Prince Fielder doesn't give a **** about the Detroit series

That makes a couple things he didn't give a **** about. Go Tigers.

http://www.freep.com/article/20140520/SPORTS02/305200183/detroit-tigers-prince-fielder

He doesn't give a **** about calories either.

Turtleneck wrote:He doesn't give a **** about cholesterol either.

FTFY... Accuracy is important.

Fielder is a troubled guy -- his failed marriage, his rocky relationship with his dad, his battles with overindulging, etc.

Detroit wanted to embrace him. Everyone has fond memories of him as a child belting home runs at Tiger Stadium, and Detroit is a great place for athletes to get redemption as long as the fans see them working hard.

Unfortunately, Fielder came across as lazy and not caring. It's a shame he screwed up what could have been a great thing but given his past it's not surprising.

Giant Moose wrote:Fielder is a troubled guy -- his failed marriage, his rocky relationship with his dad, his battles with overindulging, etc.

...and his deportation back to Canada and that country's refusal to take him

fitting that Fielder chose to not show up for a series in Detroit, just for old times sake.

Fat Guy on Couch wrote:.....

Prince?

Danny Tanner wrote:

Prince?

I'm not leaving my couch, not even for 4 games in Detroit.

I'll play devils advocate here, the guy has a 547 game streak how does he not give a shit about playing in Detroit? Say what you want but that streak is pretty damn impressive.

Also, do Tiger fans ever wish a former player well? Seems like we as a group really carry a grudge.

Prince Fielder is in deep with his neck problems.  

I had disc compression in the 3/4/5 area and the only fix was surgery.  Although it took time to experience symptoms (like your limb is "falling asleep") once they started it went fast.  Like going to the doc and finding out one arm has 45% less strength.  Within 24 hour of surgery nearly all my symptoms were gone

There is no way he can wait this out.  He will require surgery and it will end his season.  Probably not his career but he won't be swinging a bat for a extended period of time and may even be advised to retire to avoid re-injuring his neck.

Given his miserable season and his unhappy memories in Detroit I'm not surprised he is staying in Texas but he has shown he still is in need of Derek Jeter interview training.

Prince is more of a jester

steveschneider wrote:I'll play devils advocate here, the guy has a 547 game streak how does he not give a shit about playing in Detroit? Say what you want but that streak is pretty damn impressive.

Also, do Tiger fans ever wish a former player well? Seems like we as a group really carry a grudge.

His streak was kept alive at the expense of the team on more than one occassion, so no, it's not really all that impressive as it cost the team games. Hell, I'd go as far as wondering if it didn't cost them a world series. Maybe he doesn't play like total shit in October if he takes a few days off in June.

And, yes, all the time. Who is booing Omar Infante? Doug Fister? Peralta? Those are just from this year.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
His streak was kept alive at the expense of the team on more than one occassion, so no, it's not really all that expensive as it cost the team games. Hell, I'd go as far as wondering if it didn't cost them a world series. Maybe he doesn't play like total shit in October if he takes a few days off in June.

And, yes, all the time. Who is booing Omar Infante? Doug Fister? Peralta? Those are just from this year.

I'd argue we needed a better BP more than Princes bat in the ALCS. We couldn't protect a lead in that series.

steveschneider wrote:

I'd argue we needed a better BP more than Princes bat in the ALCS. We couldn't protect a lead in that series.

I'd argue that him hitting better than .042 or whatever it was would've helped regardless of whether it was the biggest need or not.

Why should he care about coming back to Detroit? What pro baseball players have a true passion about the city or team they play for? 99% of them - including I'm sure most of the Tigers - are loyal to whoever will pay them the most.

I have no reason to dislike the guy, I'm just glad they somehow managed to unload (most of) his albatross of a contract. There is a definite trend in his career numbers and it's not going in the right direction.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
I'd argue that him hitting better than .042 or whatever it was would've helped regardless of whether it was the biggest need or not.

Even if he did bat better we weren't winning with our bp giving up two grand slams in two different games.

steveschneider wrote:

Even if he did bat better we weren't winning with our bp giving up two grand slams in two different games.

Didn't they lose one of those grand slam games by only 1 run? Anyway, really it's irrelevant to my original point. 

Fact- Prince sucked in the playoffs. His precious streak may have been apart of that sucking, which makes it not impressive. Whether it actually cost them a world series or not is not really the main theme I was getting at.

steveschneider wrote:

I'd argue we needed a better BP more than Princes bat in the ALCS. We couldn't protect a lead in that series.

FYI. We were not paying fielder to pitch. Nor were we paying him to not be The reason we lost

Blanch32 wrote:

FYI. We were not paying fielder to pitch.  Nor were we paying him to not be The reason we lost

Wait..... We were paying him to be the reason we lost? That seems like a foolish investment.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Didn't they lose one of those grand slam games by only 1 run? Anyway, really it's irrelevant to my original point. 

Fact- Prince sucked in the playoffs. His precious streak may have been apart of that sucking, which makes it not impressive. Whether it actually cost them a world series or not is not really the main theme I was getting at.

I'm not disputing he sucked in the playoffs. I'd argue he had a good regular season, and had a big hand in getting the Tigers to where they got. You are arguing that if he rested a few games the Tigers win the WS. I disagree with that.

Tigers lost game 2 by one run. They gave up 4 runs in the 8th and 1 run in the 9th.

The other game that they lost by one they had a one run lead going into the 8th and Uehara got 5 outs for the win. Did the Tigers even record a base hit against Uehara that entire series?

If you look at the composite line score of the series from the 7th inning on the Sox outscored the Tigers 12-1. If we had better relief pitching IMO we win that series.

steveschneider wrote:

I'm not disputing he sucked in the playoffs. I'd argue he had a good regular season, and had a big hand in getting the Tigers to where they got. You are arguing that if he rested a few games the Tigers win the WS. I disagree with that.

Tigers lost game 2 by one run. They gave up 4 runs in the 8th and 1 run in the 9th.

The other game that they lost by one they had a one run lead going into the 8th and Uehara got 5 outs for the win. Did the Tigers even record a base hit against Uehara that entire series?

If you look at the composite line score of the series from the 7th inning on the Sox outscored the Tigers 12-1. If we had better relief pitching IMO we win that series.

I'm sorry that I even mentioned the world series, because that's not what I was talking about at all and you can't seem to get off of it.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
I'm sorry that I even mentioned the world series, because that's not what I was talking about at all and you can't seem to get off of it.

"Hell, I'd go as far as wondering if it didn't cost them a world series. Maybe he doesn't play like total shit in October if he takes a few days off in June."

Your memory seems a little fuzzy, let me quote your earlier post.

steveschneider wrote:

"Hell, I'd go as far as wondering if it didn't cost them a world series. Maybe he doesn't play like total shit in October if he takes a few days off in June."

Your memory seems a little fuzzy, let me quote your earlier post.

Yes, that is the comment I was apologizing for. Thank you for clarifying. Whether we would have won the series or not is irrelevant to the point that Prince Fielder sucked in the playoffs and that may have been due to his refusing to take a day off to let that fat sack of shit he calls a body rest. Which was in response to you calling his streak impressive. It was not. It was selfish. 

He sucked in the 2012 playoffs as well, regardless of whether we could beat the Giants or not.

steveschneider wrote:

I'm not disputing he sucked in the playoffs. I'd argue he had a good regular season, and had a big hand in getting the Tigers to where they got. You are arguing that if he rested a few games the Tigers win the WS. I disagree with that.

Tigers lost game 2 by one run. They gave up 4 runs in the 8th and 1 run in the 9th.

The other game that they lost by one they had a one run lead going into the 8th and Uehara got 5 outs for the win. Did the Tigers even record a base hit against Uehara that entire series?

If you look at the composite line score of the series from the 7th inning on the Sox outscored the Tigers 12-1. If we had better relief pitching IMO we win that series.

I agree the bullpen was mostly responsible for those losses, but I believe in multiple causality as well.  As you said they lost two 1 run games. How many times did Prince come up in those games with runners on base and fail to deliver?

Dr Draymond wrote:


I agree the bullpen was mostly responsible for those losses, but I believe in multiple causality as well.  As you said they lost two 1 run games. How many times did Prince come up in those games with runners on base and fail to deliver?

We have to remember Cabrera struggled with his injury in the ALCS as well. In game three he went 0-4 and we lost that game 1-0. Perhaps if we have a healthy Cabrera it's a different series? What sticks out to me like a sore thumb that series are those games our BP blew big leads, and Bostons pitching in the later innings shutting down Detroit. Uehara was on fire.

Dr Draymond wrote:


I agree the bullpen was mostly responsible for those losses, but I believe in multiple causality as well.  As you said they lost two 1 run games. How many times did Prince come up in those games with runners on base and fail to deliver?

In the 4 losses, Fielder was 2-6 with men on base. In the same 4 games, Cabrera was 2-8 with men on base.

Boston won by 1 run in games 2, 3 & 5. In those 3 games Fielder was 2-4 with men on base.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Wait..... We were paying him to be the reason we lost? That seems like a foolish investment.

Well he definitely was a terrible investment. That we can agree on

Spartan Punk wrote:
In the 4 losses, Fielder was 2-6 with men on base. In the same 4 games, Cabrera was 2-8 with men on base.

Boston won by 1 run in games 2, 3 & 5. In those 3 games Fielder was 2-4 with men on base.

Thanks for looking that up. His numbers were much better than I thought.

steveschneider wrote:

We have to remember Cabrera struggled with his injury in the ALCS as well. In game three he went 0-4 and we lost that game 1-0. Perhaps if we have a healthy Cabrera it's a different series? What sticks out to me like a sore thumb that series are those games our BP blew big leads, and Bostons pitching in the later innings shutting down Detroit. Uehara was on fire.

I agree - but I guess that's my point. We don't have to limit the "reason" to the BP. Fielder, and certainly Miggy's injury, contributed to the series loss as well.

Dr Draymond wrote:

Thanks for looking that up. His numbers were much better than I thought.

No problem. He was getting hits with men on base, it's just that his hits were when someone was on first so Prince wasn't getting any RBI's. He didn't have very many at bats with RISP.

What teammates are drilling his old lady this season?

Hut1hut2 wrote:What teammates are drilling his old lady this season?

Yu Darvish

Prince scheduled to have season ending surgery.