rocinante wrote:

I just don't understand how you and others fail to understand the difference between trying to sympathize with a repressed population and condoning destructive criminal acts. We all agree that individuals who commit crimes should be prosecuted. Some of us think that dismissing the real social issues by clucking your tongue at people acting out in a decidedly unwise way and saying that the result proves the need for MORE strong-arm tactics is moronic.

I just don't understand how you conflate free speech and criminal violence
They are two separate things, if you're doing one, your not doing the other.

Edit: I also am confused why this is in the Iran thread

Everything's going to hell.

by **Heat Miser** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 13:49

LooseGoose wrote:
Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

So those that disagree with you are morons.

It's why I avoid these discussions, they can't be had without insults.

I recognize that different people can have contrasting legitimate views, I don't insult their intelligence because they happen to disagree with me.

You HONESTLY want to start lighting up people that were protesting when it turns to chaos?

More than anything I want peace.

And yet you say this:

LooseGoose wrote:Doesn't change the fact that we must attack if our word means anything.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 13:51

so are we blaming Obama for this or can we somehow assign blame to Hillary?

by **Heat Miser** Tue 28 Apr 2015 - 13:51

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:
Rocinante wrote:MORE strong-arm tactics is moronic.

So those that disagree with you are morons.

It's why I avoid these discussions, they can't be had without insults.

I recognize that different people can have contrasting legitimate views, I don't insult their intelligence because they happen to disagree with me.
maybe while small government republicans are advocating that the government kill its own citizens during a riot, they could also kill the morons...

When you say things like this Bob, you force threads to be moved to the Swill Bin.

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