2014 team vs. 2018 team

Who ya got?

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I'll take 2018, but it's close. JJJ better than Payne, Bridges better than Dawson, but Harris much better than any of our current guards.

Cameron wrote:I'll take 2018, but it's close. JJJ better than Payne, Bridges better than Dawson, but Harris much better than any of our current guards.

All day I have been wondering if Cameron would take 2014 or 2018. Thanks for starting this thread!

Turtleneck wrote:

Cameron wrote:I'll take 2018, but it's close. JJJ better than Payne, Bridges better than Dawson, but Harris much better than any of our current guards.

All day I have been wondering if Cameron would take 2014 or 2018. Thanks for starting this thread!

I live to serve.

Cameron wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:

All day I have been wondering if Cameron would take 2014 or 2018. Thanks for starting this thread!

I live to serve.

That is what makes you a great human being.

Where you at Cameron?  

.08?
.10
.15
or do you think you're pushing .20 or greater?

DWags wrote:Where you at Cameron?  

.08?
.10
.15
or do you think you're pushing .20 or greater?

Honestly, I have a breathalyzer somewhere, I'll finish this drink then check.

Is this really a dumb topic?

DWags wrote:Where you at Cameron?  

.08?
.10
.15
or do you think you're pushing .20 or greater?

.126

Weak shit, I need to step my game up. Time for shots

Cameron wrote:

DWags wrote:Where you at Cameron?  

.08?
.10
.15
or do you think you're pushing .20 or greater?

.126

Weak shit, I need to step my game up. Time for shots

Nice.   It's still only 5:56 EST.  Be safe, but have fun.

2014 team because Izzos offense wasn’t as stale as it has become four years later.

2014. No question.

Hey Steve,

This team ranks 31st in points per game out of 351 DI programs, and it's scoring almost 10 more points per game than last year. This team ranks in the top 10 for offensive efficiency, too. To summarize, get a clue.

Sincerely,

Turtleneck

Oh, and as you keep begging for Izzo to emulate Beilein, keep in mind Michigan ranks 170th in points per game, and 43rd in offensive efficiency.

Turtleneck wrote:Oh, and as you keep begging for Izzo to emulate Beilein, keep in mind Michigan ranks 170th in points per game, and 43rd in offensive efficiency.

And  2-0 against us which absolutely cost us a Number 1 seed.

DWags wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:Oh, and as you keep begging for Izzo to emulate Beilein, keep in mind Michigan ranks 170th in points per game, and 43rd in offensive efficiency.

And  2-0 against us which absolutely cost us a Number 1 seed.

Yes, but that does not mean I want Izzo to throw it all out and copy Beilein. That is not how it works, DWags. Running around saying Izzo's offense is "stale" and he should "be more like Beilein" makes no sense. None.

Turtleneck wrote:

DWags wrote:

And  2-0 against us which absolutely cost us a Number 1 seed.

Yes, but that does not mean I want Izzo to throw it all out and copy Beilein. That is not how it works, DWags. Running around saying Izzo's offense is "stale" and he should "be more like Beilein" makes no sense. None.

Thank you for not being a filthy blue.

Turtleneck wrote:Oh, and as you keep begging for Izzo to emulate Beilein, keep in mind Michigan ranks 170th in points per game, and 43rd in offensive efficiency.

Michigan has improved and is peeking at the right time. They have a quality win over OSU, MSU and they could take the B10 tomorrow. I bet their offensive numbers from February up to now tell a different story.

Turtleneck wrote:

DWags wrote:

And  2-0 against us which absolutely cost us a Number 1 seed.

Yes, but that does not mean I want Izzo to throw it all out and copy Beilein. That is not how it works, DWags. Running around saying Izzo's offense is "stale" and he should "be more like Beilein" makes no sense. None.

If we lose to Michigan, I have nothing to live vicariously through.  If that happens my manhood suffers.  If my manhgood suffers I have to lash out at internet people to make me feel better about myself.  I need to blame Izzo for us not having a one seed.  I don't care about match ups I only care about me.  thanks.

He’d also do good taking one tip from Beilein’s defense. Stop fouling so much! The days of practicing with football pads and playing bump and grind basketball are over.

Steve,

On 2/1, Michigan ranked 168th in points per game and 51st in offensive efficiency. MSU did go from 15th to 31st in points per game between 2/1 and 3/1, but their offensive efficiency ranking did not move. Do some research, Steve. You're embarrassing yourself.

steveschneider wrote:He’d also do good taking one tip from Beilein’s defense. Stop fouling so much! The days of practicing with football pads and playing bump and grind basketball are over.

How many times has this team practiced in football pads, steve? I think that's part of the "MSU is a tough, physical team" narrative that influences the way refs call fouls in our games, and I think it's outdated.

Turtleneck wrote:Steve,

On 2/1, Michigan ranked 168th in points per game and 51st in offensive efficiency. MSU did go from 15th to 31st in points per game between 2/1 and 3/1, but their offensive efficiency ranking did not move. Do some research, Steve. You're embarrassing yourself.

From 2/1 to current or just 2/1?

steveschneider wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:Steve,

On 2/1, Michigan ranked 168th in points per game and 51st in offensive efficiency. MSU did go from 15th to 31st in points per game between 2/1 and 3/1, but their offensive efficiency ranking did not move. Do some research, Steve. You're embarrassing yourself.

From 2/1 to current or just 2/1?

What do you think it means when I type "between 2/1 and 3/1," Steve?

Turtleneck wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

From 2/1 to current or just 2/1?

What do you think it means when I type "between 2/1 and 3/1," Steve?

You put ‘on 2/1 Michigan ranked’ doesn’t sound like a date range to me. Sorry I asked.

It’s from 2/1-3/1. Their offense has become more efficient, but they are score a little less per game. I think the real story is their defense.

Turtleneck wrote:

It’s from 2/1-3/1. Their offense has become more efficient, but they are score a little less per game. I think the real story is their defense.

Yeah, their d is good too.

Thanks for providing the data, I’m going off what I see in the games and obviously not the best measure. I’ve watched Michigan vs Ohio State, vs us, and I watched them vs Iowa. In those games they were great at driving and drawing fouls, having multiple scorers on the floor at once and having players come off the bench and hit big shots. Also, I can’t stand Wagner but that guy has an extra gear. I wish Miles had his killer instinct.

Can’t seem to find the great WBH callout.

Biggest difference b/t the 2014 and 2018 teams is four years.

2014 team was the most talented starting 5 we ever had out there. I don't know what the callout is. We fit together well enough to win the Natty and we probably should have, but the most important piece of the puzzle got hurt midway through the season and was never the same.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:2014 team was the most talented starting 5 we ever had out there. I don't know what the callout is. We fit together well enough to win the Natty and we probably should have, but the most important piece of the puzzle got hurt midway through the season and was never the same.

Uh, the callout is where you supposedly called out Steve last year for his bad take.

I don't start that many threads. There is a reason.

Turtleneck wrote:

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:2014 team was the most talented starting 5 we ever had out there. I don't know what the callout is. We fit together well enough to win the Natty and we probably should have, but the most important piece of the puzzle got hurt midway through the season and was never the same.

Uh, the callout is where you supposedly called out Steve last year for his bad take.

I've called him out many times in many threads. I've been low key mocking him since his trip to MSG made him an offensive basketball mastermind. Steve knows this.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:

Uh, the callout is where you supposedly called out Steve last year for his bad take.

I've called him out many times in many threads. I've been low key mocking him since his trip to MSG made him an offensive basketball mastermind. Steve knows this.

Calling me out? We both agree that the 2014 team > 2018.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:

Uh, the callout is where you supposedly called out Steve last year for his bad take.

I've called him out many times in many threads. I've been low key mocking him since his trip to MSG made him an offensive basketball mastermind. Steve knows this.

So what you’re doing...is that what people always accuse Nigel of doing? You know, starting an “I told you so” thread about something that is 12 months old?

steveschneider wrote:

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:

I've called him out many times in many threads. I've been low key mocking him since his trip to MSG made him an offensive basketball mastermind. Steve knows this.

Calling me out? We both agree that the 2014 team > 2018.

You might have been called out here: https://spartanswill.forumotion.com/t20123-basketball-for-steve

Turtleneck wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

Calling me out? We both agree that the 2014 team > 2018.

You might have been called out here: https://spartanswill.forumotion.com/t20123-basketball-for-steve

That was the thread where I was meant to rue the day that I called Izzos offense stale and argued that he needed to modernize it.

steveschneider wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:

You might have been called out here: https://spartanswill.forumotion.com/t20123-basketball-for-steve

That was the thread where I was meant to rue the day that I called Izzos offense stale and argued that he needed to modernize it.

Yes, and if you read through this thread from last year where you were on a big "Izzo has a stale offense, needs to be more like Beilein" kick, WBH is not actually calling you out (contrary to his claim he was always calling you out).