Can Warren or Sanders beat Trump?

kingstonlake wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

That’s not very specific

Sigh. There is no diversity in the GOP. There is a ton of diversity in the Dem party. More T’s to cross and I’s to dot. It’s much harder for them to please everyone. Some tend to sit on the sidelines if they feel their hot button issues aren’t addressed. A candidate who hits on as many issues that matter is the most electable when it comes to the general election. They can motivate more of their party to get out and vote. I do think Biden hits more issues that more people can get with in a general election. I think Sanders and Warren hit with many in the primaries. I’m not convinced it can carry to the general though. So bottom line I think Biden is more electable than Sanders or Warren. He’s more to the center. Maybe that carries to the general, maybe it doesn’t. I prefer Warren over Biden but I worry her being way farther to the left than Biden May scare some people. I think there needs to be a ticket with balance. But I don’t think old Joe is down with being second fiddle on a ticket again if it came down to it.

kingstonlake wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Electability is determined by who gets the most votes, not some talking head in a box on your tv. not some poll. If everyone just votes for who they like then we will find out who is most electable.

Trump was the most electable republican, obviously. But no one would have said that in August 2015. They would have said the soft racists like jeb and Cruz.

I think you’re a bit to much “all in” on the word electability. Certain candidates are unelectable with certain demographics. I think electability is a real thing. The person getting the most votes isn’t “electability”. Especially as it relates to a vastly diverse party like the Democratic Party. It may be what you think it is in the GOP. There’s very little diversity.

Cameron wrote:Joe Biden and the Electability Racket

steveschneider wrote:

Cameron wrote:Joe Biden and the Electability Racket

It won’t be the DNC’s choice. It will be the voters choice next year when they participate in the primaries.

On August 25, 2018, the Democratic National Committee agreed to reduce the influence of superdelegates by generally preventing them from voting on the first ballot at the Democratic National Convention, allowing their votes only in a contested nomination.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:

I think you’re a bit to much “all in” on the word electability. Certain candidates are unelectable with certain demographics. I think electability is a real thing. The person getting the most votes isn’t “electability”. Especially as it relates to a vastly diverse party like the Democratic Party. It may be what you think it is in the GOP. There’s very little diversity.

You didn’t answer my question Kingston. You said “certain candidates are unelectable with certain demographics” and I asked “which candidates and which demographics” and you don’t seem to want to touch explaining what you mean.

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

It won’t be the DNC’s choice. It will be the voters choice next year when they participate in the primaries.

The DNC still use superdelagates right? People who aren't tied to each individual state's popular vote. That's pretty fucking stupid.

Update: Wikipedia tells me they're only going to be used in case of a "contested nomination". Better, but still dumb.

On August 25, 2018, the Democratic National Committee agreed to reduce the influence of superdelegates by generally preventing them from voting on the first ballot at the Democratic National Convention, allowing their votes only in a contested nomination.

steveschneider wrote:

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

The DNC still use superdelagates right? People who aren't tied to each individual state's popular vote. That's pretty fucking stupid.

Update: Wikipedia tells me they're only going to be used in case of a "contested nomination". Better, but still dumb.

I think the party listened to all the complaints from 2016 and have done a great job so far.  We had over 23 candidates to choose from.

Cameron wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

I think the party listened to all the complaints from 2016 and have done a great job so far.  We had over 23 candidates to choose from.