Shut up Hillary

Cameron wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: yeah, Steve - take your cues from the deplorables.

Kudos on the reading comprehension, Bob, that is EXACTLY what I was saying.

I just enjoy mocking the racist, bigoted christian misogynists whenever I can.

though it is a little weird, though certainly not surprising, how people tend to lend them more credibility than they deserve.

Hillary Clinton is a 21st Century version of the late former Congresswoman and Lt Gov. Martha Griffiths whose mental decline and unpredictability that replaced caused her to be replaced on the ticket when Blanchard ran for his 3rd term.

Anytime a reporter needed a quote about Jim Blanchard or the Democrats that had her replaced, Martha was available to stir the pot.

If Hillary truly wants Trump replaced with a Democrat it’s time for her to sit and quietly work behind the scenes to get whoever is nominated to defeat Trump.

GRR Spartan wrote:Hillary Clinton is a 21st Century version of the late former Congresswoman and Lt Gov. Martha Griffiths whose mental decline and unpredictability that replaced caused her to be replaced on the ticket when Blanchard ran for his 3rd term.

Anytime a reporter needed a quote about Jim Blanchard or the Democrats that had her replaced, Martha was available to stir the pot.

If Hillary truly wants Trump replaced with a Democrat it’s time for her to sit and quietly work behind the scenes to get whoever is nominated to defeat Trump.

I'll never understand this way of thinking.

I'm not real smart.. obviously - but it just doesn't make sense to me.

Cameron wrote:

steveschneider wrote:Also, it doesn't really matter Biden is going to had Bernie another defeat. Why? Because he's running a better campaign and has a better platform.

Vastly more centrist and establishment friendly =/= better.

You do realize that his platform is far more to the left than where they were in 2008? Progress is happening. I think most voters like Obamacare and see Biden as a chance to improve on it. People like his platform and unlike Bernie his chances of getting stuff through the house/senate is actually realistic.

steveschneider wrote:

Cameron wrote:

Vastly more centrist and establishment friendly =/= better.

You do realize that his platform is far more to the left than where they were in 2008? Progress is happening. I think most voters like Obamacare and see Biden as a chance to improve on it. People like his platform and unlike Bernie his chances of getting stuff through the house/senate is actually realistic.

Simpletons and spineless compromisers like his platform.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote:Hillary Clinton is a 21st Century version of the late former Congresswoman and Lt Gov. Martha Griffiths whose mental decline and unpredictability that replaced caused her to be replaced on the ticket when Blanchard ran for his 3rd term.

Anytime a reporter needed a quote about Jim Blanchard or the Democrats that had her replaced, Martha was available to stir the pot.

If Hillary truly wants Trump replaced with a Democrat it’s time for her to sit and quietly work behind the scenes to get whoever is nominated to defeat Trump.

I'll never understand this way of thinking.

I'm not real smart.. obviously - but it just doesn't make sense to me.

Publicly undermining someone who might end up as the nominee is not the best path towards electoral success for the Democrats. It's not complicated. But, like you said, you're not very smart.

Cameron wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

You do realize that his platform is far more to the left than where they were in 2008? Progress is happening. I think most voters like Obamacare and see Biden as a chance to improve on it. People like his platform and unlike Bernie his chances of getting stuff through the house/senate is actually realistic.

Simpletons and spineless compromisers like his platform.

Actually marginalized folks tend to like it. African Americans favor it, and so does the LGBTQ community. They both favored Hillary Clinton heavily over Bernie. You know why? Because they stand more to lose and they understand how congress and the senate work.

Socialist will come out to vote for Bernie running as a Dem. They won’t show up and vote for anyone else running as a Dem. They're bitter and self centered.

Cameron wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
I'll never understand this way of thinking.

I'm not real smart.. obviously - but it just doesn't make sense to me.

Publicly undermining someone who might end up as the nominee is not the best path towards electoral success for the Democrats. It's not complicated. But, like you said, you're not very smart.

I'm definitely not very smart.

but that doesn't mean that Hillary can't have an opinion.. Bernie can have his opinion.. the racist, bigoted misogynistic deplorables can have their opinion.. the mainstream media can appeal to stupid Americans.. we can all process all of their opinions individually and vote accordingly.

if you wanna live in a country where someone's told to sit down and shut up because their words make you unhappy, that's cool.. if that's what smart people do, I'm cool with not belonging to the smart kids club.

kingstonlake wrote:Socialist will come out to vote for Bernie running as a Dem. They won’t show up and vote for anyone else running as a Dem. They're bitter and self centered.

yeah, I don't really view Bernie's supporters with much more favorability than I do those who support the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator.

kingstonlake wrote:hey're bitter and self centered.

you misspelled "boomer"

kingstonlake wrote:Socialist will come out to vote for Bernie running as a Dem. They won’t show up and vote for anyone else running as a Dem. They're bitter and self centered.

In 2016 25% of his supporters didn't vote for HC and 12% voted Trump.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Cameron wrote:

Publicly undermining someone who might end up as the nominee is not the best path towards electoral success for the Democrats. It's not complicated. But, like you said, you're not very smart.

I'm definitely not very smart.

but that doesn't mean that Hillary can't have an opinion.. Bernie can have his opinion.. the racist, bigoted misogynistic deplorables can have their opinion.. the mainstream media can appeal to stupid Americans.. we can all process all of their opinions individually and vote accordingly.

if you wanna live in a country where someone's told to sit down and shut up because their words make you unhappy, that's cool.. if that's what smart people do, I'm cool with not belonging to the smart kids club.

I'm not in favor of stifling her first amendment rights. I am in favor of other people using their first amendment rights to voice their displeasure with her continued public statements that could potentially be damaging to the eventual democratic nominee. And I am in favor of her being receptive to that criticism. That is the country I want to live in.

It’s easy. Just say “I work like hell to help whoever the nominee is”.

Every time she builds up her political capital, she steps on her own dick.

Cameron wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
I'm definitely not very smart.

but that doesn't mean that Hillary can't have an opinion.. Bernie can have his opinion.. the racist, bigoted misogynistic deplorables can have their opinion.. the mainstream media can appeal to stupid Americans.. we can all process all of their opinions individually and vote accordingly.

if you wanna live in a country where someone's told to sit down and shut up because their words make you unhappy, that's cool.. if that's what smart people do, I'm cool with not belonging to the smart kids club.

I'm not in favor of stifling her first amendment rights. I am in favor of other people using their first amendment rights to voice their displeasure with her continued public statements that could potentially be damaging to the eventual democratic nominee. And I am in favor of her being receptive to that criticism. That is the country I want to live in.

I'm in favor of her (and everyone else) doing what she chooses to do.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Cameron wrote:

I'm not in favor of stifling her first amendment rights. I am in favor of other people using their first amendment rights to voice their displeasure with her continued public statements that could potentially be damaging to the eventual democratic nominee. And I am in favor of her being receptive to that criticism. That is the country I want to live in.

I'm in favor of her (and everyone else) doing what she chooses to do.

I'm definitely in favor of her freedom of choice. But I'm not under any obligation to hold my tongue when she says or does something asinine.

Cameron wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
I'm in favor of her (and everyone else) doing what she chooses to do.

I'm definitely in favor of her freedom of choice. But I'm not under any obligation to hold my tongue when she says or does something asinine.

absolutely, dude.. shout it from the mountain top.

Rocinante wrote:It’s easy. Just say “I work like hell to help whoever the nominee is”.

Every time she builds up her political capital, she steps on her own dick.

She will. Lets not forget it took Bernie over a month to support Hillary Clinton after she handed him a defeat. And as noted his base lacked class and their support was pathetic.

I'm going to pin this thread and bump it when Biden locks up the nomination and all the Sanders supporters are crying like babies.

GRR Spartan wrote:Hillary Clinton is a 21st Century version of the late former Congresswoman and Lt Gov. Martha Griffiths whose mental decline and unpredictability that replaced caused her to be replaced on the ticket when Blanchard ran for his 3rd term.

Anytime a reporter needed a quote about Jim Blanchard or the Democrats that had her replaced, Martha was available to stir the pot.

If Hillary truly wants Trump replaced with a Democrat it’s time for her to sit and quietly work behind the scenes to get whoever is nominated to defeat Trump.

Rocinante wrote:It’s easy.  Just say “I work like hell to help whoever the nominee is”.  

Every time she builds up her political capital, she steps on her own dick.

Last I checked there is no nominee and she can still do that. In the meantime she can say whatever she wants about Bernie.

Turtleneck wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote:Hillary Clinton is a 21st Century version of the late former Congresswoman and Lt Gov. Martha Griffiths whose mental decline and unpredictability that replaced caused her to be replaced on the ticket when Blanchard ran for his 3rd term.

Anytime a reporter needed a quote about Jim Blanchard or the Democrats that had her replaced, Martha was available to stir the pot.

If Hillary truly wants Trump replaced with a Democrat it’s time for her to sit and quietly work behind the scenes to get whoever is nominated to defeat Trump.

Rocinante wrote:It’s easy.  Just say “I work like hell to help whoever the nominee is”.  

Every time she builds up her political capital, she steps on her own dick.

Last I checked there is no nominee and she can still do that. In the meantime she can say whatever she wants about Bernie.

When he loses this go around we should all tell his supporters to shut up and go away.

I don’t even support Bernie. I mean, I’d vote for him if he were the nominee but he’s not “my guy”. You and me saying what we want isn’t the same as Hillary Clinton saying what she wants. There are rifts in the Dem party still about what may or may not have happened in 2016. She doesn’t need to bring it up, and she knows better. Driving folks away from the polls by digging up old shit doesn’t help. Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should.

The Democratic party is such a trainwreck right now. I can't believe after having 4 years to get their shit together they're going to lose to that idiot again.

y2kMgrad wrote:The Democratic party is such a trainwreck right now. I can't believe after having 4 years to get their shit together they're going to lose to that idiot again.

I have the opposite view. Repubs completely taken over by trump, most traditional sane republicans have left the party and they even tried to elect a child molester (endorsed by bannon/trump). They are in complete disarray if you ask me.

The Repubs have sold their souls to Trump and are now ethically bankrupt, but they're all in with him because they have little choice with that base. The Dems keep bickering left and right and can't get on the same page about anything, save beating Trump. I really think he wins again. We'll see I guess.

Hillary claimed to be about party unity in 2016. Her version of party unity saw the Democrats lose MI, PA and WI. Primarily because the same minority voters who helped Obama win twice stayed home for a myriad of reasons.

Politics ain’t bean bag Mr. Sakimano. If Hillary Clinton was a candidate for the 2020 Democratic nomination and was making that remark, I’d cringe but she would have skin in the game.

If the goal of the Democrats is to defeat Trump and his monolithic base, a seasoned Democrat like Hillary Clinton should know better than to give the Trump 2020 campaign any sound bytes that can be replayed in September thru election eve 2020 to help Trump win a second term.

With free speech there is no reason that little Miss Sak can’t tell one or more of her MSU professors they are talking out of their backsides either but it’s wiser to keep those thoughts to herself and share them with you or others privately.

Hillary Clinton knows better and that’s why she’s walking back her remarks.

GRR Spartan wrote:Hillary claimed to be about party unity in 2016. Her version of party unity saw the Democrats lose MI, PA and WI. Primarily because the same minority voters who helped Obama win twice stayed home for a myriad of reasons.

Politics ain’t bean bag Mr. Sakimano. If Hillary Clinton was a candidate for the 2020 Democratic nomination and was making that remark, I’d cringe but she would have skin in the game.

If the goal of the Democrats is to defeat Trump and his monolithic base, a seasoned Democrat like Hillary Clinton should know better than to give the Trump 2020 campaign any sound bytes that can be replayed in September thru election eve 2020 to help Trump win a second term.

With free speech there is no reason that little Miss Sak can’t tell one or more of her MSU professors they are talking out of their backsides either but it’s wiser to keep those thoughts to herself and share them with you or others privately.

Hillary Clinton knows better and that’s why she’s walking back her remarks.

meh..

it's just entertaining how she says something, people are outraged.. she says something else, people are outraged.

after 30+ years of being demonized by the GOP and the mainstream media, I'm used to it. I suspect she is, too - which is why think we both (me and, seemingly, Hillary) find it amusing.

I chuckle every time someone makes a prediction on what will happen come November. Trump's brand is chaos. Nobody knows what new and outrageous predicament the White House will be in by then. Will Trump win again? I don't fucking know. All I do know is that I can't wait to get off this shitty roller coaster.

y2kMgrad wrote:The Repubs have sold their souls to Trump and are now ethically bankrupt, but they're all in with him because they have little choice with that base. The Dems keep bickering left and right and can't get on the same page about anything, save beating Trump. I really think he wins again. We'll see I guess.

What's going on in the dnc is really no different than when the tea party rose up in the republican party but it is on a much smaller scale. Also, if you look at all the dem candidates they agree on more things than disagree. It's a primary and this is normal shit we've seen every election cycle.

Also, dems are doing so much better and winning elections in districts these days that went heavily for Trump. I think he's in deep shit and the people that were on the fence in 2016 and said fuck it I'll give this guy a chance won't be back. The country folk will still vote for Trump, the city folks will vote dem and it's the subburbs vote that went for Trump in 2016 he's lost them. I think he's fucked.

DWags wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: meh..

it's just entertaining how she says something, people are outraged.. she says something else, people are outraged.

after 30+ years of being demonized by the GOP and the mainstream media, I'm used to it. I suspect she is, too - which is why think we both (me and, seemingly, Hillary) find it amusing.

Personally I've lost the ability to be outraged at what politicians say. I find it amusing, sometimes I'd wish they'd shut up kind of like I would wish Jim Carey would shut up during some comedy sketches. It's funny, it's entertaining, it becomes too much. So, I turn away. Much like I think many might turn away from voting from Bernie if Hiliary doesn't want them to in a general election.

I personally think it's become funny as hell she's using the main stream media to wreak havoc on the party that didn't help her out in 2016. two birds, one stone. Revenge is best served with another four years of Trump. I absolutely know two women who will not vote in the general election if Hilliary doesn't tell them to. Which, when you think of it, is funnier than a Jim Carey sketch.

yep. I agree.

America is a stupid country and we get exactly what we deserve.

DWags wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
meh..

it's just entertaining how she says something, people are outraged.. she says something else, people are outraged.

after 30+ years of being demonized by the GOP and the mainstream media, I'm used to it. I suspect she is, too - which is why think we both (me and, seemingly, Hillary) find it amusing.

Personally I've lost the ability to be outraged at what politicians say.  I find it amusing, sometimes I'd wish they'd shut up kind of like I would wish Jim Carey would shut up during some comedy sketches.  It's funny, it's entertaining, it becomes too much.  So, I turn away.  Much like I think many  might turn away from voting from Bernie if Hiliary doesn't want them to in a general election.  

I personally think it's become funny as hell she's using the main stream media to wreak havoc on the party that didn't help her out in 2016.  two birds, one stone.  Revenge is best served with another four years of Trump.  I absolutely know two women who will not vote in the general election if Hilliary doesn't tell them to.  Which, when you think of it, is funnier than a Jim Carey sketch.  

Um, what? Which party didn't help her out in 2016? What are you referring to?

I think you can argue about the degree to which this matters at all (I would argue it’s negligible and that no one will remember next week much less in 10 months, even if bernies the nominee) but at the same time she’s not doing anyone any favors at all by saying anything other than a canned “I’ll support whoever is the nominee”

Sanders has a lot of internet thugs which in the full quote Hillary called out. I see a lot of takes from the Sanders fans about 'imagine once these thugs are directed on Trump?'. The big question is oh yeah, well what is stopping them from going after him now? Crickets.

His thugs are just good at attacking women like Warren, Hillary and the hosts of the View when they say something negative about him. I don't buy for a second they'll do anything against Trump.

Yeah probably. Hopefully she just gives the canned answers so we don’t have to spend that important time talking about her.

But probably not