The Racist, Bigoted, Misogynistic Admitted Sexual Predator Is Not Allowing Guns at His Inauguration..

​For your safety and the safety of others, the following items are prohibited from all official inauguration events.

   Aerosols
   Ammunition
   Animals other than service/guide animals
   Backpacks and bags exceeding size restrictions (18” by 13” by 7”)
   Bicycles
   Balloons
   Coolers
   Drones and other unmanned aircraft systems
   Explosives
   Firearms
   Glass, thermal, or metal containers
   Laser pointers
   Mace / Pepper spray
   Packages
   Selfie Sticks
   Signs exceeding the size restrictions (20” x 3” x 1/4”)
   Structures
   Supports for signs and placards
   Toy guns
   Weapons of any kind
   Any other items determined to be potential safety hazards

DWags wrote:Yeah, it's been proven no weapons zones are very dangerous.

LooseGoose wrote:

DWags wrote:Yeah, it's been proven no weapons zones are very dangerous.

Nah, they're the safest places in the world. We all know criminals and lunatics respect signs like that.

DWags wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

Nah, they're the safest places in the world. We all know criminals and lunatics respect signs like that.

So why are the SS guys banning weapons for the parade?

LooseGoose wrote:

DWags wrote:

So why are the SS guys banning weapons for the parade?

Oh??? It's the secret service?? So Bob lied in the thread title?

DWags wrote:Yeah, it's been proven no weapons zones are very dangerous.

DWags wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

Oh??? It's the secret service?? So Bob lied in the thread title?

Who ever is banning the weapons shouldn't. Don't you agree?

LooseGoose wrote:

DWags wrote:

Who ever is banning the weapons shouldn't. Don't you agree?

Yes, it's not only unconstitutional it's bad crime policy. The "wild west" was more peaceful than many of our large cities today, perhaps less control is the answer since decades of more gun control hasn't worked? Or do you want to continue to define insanity?


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein

LooseGoose wrote:

DWags wrote:

Who ever is banning the weapons shouldn't. Don't you agree?

Yes, it's not only unconstitutional it's bad crime policy. The "wild west" was more peaceful than many of our large cities today, perhaps less control is the answer since decades of more gun control hasn't worked? Or do you want to continue to define insanity?


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein

DWags wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

Yes, it's not only unconstitutional it's bad crime policy. The "wild west" was more peaceful than many of our large cities today, perhaps less control is the answer since decades of more gun control hasn't worked? Or do you want to continue to define insanity?


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein

I just don't get it then. Most of the guys putting Trumps parade together think along those lines. I think you should let everyone in the parade carry. I don't think anything bad would come of that. Great idea actually. Banning weapons is a real BS move.

LooseGoose wrote:

DWags wrote:

Who ever is banning the weapons shouldn't. Don't you agree?

Yes, it's not only unconstitutional it's bad crime policy. The "wild west" was more peaceful than many of our large cities today, perhaps less control is the answer since decades of more gun control hasn't worked? Or do you want to continue to define insanity?


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

DWags wrote:

I just don't get it then. Most of the guys putting Trumps parade together think along those lines. I think you should let everyone in the parade carry. I don't think anything bad would come of that. Great idea actually. Banning weapons is a real BS move.

I'd say that proud gun owners, supporters of the 2nd Amendment.. and their allies in the NRA must be livid.

wouldn't you?

DWags wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: I'd say that proud gun owners, supporters of the 2nd Amendment.. and their allies in the NRA must be livid.

wouldn't you?

If they weren't hypocrites we'd see protests about this highly unconstitutional move.   More guns, on parade routes.  Think Boston.  

AnomanderRake wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

Yes, it's not only unconstitutional it's bad crime policy. The "wild west" was more peaceful than many of our large cities today, perhaps less control is the answer since decades of more gun control hasn't worked? Or do you want to continue to define insanity?


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein

I don't think that's a fair assessment Goose. I agree that the "Wild West" was not nearly as wild as the movies would lead us to believe, but I wouldn't go as far as to draw conclusions regarding how to set public policy today.

Population density during that time was very low compared to today's big cities, their weapons were a joke compared to what we have now, and organized crime was nowhere near as prevalent as it is today.

I would love for X to step in here because I feel like the government is heavily to blame for the violent nature of US culture. Prohibition for example led to the growth of organized crime which has only expanded throughout the war on drugs. At this point though our violent culture is what it is, and you can't legislate your way out of a violent culture. I don't think more gun control is the answer, but I know that less gun control is also not the answer.

Laws mean nothing if we don't first and foremost respect each other's lives and property more than our own greed. I think the question we should all be asking ourselves is how do we change our culture to become less violent?

LooseGoose wrote:

AnomanderRake wrote:

I don't think that's a fair assessment Goose. I agree that the "Wild West" was not nearly as wild as the movies would lead us to believe, but I wouldn't go as far as to draw conclusions regarding how to set public policy today.

Population density during that time was very low compared to today's big cities, their weapons were a joke compared to what we have now, and organized crime was nowhere near as prevalent as it is today.

I would love for X to step in here because I feel like the government is heavily to blame for the violent nature of US culture. Prohibition for example led to the growth of organized crime which has only expanded throughout the war on drugs. At this point though our violent culture is what it is, and you can't legislate your way out of a violent culture. I don't think more gun control is the answer, but I know that less gun control is also not the answer.

Laws mean nothing if we don't first and foremost respect each other's lives and property more than our own greed. I think the question we should all be asking ourselves is how do we change our culture to become less violent?

Describing Colt .45's and Henry .45-70 rifles as "jokes" indicates a woeful lack of knowledge.

AnomanderRake wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

Describing Colt .45's and Henry .45-70 rifles as "jokes" indicates a woeful lack of knowledge.

Not really, today's weapons far outclass the Winchester repeating rifles and Colt .45s of the past, in terms of capacity to kill. I don't think the more powerful weapons of today make people inherently more violent though, only increase the amount of destruction a single person with a weapon can cause.

Anyway, that was probably the least important point of my post which is that I think culture is ultimately to blame for violence in the US.

AnomanderRake wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:Describing Colt .45's and Henry .45-70 rifles as "jokes" indicates a woeful lack of knowledge.

Not really, today's weapons far outclass the Winchester repeating rifles and Colt .45s of the past, in terms of capacity to kill. I don't think the more powerful weapons of today make people inherently more violent though, only increase the amount of destruction a single person with a weapon can cause.

Anyway, that was probably the least important point of my post which is that I think culture is ultimately to blame for violence in the US.

LooseGoose wrote:

AnomanderRake wrote:

Not really, today's weapons far outclass the Winchester repeating rifles and Colt .45s of the past, in terms of capacity to kill. I don't think the more powerful weapons of today make people inherently more violent though, only increase the amount of destruction a single person with a weapon can cause.

Anyway, that was probably the least important point of my post which is that I think culture is ultimately to blame for violence in the US.

OK, I'll concede it was an unimportant part of your post. Before you post tripe like that again, please research it. The Colt 45 remains among the most lethal hand guns out there. A .45-70 has killed untold numbers of Elk, Buffalo and other large game. The same large game that no person with ethics would ever hunt using today's "assault rifles" because of a LACK of killing power.

Tell me more about your cultural theories. What cultural differences explain the varying homicide rates in our cities vs our rural areas? It seems to be difficult to explain that more guns equal less killings but maybe you can enlighten us?

LooseGoose wrote:

AnomanderRake wrote:

Not really, today's weapons far outclass the Winchester repeating rifles and Colt .45s of the past, in terms of capacity to kill. I don't think the more powerful weapons of today make people inherently more violent though, only increase the amount of destruction a single person with a weapon can cause.

Anyway, that was probably the least important point of my post which is that I think culture is ultimately to blame for violence in the US.

OK, I'll concede it was an unimportant part of your post. Before you post tripe like that again, please research it. The Colt 45 remains among the most lethal hand guns out there. A .45-70 has killed untold numbers of Elk, Buffalo and other large game. The same large game that no person with ethics would ever hunt using today's "assault rifles" because of a LACK of killing power.

Tell me more about your cultural theories. What cultural differences explain the varying homicide rates in our cities vs our rural areas? It seems to be difficult to explain that more guns equal less killings but maybe you can enlighten us?

Key Findings

Gangs are expanding, evolving and posing an increasing threat to US communities nationwide. Many gangs are sophisticated criminal networks with members who are violent, distribute wholesale quantities of drugs, and develop and maintain close working relationships with members and associates of transnational criminal/drug trafficking organizations. Gangs are becoming more violent while engaging in less typical and lower-risk crime, such as prostitution and white-collar crime. Gangs are more adaptable, organized, sophisticated, and opportunistic, exploiting new and advanced technology as a means to recruit, communicate discretely, target their rivals, and perpetuate their criminal activity. Based on state, local, and federal law enforcement reporting, the NGIC concludes that:

There are approximately 1.4 million active street, prison, and OMG gang members comprising more than 33,000 gangs in the United States. Gang membership increased most significantly in the Northeast and Southeast regions, although the West and Great Lakes regions boast the highest number of gang members. Neighborhood-based gangs, hybrid gang members, and national-level gangs such as the Sureños are rapidly expanding in many jurisdictions. Many communities are also experiencing an increase in ethnic-based gangs such as African, Asian, Caribbean, and Eurasian gangs.
Gangs are responsible for an average of 48 percent of violent crime in most jurisdictions and up to 90 percent in several others, according to NGIC analysis. Major cities and suburban areas experience the most gang-related violence. Local neighborhood-based gangs and drug crews continue to pose the most significant criminal threat in most communities. Aggressive recruitment of juveniles and immigrants, alliances and conflict between gangs, the release of incarcerated gang members from prison, advancements in technology and communication, and Mexican Drug Trafficking Organization (MDTO) involvement in drug distribution have resulted in gang expansion and violence in a number of jurisdictions.
Gangs are increasingly engaging in non-traditional gang-related crime, such as alien smuggling, human trafficking, and prostitution. Gangs are also engaging in white-collar crime such as counterfeiting, identity theft, and mortgage fraud, primarily due to the high profitability and much lower visibility and risk of detection and punishment than drug and weapons trafficking.
US-based gangs have established strong working relationships with Central American and MDTOs to perpetrate illicit cross-border activity, as well as with some organized crime groups in some regions of the United States. US-based gangs and MDTOs are establishing wide-reaching drug networks; assisting in the smuggling of drugs, weapons, and illegal immigrants along the Southwest Border; and serving as enforcers for MDTO interests on the US side of the border.
Many gang members continue to engage in gang activity while incarcerated. Family members play pivotal roles in assisting or facilitating gang activities and recruitment during a gang members’ incarceration. Gang members in some correctional facilities are adopting radical religious views while incarcerated.
Gangs encourage members, associates, and relatives to obtain law enforcement, judiciary, or legal employment in order to gather information on rival gangs and law enforcement operations. Gang infiltration of the military continues to pose a significant criminal threat, as members of at least 53 gangs have been identified on both domestic and international military installations. Gang members who learn advanced weaponry and combat techniques in the military are at risk of employing these skills on the street when they return to their communities.
Gang members are acquiring high-powered, military-style weapons and equipment which poses a significant threat because of the potential to engage in lethal encounters with law enforcement officers and civilians. Typically firearms are acquired through illegal purchases; straw purchases via surrogates or middle-men, and thefts from individuals, vehicles, residences and commercial establishments. Gang members also target military and law enforcement officials, facilities, and vehicles to obtain weapons, ammunition, body armor, police gear, badges, uniforms, and official identification.
Gangs on Indian Reservations often emulate national-level gangs and adopt names and identifiers from nationally recognized urban gangs. Gang members on some Indian Reservations are associating with gang members in the community to commit crime.
Gangs are becoming increasingly adaptable and sophisticated, employing new and advanced technology to facilitate criminal activity discreetly, enhance their criminal operations, and connect with other gang members, criminal organizations, and potential recruits nationwide and even worldwide.

AnomanderRake wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

OK, I'll concede it was an unimportant part of your post. Before you post tripe like that again, please research it. The Colt 45 remains among the most lethal hand guns out there. A .45-70 has killed untold numbers of Elk, Buffalo and other large game. The same large game that no person with ethics would ever hunt using today's "assault rifles" because of a LACK of killing power.

Tell me more about your cultural theories. What cultural differences explain the varying homicide rates in our cities vs our rural areas? It seems to be difficult to explain that more guns equal less killings but maybe you can enlighten us?

I should have been more clear in what I meant about the Colt/Winchester. Yes they are extremely lethal weapons, but if a violent criminal had to choose between one of those and an assault rifle with a 30+ round magazine or a semi-automatic pistol with 15+ rounds, both of which are quick/easy to reload, I assume that's an easy decision.

Anyway, regarding culture and the high homicide rates in cities relative to rural areas, I believe it's heavily rooted in the prevalence of organized crime which is predominantly based in cities. I believe organized crime also thrives in cities in large part due to the high population density of uneducated urban poor. There are likely a multitude of socioeconomic factors at play as well, but I truly believe organized crime is the driving factor. Why would kids in the ghetto work a minimum wage job when they can make 10x that in a day selling drugs, and many of their peers are doing just that?

The vast majority of gun-related deaths are gang on gang violence or in some way related to criminal activities of gangs. Below are the key findings from a 2011 FBI study on gang activity

https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/2011-national-gang-threat-assessment

Key Findings

Gangs are expanding, evolving and posing an increasing threat to US communities nationwide. Many gangs are sophisticated criminal networks with members who are violent, distribute wholesale quantities of drugs, and develop and maintain close working relationships with members and associates of transnational criminal/drug trafficking organizations. Gangs are becoming more violent while engaging in less typical and lower-risk crime, such as prostitution and white-collar crime. Gangs are more adaptable, organized, sophisticated, and opportunistic, exploiting new and advanced technology as a means to recruit, communicate discretely, target their rivals, and perpetuate their criminal activity. Based on state, local, and federal law enforcement reporting, the NGIC concludes that:

There are approximately 1.4 million active street, prison, and OMG gang members comprising more than 33,000 gangs in the United States. Gang membership increased most significantly in the Northeast and Southeast regions, although the West and Great Lakes regions boast the highest number of gang members. Neighborhood-based gangs, hybrid gang members, and national-level gangs such as the Sureños are rapidly expanding in many jurisdictions. Many communities are also experiencing an increase in ethnic-based gangs such as African, Asian, Caribbean, and Eurasian gangs.
Gangs are responsible for an average of 48 percent of violent crime in most jurisdictions and up to 90 percent in several others, according to NGIC analysis. Major cities and suburban areas experience the most gang-related violence. Local neighborhood-based gangs and drug crews continue to pose the most significant criminal threat in most communities. Aggressive recruitment of juveniles and immigrants, alliances and conflict between gangs, the release of incarcerated gang members from prison, advancements in technology and communication, and Mexican Drug Trafficking Organization (MDTO) involvement in drug distribution have resulted in gang expansion and violence in a number of jurisdictions.
Gangs are increasingly engaging in non-traditional gang-related crime, such as alien smuggling, human trafficking, and prostitution. Gangs are also engaging in white-collar crime such as counterfeiting, identity theft, and mortgage fraud, primarily due to the high profitability and much lower visibility and risk of detection and punishment than drug and weapons trafficking.
US-based gangs have established strong working relationships with Central American and MDTOs to perpetrate illicit cross-border activity, as well as with some organized crime groups in some regions of the United States. US-based gangs and MDTOs are establishing wide-reaching drug networks; assisting in the smuggling of drugs, weapons, and illegal immigrants along the Southwest Border; and serving as enforcers for MDTO interests on the US side of the border.
Many gang members continue to engage in gang activity while incarcerated. Family members play pivotal roles in assisting or facilitating gang activities and recruitment during a gang members’ incarceration. Gang members in some correctional facilities are adopting radical religious views while incarcerated.
Gangs encourage members, associates, and relatives to obtain law enforcement, judiciary, or legal employment in order to gather information on rival gangs and law enforcement operations. Gang infiltration of the military continues to pose a significant criminal threat, as members of at least 53 gangs have been identified on both domestic and international military installations. Gang members who learn advanced weaponry and combat techniques in the military are at risk of employing these skills on the street when they return to their communities.
Gang members are acquiring high-powered, military-style weapons and equipment which poses a significant threat because of the potential to engage in lethal encounters with law enforcement officers and civilians. Typically firearms are acquired through illegal purchases; straw purchases via surrogates or middle-men, and thefts from individuals, vehicles, residences and commercial establishments. Gang members also target military and law enforcement officials, facilities, and vehicles to obtain weapons, ammunition, body armor, police gear, badges, uniforms, and official identification.
Gangs on Indian Reservations often emulate national-level gangs and adopt names and identifiers from nationally recognized urban gangs. Gang members on some Indian Reservations are associating with gang members in the community to commit crime.
Gangs are becoming increasingly adaptable and sophisticated, employing new and advanced technology to facilitate criminal activity discreetly, enhance their criminal operations, and connect with other gang members, criminal organizations, and potential recruits nationwide and even worldwide.

Less than 1% of murders in the US are considered "mass" murders, yet there's constant hysteria in the media to make our country seem less safe or more violent than it is in whole. Much of our nation's violence is highly concentrated in these organized crime hot spots. If you're an average joe and not living in gang territory, statistically your greatest threat when it comes to gun violence is your own friends/family.

AnomanderRake wrote:Haha dammit Bob no I don't know. For whatever it's worth, I believe in any assembly's right to disarm those who choose to attend said assembly as a pre-requisite for entry, though I do find this particular instance ironic.

I also am adamantly opposed to any non-LEO carrying a weapon in schools, hospitals, and many other buildings.

LooseGoose wrote:

DWags wrote:

Who ever is banning the weapons shouldn't. Don't you agree?  

Yes, it's not only unconstitutional it's bad crime policy.   The "wild west" was more peaceful than many of our large cities today, perhaps less control is the answer since decades of more gun control hasn't worked?   Or do you want to continue to define insanity?


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

AnomanderRake wrote:Haha dammit Bob no I don't know. For whatever it's worth, I believe in any assembly's right to disarm those who choose to attend said assembly as a pre-requisite for entry, though I do find this particular instance ironic.

I also am adamantly opposed to any non-LEO carrying a weapon in schools, hospitals, and many other buildings.

I'm sure the NRA and the fine American patriots who hold the 2nd Amendment so dearly to their hearts are upset... right??

I mean, because, as we all know, more guns = more safety... and an unarmed society is a vulnerable society.

AnomanderRake wrote:

I would love for X to step in here because I feel like the government is heavily to blame for the violent nature of US culture. Prohibition for example led to the growth of organized crime which has only expanded throughout the war on drugs. At this point though our violent culture is what it is, and you can't legislate your way out of a violent culture. I don't think more gun control is the answer, but I know that less gun control is also not the answer.

Laws mean nothing if we don't first and foremost respect each other's lives and property more than our own greed. I think the question we should all be asking ourselves is how do we change our culture to become less violent?

LooseGoose wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
I'm sure the NRA and the fine American patriots who hold the 2nd Amendment so dearly to their hearts are upset... right??

I mean, because, as we all know, more guns = more safety... and an unarmed society is a vulnerable society.

I'm sorry that guns make you nervous.