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Giant Moose wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:



This is why people do not post here.

I thought it was because I mentioned Duke and UNC too much.

You deserve both the pet troll tag and to have your pseudo Spartan avatar exchanged for one of coach rat face

Klavnis turnbuckel had a hell of an OT period in that game. That's the only game I remember him from to be honest.

duffy munn wrote:Hey Moose, I know how hard it is for you to break character. A repetitive schtick is an effective schtick.

I know Izzo only has one title and has a bad record v Duke/UNC. Thanks for occasionally pointing it out.

But did you watch the video OTPT posted ? Damn dude, it's incredible what MSU has accomplished under Izzo. If you can't enjoy and appreciate it after watching that video,.......I don't know man.

I agree. I'm glad Izzo could match what Jud did. Both are HoFers, and we are lucky to have them.

Giant Moose wrote:

duffy munn wrote:Hey Moose, I know how hard it is for you to break character. A repetitive schtick is an effective schtick.

I know Izzo only has one title and has a bad record v Duke/UNC. Thanks for occasionally pointing it out.

But did you watch the video OTPT posted ? Damn dude, it's incredible what MSU has accomplished under Izzo. If you can't enjoy and appreciate it after watching that video,.......I don't know man.

I agree. I'm glad Izzo could match what Jud did. Both are HoFers, and we are lucky to have them.

Even Jud will tell you the best thing he ever did for MSU was make sure Izzo got the job.

The only criteria you fairly can use to compare the two is National Titles.

In 19 years at MSU Jud finished below 500 6 times. Izzo never did and likely never will.

In 19 years Jud missed the NCAA tourney 9 times. Izzo once.

Jud made the elite eight in 1978 and won it all in 79. He never made it past the sweet sixteen the following 16 seasons. Do I need to list Izzo's tourney resume for you ?

I love Jud but comparing him to Izzo simply because each one a national title is dumb. ( not surprising and I think it's a vital part of your schtick )

If anything, looking at Jud's entire career makes a case that MSU had very little basketball history until Tom Izzo came along.

duffy munn wrote:If anything, looking at Jud's entire career makes a case that MSU had very little basketball history until Tom Izzo came along.

A school with a national title and one of the top 3 hoops players (personally I think Earvin is #1 all-time) to ever play the game had little basketball history?

Giant Moose wrote:

duffy munn wrote:If anything, looking at Jud's entire career makes a case that MSU had very little basketball history until Tom Izzo came along.

A school with a national title and one of the top 3 hoops players (personally I think Earvin is #1 all-time) to ever play the game had little basketball history?

About the same as Indiana State.

duffy munn wrote:

Giant Moose wrote:
A school with a national title and one of the top 3 hoops players (personally I think Earvin is #1 all-time) to ever play the game had little basketball history?

About the same as Indiana State.

Nope, not at all. Indiana State never won a title. I know you like to degrade Jud's accomplishments every chance you get, though.

Giant Moose wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

Saying things like this doesn't help tGreenway. wanna talk about your favorite ncaa tourney game you've been to or how exciting this time of the year is?

My favorite moment was when our 4-seed women's hoops team didn't get to play at home like they had earned.

The 20 point blow out loss in the FF last year to Duke and the 20 point blow out loss to North Carolina in 2009 were my favorite.

Giant Moose wrote:

duffy munn wrote:


About the same as Indiana State.

Nope, not at all. Indiana State never won a title. I know you like to degrade Jud's accomplishments every chance you get, though.

From 1958 until 1978 MSU made the NCAA tournament exactly one time. Once. After winning it all in 79 it was six years before we got back to the tournament.

I'm not degrading Jud at all. I'm giving you facts and records. Jud did very good things at MSU but is not in the same universe as Izzo.

MSU was a national brand for 2 seasons with Magic. Appeared on the map a few other times with Skiles, Respert and the 1990 team. Other than that, we were very mediocre for the better part of 40 years.

duffy munn wrote:

Giant Moose wrote:
Nope, not at all. Indiana State never won a title. I know you like to degrade Jud's accomplishments every chance you get, though.

From 1958 until 1978 MSU made the NCAA tournament exactly one time. Once. After winning it all in 79 it was six years before we got back to the tournament.

I'm not degrading Jud at all. I'm giving you facts and records. Jud did very good things at MSU but is not in the same universe as Izzo.

MSU was a national brand for 2 seasons with Magic. Appeared on the map a few other times with Skiles, Respert and the 1990 team. Other than that, we were very mediocre for the better part of 40 years.

Cool, arbitrary cutoff point to exclude 1957. I get it. You don't value national titles and instead like being in the top 4. If that's the way you want to look at things, great. Some of us want to win national championships.

Giant Moose wrote:

duffy munn wrote:


From 1958 until 1978 MSU made the NCAA tournament exactly one time. Once. After winning it all in 79 it was six years before we got back to the tournament.

I'm not degrading Jud at all. I'm giving you facts and records. Jud did very good things at MSU but is not in the same universe as Izzo.

MSU was a national brand for 2 seasons with Magic. Appeared on the map a few other times with Skiles, Respert and the 1990 team. Other than that, we were very mediocre for the better part of 40 years.

Cool, arbitrary cutoff point to exclude 1957. I get it. You don't value national titles and instead like being in the top 4. If that's the way you want to look at things, great. Some of us want to win national championships.

Is it your position that we wodl be invited into the "tournament of champions" or be as nationally renowned for the 18 years from 1980-1998? Cause that's almost two decades. I love what Jud did. Respect the hell out of him, but to say we were a national brand because of the two years of Magic would be like saying Indian State is a national brand because of the three years of Larry Bird.

DWags wrote:

Giant Moose wrote:
Cool, arbitrary cutoff point to exclude 1957. I get it. You don't value national titles and instead like being in the top 4. If that's the way you want to look at things, great. Some of us want to win national championships.

Is it your position that we wodl be invited into the "tournament of champions" or be as nationally renowned for the 18 years from 1980-1998? Cause that's almost two decades. I love what Jud did. Respect the hell out of him, but to say we were a national brand because of the two years of Magic would be like saying Indian State is a national brand because of the three years of Larry Bird.

It wouldn't, though. ISU didn't win a national title. I don't know why you guys don't get how important national championships are. It's so weird. Winning MSU's first hoops title was so significant. I don't get why it is downplayed and compared to ISU. It's so strange.

Giant Moose wrote:

duffy munn wrote:


From 1958 until 1978 MSU made the NCAA tournament exactly one time. Once. After winning it all in 79 it was six years before we got back to the tournament.

I'm not degrading Jud at all. I'm giving you facts and records. Jud did very good things at MSU but is not in the same universe as Izzo.

MSU was a national brand for 2 seasons with Magic. Appeared on the map a few other times with Skiles, Respert and the 1990 team. Other than that, we were very mediocre for the better part of 40 years.

Cool, arbitrary cutoff point to exclude 1957. I get it. You don't value national titles and instead like being in the top 4. If that's the way you want to look at things, great. Some of us want to win national championships.

Did we win it all in 57 ?? Why do you embrace that year ??

The point is ( which you will never get) that MSU basketball was mediocre for a long, long time. Izzo has accomplished more in 20 years than the program had it's first in 95 years. I know it's not good enough for you.

In 1979, we had the same number of NCAA titles as Kansas and North Carolina. And more than Duke and UConn.

But we were a mediocre program according to DWags and duffy.

dude, DWags has confirmed that you have, indeed, made tSwill great again..

Hey, this is great..

congratulations!

Giant Moose wrote:

DWags wrote:

Is it your position that we wodl be invited into the "tournament of champions" or be as nationally renowned for the 18 years from 1980-1998? Cause that's almost two decades. I love what Jud did. Respect the hell out of him, but to say we were a national brand because of the two years of Magic would be like saying Indian State is a national brand because of the three years of Larry Bird.

It wouldn't, though. ISU didn't win a national title. I don't know why you guys don't get how important national championships are. It's so weird. Winning MSU's first hoops title was so significant. I don't get why it is downplayed and compared to ISU. It's so strange.

Nobody is downplaying the national title in 79. And of course will all want more national titles. You are the one saying Jud is equal to Izzo based on one season. In reality, it's not even close.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:dude, DWags has confirmed that you have, indeed, made tSwill great again..

Hey, this is great..

congratulations!

Thanks, Bob. I'm just glad he appreciates me. He seems to get a little rowdy at games, though. I'll make sure I always wear my green, white, bronze and neon if I see him.

Giant Moose wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:dude, DWags has confirmed that you have, indeed, made tSwill great again..

Hey, this is great..

congratulations!

Thanks, Bob. I'm just glad he appreciates me. He seems to get a little rowdy at games, though. I'll make sure I always wear my green, white, bronze and neon if I see him.

duffy munn wrote:

Giant Moose wrote:
It wouldn't, though. ISU didn't win a national title. I don't know why you guys don't get how important national championships are. It's so weird. Winning MSU's first hoops title was so significant. I don't get why it is downplayed and compared to ISU. It's so strange.

Nobody is downplaying the national title in 79. And of course will all want more national titles. You are the one saying Jud is equal to Izzo based on one season. In reality, it's not even close.

I think Jud having to battle Michigan cheating and Bobby Knight in his own conference was harder, so yeah, I do give Jud a lot of credit. Izzo and Jud are both HoFers with a title. Top 100 guys. We are lucky to have them both as part of our program.

Giant Moose wrote:In 1979, we had the same number of NCAA titles as Kansas and North Carolina. And more than Duke and UConn.

But we were a mediocre program according to DWags and duffy.

And also the same as:

Oregon
Wisconsin
Stanford
Wyoming
Utah
Holy Cross
CCNY
LaSalle
California
Ohio State
Loyola Chicago
Texas Western
NC State
Marquette

Giant Moose wrote:In 1979, we had the same number of NCAA titles as Kansas and North Carolina. And more than Duke and UConn.

But we were a mediocre program according to DWags and duffy.

Love how you can ignore 7 decades of basketball history at MSU. And the two decades after 1979.

Except for 3 seasons 57,78,79 MSU was indeed a mediocre program. Since 1998, we've been elite.

Giant Moose wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:dude, DWags has confirmed that you have, indeed, made tSwill great again..

Hey, this is great..

congratulations!

Thanks, Bob. I'm just glad he appreciates me. He seems to get a little rowdy at games, though. I'll make sure I always wear my green, white, bronze and neon if I see him.

I was referring to the OP but you have played a very integral role in our newfound greatness.

NigelUno wrote:

Giant Moose wrote:In 1979, we had the same number of NCAA titles as Kansas and North Carolina. And more than Duke and UConn.

But we were a mediocre program according to DWags and duffy.

And also the same as:

Oregon
Wisconsin
Stanford
Wyoming
Utah
Holy Cross
CCNY
LaSalle
California
Ohio State
Texas Western
NC State
Marquette

You forgot Loyola of Chicago. All on equal footing with Carolina, Duke and UConn.

duffy munn wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

And also the same as:

Oregon
Wisconsin
Stanford
Wyoming
Utah
Holy Cross
CCNY
LaSalle
California
Ohio State
Texas Western
NC State
Marquette

You forgot Loyola of Chicago. All on equal footing with Carolina, Duke and UConn.

Fixed. Don't want to leave out any program with a great history of success. My apologies to any Loyola Chicago fans.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Giant Moose wrote:
Thanks, Bob. I'm just glad he appreciates me. He seems to get a little rowdy at games, though. I'll make sure I always wear my green, white, bronze and neon if I see him.

I was referring to the OP but you have played a very integral role in our newfound greatness.

Sorry, I just am so happy at this moment. I am going to add it to my message board resume.

Titles don't matter. All that matters is losing in the Final Four. Jud sucks. Izzo is God.

NigelUno wrote:

duffy munn wrote:

You forgot Loyola of Chicago. All on equal footing with Carolina, Duke and UConn.

Fixed. Don't want to leave out any program with a great history of success. My apologies to any Loyola Chicago fans.

Go Ramblers !! Go Jesuits !! They took down Cinci and the Big O to win it all in 1963. The nation took notice and dubbed them a blue blood.

duffy munn wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

Fixed. Don't want to leave out any program with a great history of success. My apologies to any Loyola Chicago fans.

Go Ramblers !! Go Jesuits !! They took down Cinci and the Big O to win it all in 1963. The nation took notice and dubbed them a blue blood.

Titles only matter if Izzo wins them I guess.

Giant Moose wrote:In 1979, we had the same number of NCAA titles as Kansas and North Carolina. And more than Duke and UConn.

But we were a mediocre program according to DWags and duffy.

Prior to 1979, MSU had been to 1 Final Four.
UNC had been to 7.
Kansas had been to 6.

NigelUno wrote:

Giant Moose wrote:In 1979, we had the same number of NCAA titles as Kansas and North Carolina. And more than Duke and UConn.

But we were a mediocre program according to DWags and duffy.

Prior to 1979, MSU had been to 1 Final Four.
UNC had been to 7.
Kansas had been to 6.

Finishing in the top 4 is all that matters.

Giant Moose wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

Prior to 1979, MSU had been to 1 Final Four.
UNC had been to 7.
Kansas had been to 6.

Finishing in the top 4 is all that matters.

Are you trying to say that Kansas and UNC did not have better programs than MSU?

Did teams with 2 National Championships at that time have better programs than UNC and Kansas?  Like San Francisco, Oklahoma A&M, and Cincy?

NigelUno wrote:

Giant Moose wrote:
Finishing in the top 4 is all that matters.

Are you trying to say that Kansas and UNC did not have better programs than MSU?

Did teams with 2 National Championships at that time have better programs than UNC and Kansas?  Like San Francisco, Oklahoma A&M, and Cincy?

To me, yes. But I'm sure there will be some metric of teams losing titles that is more impressive to you and duffy.

Giant Moose wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

Are you trying to say that Kansas and UNC did not have better programs than MSU?

Did teams with 2 National Championships at that time have better programs than UNC and Kansas?  Like San Francisco, Oklahoma A&M, and Cincy?

To me, yes. But I'm sure there will be some metric of teams losing titles that is more impressive to you and duffy.

How do you differentiate between schools that all have 2 titles?

MSU, Florida, NC State, Cincy, San Fran, OK A&M

Which program is better?

NigelUno wrote:

Giant Moose wrote:
To me, yes. But I'm sure there will be some metric of teams losing titles that is more impressive to you and duffy.

How do you differentiate between schools that all have 2 titles?

MSU, Florida, NC State, Cincy, San Fran, OK A&M

Which program is better?

I value titles more after the tourney started seeding. In case of a tie, I look at whether a program has won titles with multiple coaches or if it was just one era they were successful in. Then come the lesser things that include Final Fours, conference success, overall record, and tournament appearances.

Giant Moose wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

How do you differentiate between schools that all have 2 titles?

MSU, Florida, NC State, Cincy, San Fran, OK A&M

Which program is better?  

I value titles more after the tourney started seeding. In case of a tie, I look at whether a program has won titles with multiple coaches or if it was just one era they were successful in. Then come the lesser things that include Final Fours, conference success, overall record, and tournament appearances.

And using that criteria, how would you evaluate Jud and Izzo?

NigelUno wrote:

Giant Moose wrote:
I value titles more after the tourney started seeding. In case of a tie, I look at whether a program has won titles with multiple coaches or if it was just one era they were successful in. Then come the lesser things that include Final Fours, conference success, overall record, and tournament appearances.

And using that criteria, how would you evaluate Jud and Izzo?

They are both top 100 coaches and HoFers.

Giant Moose wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

And using that criteria, how would you evaluate Jud and Izzo?

They are both top 100 coaches and HoFers.

Maybe you didn't fully understand the question (or are just embarrassed that you walked right into my trap with your eyes wide fucking open). Using the criteria that you established, which coach is better? Jud or Izzo?

NigelUno wrote:

Giant Moose wrote:
They are both top 100 coaches and HoFers.

Maybe you didn't fully understand the question (or are just embarrassed that you walked right into my trap with your eyes wide fucking open). Using the criteria that you established, which coach is better? Jud or Izzo?

I pick Jud. More honorable. Never had to sit out a game for his program violating rules.

Giant Moose wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

Maybe you didn't fully understand the question (or are just embarrassed that you walked right into my trap with your eyes wide fucking open). Using the criteria that you established, which coach is better? Jud or Izzo?

I pick Jud. More honorable. Never had to sit out a game for his program violating rules.

Using the criteria that you established, which coach is better? Jud or Izzo?

NigelUno wrote:

Giant Moose wrote:
I pick Jud. More honorable. Never had to sit out a game for his program violating rules.

Using the criteria that you established, which coach is better? Jud or Izzo?

Jud. Izzo cheated and got suspended. And Sherman claims that drug tests were fudged under Izzo. It's like how I would ding Ohio State, Memphis, or Michigan if I was comparing programs tied with them.