Another opinion on the election

Probably more accurate than not. I do see guys like the Dude who are just so fucking racist they they can't think past their hatred will have single reasons for who they vote for, but I think this is a fairly accurate accounting.

The divide between rural and city America

When Ted Cruz campaigned in a neighboring town in 2015, I watched as a couple of dozen grade-school pupils sat at his feet, as if they were at a children’s service at church. His campaign speech was nearly a sermon, and the children listened wide-eyed when he told them the world is a scary place, and it’s godly men like him who are going to save them from the evils of President Obama, Hillary Clinton and their fellow Democrats.

They are conservative, believe in hard work, family, the military and cops, and they know that abortion and socialism are evil, that Jesus Christ is our savior, and that Donald J. Trump will be good for America.

so they voted for an admitted sexual predator..

good article

CheesySpartan wrote:good article

I thought it was a reasonable one. I think republicans have established themselves for years in rural America. The author says even if Trump fails mightily it still most likely will be red.

nice little cross-section of America.. thanks, mainstream media, for this insightful article..  

DWags wrote:

CheesySpartan wrote:good article

I thought it was a reasonable one.

I was in rural IA for the holidays (wife's family is there) and surrounded by lots of people with this thought process. The article has some solid validity based on those personal interactions. It's too far right for me but this thinking is definitely out there.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

nice little cross-section of America.. thanks, mainstream media, for this insightful article..  

I don't think you read the article.

DWags wrote:Probably more accurate than not. I do see guys like the Dude who are just so fucking racist they they can't think past their hatred will have single reasons for who they vote for, but I think this is a fairly accurate accounting.

The divide between rural and city America

Economy has been terrible for people not in coastal cities by and large.

No surprise they chose someone to implement change and fight for them instead of voting in a status quo, do nothing person.

They voted for change with Obama and gave him 8 years to deliver economically. Instead, hes going down as one of the biggest economic failures we have ever seen.

Yes, the right finally won a major culture war. The left went off the deep end culturally and just became too weird for average Americans. Everything foreign and Islamic good. Anything American and Christian bad. We as Americans have a right to our own culture and country.

But the overall theme that you can belittle people and try to tell them what the think only so much before they stick their finger in your eye.  Trump was the finger in the eye.

It was painfully obvious to everyone who doesnt live in a liberal echo chamber.

CheesySpartan wrote:

DWags wrote:

I thought it was a reasonable one.

I was in rural IA for the holidays (wife's family is there) and surrounded by lots of people with this thought process. The article has some solid validity based on those personal interactions. It's too far right for me but this thinking is definitely out there.

I grew up in rural northern Michigan. Know the people like that. And they are hard workers.

This paragraph hits the nail on the head, and is really the reason why democrats dont solve issues.

"Mr. Watts talked about the 2015 movie theater shooting in Lafayette, La., in which two people were killed. Mr. Watts said that Republicans knew that the gunman was a bad man, doing a bad thing. Democrats, he added, “would look for other causes — that the man was basically good, but that it was the guns, society or some other place where the blame lies and then they will want to control the guns, or something else — not the man.” Republicans, he said, don’t need to look anywhere else for the blame."

DWags wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

nice little cross-section of America.. thanks, mainstream media, for this insightful article..   

I don't think you read the article.  

I did.. got a kick out of it.

maybe we see things differently. Which is cool.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

DWags wrote:

I don't think you read the article.

I did.. got a kick out of it.

maybe we see things differently. Which is cool.

I never discounted your belief that many people voted due to racism/sexism/email etc, but there are legitimate reasons brought up in that article for the rights surge in rural America.

DWags wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I did.. got a kick out of it.

maybe we see things differently. Which is cool.

I never discounted your belief that many people voted due to racism/sexism/email etc, but there are legitimate reasons brought up in that article for the rights surge in rural America.

the issues might be legitimate to them if they choose to listen to the mainstream media and refuse to take responsibility for themselves.. I'm not saying they don't believe in whatever truth they believe in. I merely suggest that their truth is grossly misinformed and they're allowing themselves to be manipulated.

DWags wrote:Probably more accurate than not.   I do see guys like the Dude who are just so fucking racist they they can't think past their hatred will have single reasons for who they vote for, but I think this is a fairly accurate accounting.

The divide between rural and city America

here's another good mainstream media article (you've been warned) where white christians pretend to feel disenfranchised in a country founded by... white christians.



How Nostalgia For White Christian America Drove So Many Americans To Vote for Trump

some of the more comedic excerpts:

If only his city and the rest of America could return to the 1950s again.

“Now it’s about secular progressivism, not the values you get out of this book,” like honesty and hard work, said Rowe, 72, jabbing his finger at the leather Bible on his office desk.

Seventy-four percent of white evangelicals believe American culture has mostly changed for the worse since the 1950s

(that happens to coincide with when colored people started being told that they had value.... ya know.. like.. people)

“We’re losing control of our freedoms,” Staples said. “The government was taking away our rights. Taxes are higher, our jobs are gone, and it just feels less Christian.”

The church has to be a good steward of its money, so there are criteria for assistance, and she asks whether people attend church regularly. African Americans who have voiced concerns over what Trump will do for the poor would have a different perspective if they tried harder to help themselves, she said.

“I think black people think they’re owed something,” she said. “I think if they acted differently people would be apt to help them.”

Just finished Jane Cheever's Drinking in America, Our Secret History.

It was rural voters and residents that got the 18th Ammendment into the US Constitution.

GRR Spartan wrote:Just finished Jane Cheever's Drinking in America, Our Secret History.

It was rural voters and residents that got the 18th Ammendment into the US Constitution.

And it was the dollar bill that got it out.

I have posted this before in similar threads and will continue to post it until you guys acknowledge the truth.

It is unequivocally false that this election was won by a "resurgence" or "revival" or whatever the hell you want to call it, of rural America. The data not only does not support that conclusion, but actually disproves it. None of these opinion pieces acknowledge that fact, because it's not a fun click-bait narrative.

Clinton and the DNC lost the election due to lack of participation by democratic voters. Their campaign was not inspiring enough to get the people out to vote that voted in Obama twice. Obama saw this decline in his re-election and the trend continued in the 2016 election. It has been a characteristic of the Democratic party for decades, their voting base is fickle and inconsistent in participation.

We can argue all day or night about why Democrats weren't excited about Clinton or why overall voter participation was down. However, this narrative that Trump converted independents and democrats, or conjured some surge in rural voters is just false. This is the same Republican base that has always existed, voted consistently historically and continues to vote consistently. How quickly they fell in line as Trump crushed their favorite candidates one by one in the primary.

AnomanderRake wrote:I have posted this before in similar threads and will continue to post it until you guys acknowledge the truth.

It is unequivocally false that this election was won by a "resurgence" or "revival" or whatever the hell you want to call it, of rural America. The data not only does not support that conclusion, but actually disproves it. None of these opinion pieces acknowledge that fact, because it's not a fun click-bait narrative.

Clinton and the DNC lost the election due to lack of participation by democratic voters. Their campaign was not inspiring enough to get the people out to vote that voted in Obama twice. Obama saw this decline in his re-election and the trend continued in the 2016 election. It has been a characteristic of the Democratic party for decades, their voting base is fickle and inconsistent in participation.

We can argue all day or night about why Democrats weren't excited about Clinton or why overall voter participation was down. However, this narrative that Trump converted independents and democrats, or conjured some surge in rural voters is just false. This is the same Republican base that has always existed, voted consistently historically and continues to vote consistently. How quickly they fell in line as Trump crushed their favorite candidates one by one in the primary.

Hillary Clinton won more votes than any white male in the history of the US presidential election.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

AnomanderRake wrote:I have posted this before in similar threads and will continue to post it until you guys acknowledge the truth.

It is unequivocally false that this election was won by a "resurgence" or "revival" or whatever the hell you want to call it, of rural America. The data not only does not support that conclusion, but actually disproves it. None of these opinion pieces acknowledge that fact, because it's not a fun click-bait narrative.

Clinton and the DNC lost the election due to lack of participation by democratic voters. Their campaign was not inspiring enough to get the people out to vote that voted in Obama twice. Obama saw this decline in his re-election and the trend continued in the 2016 election. It has been a characteristic of the Democratic party for decades, their voting base is fickle and inconsistent in participation.

We can argue all day or night about why Democrats weren't excited about Clinton or why overall voter participation was down. However, this narrative that Trump converted independents and democrats, or conjured some surge in rural voters is just false. This is the same Republican base that has always existed, voted consistently historically and continues to vote consistently. How quickly they fell in line as Trump crushed their favorite candidates one by one in the primary.

Hillary Clinton won more votes than any white male in the history of the US presidential election.

You're right Bob I should have been more clear. Democrats didn't turn out in the states that they needed to, in order to secure enough electoral college votes.

AnomanderRake wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:Hillary Clinton won more votes than any white male in the history of the US presidential election.

You're right Bob I should have been more clear. Democrats didn't turn out in the states that they needed to, in order to secure enough electoral college votes.

and that is true.

I think that's where the mainstream media voter suppression motivations, along with the Russian and US government colluding with Trump impacted the Hillary campaign.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

AnomanderRake wrote:

You're right Bob I should have been more clear. Democrats didn't turn out in the states that they needed to, in order to secure enough electoral college votes.

and that is true.

I think that's where the mainstream media voter suppression motivations, along with the Russian and US government colluding with Trump impacted the Hillary campaign.

Yeah, that was the problem, Hillary being an unmotivated, unlikable, disingenuous candidate had nothing to do with it.

I.B. Fine wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:and that is true.

I think that's where the mainstream media voter suppression motivations, along with the Russian and US government colluding with Trump impacted the Hillary campaign.

Yeah, that was the problem, Hillary being an unmotivated, unlikable, disingenuous candidate had nothing to do with it.

she also had an email account..

Robert J Sakimano wrote:the issues might be legitimate to them if they choose to listen to the mainstream media and refuse to take responsibility for themselves.. I'm not saying they don't believe in whatever truth they believe in. I merely suggest that their truth is grossly misinformed and they're allowing themselves to be manipulated.

Says the man that makes up grossly untruthful statements everyday then peddles them over and over as truth.

I.B. Fine wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
and that is true.

I think that's where the mainstream media voter suppression motivations, along with the Russian and US government colluding with Trump impacted the Hillary campaign.

Yeah, that was the problem, Hillary being an unmotivated, unlikable, disingenuous candidate had nothing to do with it.

Unmotivated?

AnomanderRake wrote:I have posted this before in similar threads and will continue to post it until you guys acknowledge the truth.

It is unequivocally false that this election was won by a "resurgence" or "revival" or whatever the hell you want to call it, of rural America. The data not only does not support that conclusion, but actually disproves it. None of these opinion pieces acknowledge that fact, because it's not a fun click-bait narrative.

Clinton and the DNC lost the election due to lack of participation by democratic voters. Their campaign was not inspiring enough to get the people out to vote that voted in Obama twice. Obama saw this decline in his re-election and the trend continued in the 2016 election. It has been a characteristic of the Democratic party for decades, their voting base is fickle and inconsistent in participation.

We can argue all day or night about why Democrats weren't excited about Clinton or why overall voter participation was down. However, this narrative that Trump converted independents and democrats, or conjured some surge in rural voters is just false. This is the same Republican base that has always existed, voted consistently historically and continues to vote consistently. How quickly they fell in line as Trump crushed their favorite candidates one by one in the primary.

Good article, Dwags.

I agree with you, Anormanderake. I think one thing that article hints at but doesn't address is that those areas just don't have opportunities for the liberals that are often better educated. We cluster in a few cities, and on the coasts. We are hands down the majority in this country as demonstrated by the total that Hillary won the popular vote by, we are just held back by the electoral college that gives too much power to rural America.

The red states complain that they don't want California running the country but they have no problem with all of the money they receive from us.

steveschneider wrote:

AnomanderRake wrote:I have posted this before in similar threads and will continue to post it until you guys acknowledge the truth.

It is unequivocally false that this election was won by a "resurgence" or "revival" or whatever the hell you want to call it, of rural America. The data not only does not support that conclusion, but actually disproves it. None of these opinion pieces acknowledge that fact, because it's not a fun click-bait narrative.

Clinton and the DNC lost the election due to lack of participation by democratic voters. Their campaign was not inspiring enough to get the people out to vote that voted in Obama twice. Obama saw this decline in his re-election and the trend continued in the 2016 election. It has been a characteristic of the Democratic party for decades, their voting base is fickle and inconsistent in participation.

We can argue all day or night about why Democrats weren't excited about Clinton or why overall voter participation was down. However, this narrative that Trump converted independents and democrats, or conjured some surge in rural voters is just false. This is the same Republican base that has always existed, voted consistently historically and continues to vote consistently. How quickly they fell in line as Trump crushed their favorite candidates one by one in the primary.

Good article, Dwags.

I agree with you, Anormanderake. I think one thing that article hints at but doesn't address is that those areas just don't have opportunities for the liberals that are often better educated. We cluster in a few cities, and on the coasts. We are hands down the majority in this country as demonstrated by the total that Hillary won the popular vote by, we are just held back by the electoral college that gives too much power to rural America.

The red states complain that they don't want California running the country but they have no problem with all of the money they receive from us.

you're not suggesting that the fine, rural, patriotic christian folks who just want their country back are hypocritical, are you?

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

Good article, Dwags.

I agree with you, Anormanderake. I think one thing that article hints at but doesn't address is that those areas just don't have opportunities for the liberals that are often better educated. We cluster in a few cities, and on the coasts. We are hands down the majority in this country as demonstrated by the total that Hillary won the popular vote by, we are just held back by the electoral college that gives too much power to rural America.

The red states complain that they don't want California running the country but they have no problem with all of the money they receive from us.

you're not suggesting that the fine, rural, patriotic christian folks who just want their country back are hypocritical, are you?

Great folks, and I sympathize with their problems. I was watching PBS News Hour the other week and they summed up Trump voters as 'successful people, that live in unsuccessful areas.'. There's a lot of hard working folks in rural America, just the world has changed.

steveschneider wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
you're not suggesting that the fine, rural, patriotic christian folks who just want their country back are hypocritical, are you?

Great folks, and I sympathize with their problems. I was watching PBS News Hour the other week and they summed up Trump voters as 'successful people, that live in unsuccessful areas.'. There's a lot of hard working folks in rural America, just the world has changed.

I have a hard time sympathizing with someone who supports an admitted rapist.

of course, Hillary had an email account.. so, yeah.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

Great folks, and I sympathize with their problems. I was watching PBS News Hour the other week and they summed up Trump voters as 'successful people, that live in unsuccessful areas.'. There's a lot of hard working folks in rural America, just the world has changed.

I have a hard time sympathizing with someone who supports an admitted rapist.

of course, Hillary had an email account.. so, yeah.  

I've read Washington Post articles that make a solid argument that Bill Clinton wouldn't be able to get elected today because of all of the sexual assault allegations against him. Pre-internet he pulled it off. That being said, a good counter argument to the Washington Post article is that Trump was able to pull it off so I dunno.

steveschneider wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
I have a hard time sympathizing with someone who supports an admitted rapist.

of course, Hillary had an email account.. so, yeah.  

I've read Washington Post articles that make a solid argument that Bill Clinton wouldn't be able to get elected today because of all of the sexual assault allegations against him. Pre-internet he pulled it off. That being said, a good counter argument to the Washington Post article is that Trump was able to pull it off so I dunno.

a) Bill Clinton has never admitted to sexually assaulting someone.
b) Donald Trump has admitted to sexually assaulting many women.
c) His supporters don't care because they, too, are racist, misogynists who are willing to push their morals aside for their political agenda.


the next 4 years are gonna be fun for people like me.  

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

I've read Washington Post articles that make a solid argument that Bill Clinton wouldn't be able to get elected today because of all of the sexual assault allegations against him. Pre-internet he pulled it off. That being said, a good counter argument to the Washington Post article is that Trump was able to pull it off so I dunno.

a) Bill Clinton has never admitted to sexually assaulting someone.
b) Donald Trump has admitted to sexually assaulting many women.
c) His supporters don't care because they, too, are racist, misogynists who are willing to push their morals aside for their political agenda.


the next 4 years are gonna be fun for people like me.  

The alarming thing about Trump when his accusers came forward he gaslighted them and created outrageous diversions over Twitter to control the narrative.

Today he's tweeting about the apprentice ratings and building the wall. A pure distraction from ACA and the Russian hackings. Our press needs to learn how to cover Trump more effectively.

As long as you don't admit to your sexual assaults, it's all good?

steveschneider wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
a) Bill Clinton has never admitted to sexually assaulting someone.
b) Donald Trump has admitted to sexually assaulting many women.
c) His supporters don't care because they, too, are racist, misogynists who are willing to push their morals aside for their political agenda.


the next 4 years are gonna be fun for people like me.  

The alarming thing about Trump when his accusers came forward he gaslighted them and created outrageous diversions over Twitter to control the narrative.

Today he's tweeting about the apprentice ratings and building the wall. A pure distraction from ACA and the Russian hackings. Our press needs to learn how to cover Trump more effectively.

why would the mainstream media cover him more effectively?

they played a large role in getting him elected.. they stand the most to gain by not covering him effectively.

xsanguine wrote:As long as you don't admit to your sexual assaults, it's all good?

depends on your supporters.

supporters of Cheeto Hitler don't care that he's an admitted rapist.

oh - and 80% of evangelical christian voted for an admitted rapist.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

xsanguine wrote:As long as you don't admit to your sexual assaults, it's all good?

depends on your supporters.

supporters of Cheeto Hitler don't care that he's an admitted rapist.

oh - and 80% of evangelical christian voted for an admitted rapist.

Who did he rape?

xsanguine wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:depends on your supporters.

supporters of Cheeto Hitler don't care that he's an admitted rapist.

oh - and 80% of evangelical christian voted for an admitted rapist.

Who did he rape?

he didn't give their names.. just referred to them as "women" - and how he went about doing it.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

xsanguine wrote:As long as you don't admit to your sexual assaults, it's all good?

depends on your supporters.

supporters of Cheeto Hitler don't care that he's an admitted rapist.

oh - and 80% of evangelical christian voted for an admitted rapist.

lol @ Bobby dodging an answer to a direct question.

lol @ Bobby dodging an answer to a direct question.

just when I thought the snowflake deplorables might make it through a Friday without needing a safe space..