Are Trump's supporters uninformed or just misinformed?

The_Dude wrote:

DoogieHouser wrote:

Uneducated rednecks. Their candidate is an idiot.

And the gullible sheep that believe chronic liar Hilary are better?

Ok...

GRR Spartan wrote:

The_Dude wrote:


And the gullible sheep that believe chronic liar Hilary are better?

Ok...

The_Dude can't post without a mention of Hillary Clinton or those that support her.

That's typical and sad.

GRR Spartan wrote:

The_Dude wrote:


And the gullible sheep that believe chronic liar Hilary are better?

Ok...

The_Dude can't post without a mention of Hillary Clinton or those that support her.  

That's typical and sad.

The_Dude wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote:

The_Dude can't post without a mention of Hillary Clinton or those that support her.  

That's typical and sad.

Because I call out the irony and hypocrisy.

Its just funny watching Obama supporters calling other misinformed or gullible for falling for lies. I mean, seriously?

Turtleneck wrote:

The_Dude wrote:

Because I call out the irony and hypocrisy.

Its just funny watching Obama supporters calling other misinformed or gullible for falling for lies. I mean, seriously?

How are you calling out the "irony and hypocrisy" of the people you are responding to if they have made no mention of who they support? Your response makes no sense. You just jump to Clinton with no cause.

AnomanderRake wrote:Who cares about Hilary and Trump anyway, America is about to feel the BERN!!!

The_Dude wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote:

The_Dude can't post without a mention of Hillary Clinton or those that support her.  

That's typical and sad.

Because I call out the irony and hypocrisy.

Its just funny watching Obama supporters calling other misinformed or gullible for falling for lies. I mean, seriously?

The_Dude wrote:

AnomanderRake wrote:Who cares about Hilary and Trump anyway, America is about to feel the BERN!!!

He's a feeble old idiot. Does he even know he's running against Hilary? Ive never seen such a weak campaign.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has broken the record for the number of individual contributions received at this point during a presidential campaign, his campaign announced Sunday.
The Sanders campaign says it hit the 2.3 million contributions mark during Saturday evening's Democratic presidential debate. The major milestone breaks the record President Barack Obama set during his re-election campaign. Through Dec. 31, 2011, Obama reportedly had received about 2.2 million donations.

AnomanderRake wrote:Who cares about Hilary and Trump anyway, America is about to feel the BERN!!!

The_Dude wrote:

AnomanderRake wrote:Who cares about Hilary and Trump anyway, America is about to feel the BERN!!!

He's a feeble old idiot.  Does he even know he's running against Hilary?  Ive never seen such a weak campaign.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

Code_Warrior wrote:
Well, if you think that rhetoric works, by all means, keep it up.  So far all that kind of rhetoric has done is make him stronger.  But, like most snarky elitists, you can't possibly see the flaws in your methods, so you double down on them.  Good for you!

It seems like he's just going to help Clinton in the end.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Code_Warrior wrote:
Well, if you think that rhetoric works, by all means, keep it up. So far all that kind of rhetoric has done is make him stronger. But, like most snarky elitists, you can't possibly see the flaws in your methods, so you double down on them. Good for you!

thanks, man.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

Jethro Bodeen wrote:The people that speak constantly of the stupidity and ignorance of others and yet get angry, mocking and refuse to discuss or consider issues with intellectual honesty are known as liberals/Progressives/Marxist/Democrats.

When one is a Liberal(for short) , by labeling others as stupid and ignorant, you give yourself a pretext for refusing to engage the debate. Ideas and candidates are dismissed off hand and all inner conflict is avoided. Its much easier than using intellect and reason. And its safer. One can avoid accusation of racism, sexism, anti gay, anti lgbt. You simply call others stupid, say you are for everything except hate and drink micro-beer. Then in your mind, anyone with opposing political views is a hater, stupid, white, ignorant and worthy only of mocking and ignoring.

I don't think it takes a lot of intellect to see what Trump is doing. As bob has said many times before, he is thriving off insecurity, fear, and paranoia - whether it's re: Muslims or Mexicans.  

Robert J Sakimano wrote:a right wing patriotic gun enthusiast buddy mine thinks that Trump's campaign is "amazing" - I was like, "dude - what's so amazing about it? He's a billionaire using his own money to tap into other people's bigotry, racism, fear and paranoia - it's really not that difficult to do"...

strange how naive and gullible some right wing patriotic gun enthusiasts are. Not surprising, because we see it over and over - just strange.

Blanch32 wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:a right wing patriotic gun enthusiast buddy mine thinks that Trump's campaign is "amazing" - I was like, "dude - what's so amazing about it? He's a billionaire using his own money to tap into other people's bigotry, racism, fear and paranoia - it's really not that difficult to do"...

strange how naive and gullible some right wing patriotic gun enthusiasts are. Not surprising, because we see it over and over - just strange.

Yes it is bob when you go comole rely against the establishment

Code_Warrior wrote:Certainly, the issues are part of Trump's appeal, but if you think that a snarky elitist approach will work to take him down, you're sorely mistaken.

Trump's supporters see him as a fighter against political correctness. They view politicall correctness as an assault on the 1st amendment and they see establishment types constantly bowing to it and carefully choosing their words so as to try and avoid the barbs of snarky elitists. Since those very same politicians have lied to them before, none of the establishment types are trusted by Trump supporters.

Trump supporters also see him as someone who can't be bullied. As evidence of that, they can point to the companies that stopped doing business with Trump because of his political views. Trump can easily afford the loss of business and has parlayed that into proof that he's sticking to his principles even when it costs him business. The political points he scored with his supporters are far more valuable to him than the money he lost, because it demonstrates to them that he can't be bullied.

Most of his supporters are plain spoken people who feel like they have no voice in a society dominated by political correctness. Trump speaks plainly and is their champion. The more the snarky elitists try to hit him with their political correctness arsenal, the harder he fights back. His supporters love him for that and he knows it. Consequently he says more politically incorrect things just to goad the snarky elitists into attacking him, which they do with glee to their own detriment because it only provides Trump with the optics he needs to be seen as the champion of the fight against political correctness, causing even more disaffected people jump on the bandwagon.

Snarky elitists can't understand it because they have arrogant contempt for anyone they disagree with and a self righteous smugness that blinds them to anything other than their own world view. Of course, that's exactly what they accuse their opposition of doing and society becomes polarized as a result.

I'm not a fan of Trump, but I understand why his supporters are.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

Jethro Bodeen wrote:The people that speak constantly of the stupidity and ignorance of others and yet get angry, mocking and refuse to discuss or consider issues with intellectual honesty are known as liberals/Progressives/Marxist/Democrats.

When one is a Liberal(for short) , by labeling others as stupid and ignorant, you give yourself a pretext for refusing to engage the debate. Ideas and candidates are dismissed off hand and all inner conflict is avoided. Its much easier than using intellect and reason. And its safer. One can avoid accusation of racism, sexism, anti gay, anti lgbt. You simply call others stupid, say you are for everything except hate and drink micro-beer. Then in your mind, anyone with opposing political views is a hater, stupid, white, ignorant and worthy only of mocking and ignoring.

I don't think it takes a lot of intellect to see what Trump is doing. As bob has said many times before, he is thriving off insecurity, fear, and paranoia - whether it's re: Muslims or Mexicans.

Code_Warrior wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

It seems like he's just going to help Clinton in the end.

I guess that depends on how many democrats and independents dislike Hillary and find Trump appealing.  I don't believe Trump would be a good president on his own.  You can't govern with sound bites and TV appearances and you can't run government like a business.  You need a grass roots political organization not only to get out the vote, but, more importantly, you need that organization after you're elected in order to Influence local politics toward your national level agenda, because, ultimately, all politics is local.  Trump doesn't have any semblance of a grass roots organization.  I expect Trump to take a good look at Cruz as a running mate because Cruz has far and away the most complete state level organizations of any of the republican anti-establishment candidates, so I'm sure that Trump would like to leverage not only that, but also leverage Cruz's senatorial experience.  Cruz's supporters might be willing to support a Trump/Cruz ticket.

Also, Trump won't try to take the high road with Hillary like McCain and Romney did with Obama.  Don't think for a moment he won't go after her for things she did when Bill was president.  Trump is ruthless, he will hit her where it hurts, and she has a lot of baggage he can exploit.  I wouldn't assume that Hillary's a lock.

We will see if Trump can get the nomination.  It will be interesting for sure.

The_Dude wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

I don't think it takes a lot of intellect to see what Trump is doing. As bob has said many times before, he is thriving off insecurity, fear, and paranoia - whether it's re: Muslims or Mexicans.

You are wrong. Trump is thriving because he understands how to campaign. Use simple slogans, don't give specifics (Obama won on 'yes we can' and 'hope and change') and he talks plainly. That means unlike someone like Hilary he doesn't run every word he says by 12 advisers before he says something.

Oh...and Bob is funny saying that the GOP uses irrational fear. And the Dems don't? They've been running campaigns on fear and paranoia for years. Global warming going to doom us all...GOP want to put blacks back in chains...GOP want women to be second class citizens..and on and on.

Trump, unlike the GOP party as a whole, understands how to campaign and not be bullied/defined by the media and challengers.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:a right wing patriotic gun enthusiast buddy mine thinks that Trump's campaign is "amazing" - I was like, "dude - what's so amazing about it? He's a billionaire using his own money to tap into other people's bigotry, racism, fear and paranoia - it's really not that difficult to do"...

strange how naive and gullible some right wing patriotic gun enthusiasts are. Not surprising, because we see it over and over - just strange.