Wolves or coyotes?

Jake from State Farm wrote:Perhaps the photos are geotagged? Three or four of us could dress up as bigfoot and then head Up North...

Do you prefer your .270 cartridges 130 grain or 150?

Turtleneck wrote:

Jake from State Farm wrote:Perhaps the photos are geotagged? Three or four of us could dress up as bigfoot and then head Up North...

Would Nordic even have to dress up?

This make Nordic sad

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Wolves are actually on the ballot here in Colorado lol.

Make sure they shit in the right box.

kingstonlake wrote:

Jake from State Farm wrote:Perhaps the photos are geotagged? Three or four of us could dress up as bigfoot and then head Up North...

Do you prefer your .270 cartridges 130 grain or 150?

How about .450 Bushmaster 250 grain? Get it over with quick.

kingstonlake wrote:

Jake from State Farm wrote:Perhaps the photos are geotagged? Three or four of us could dress up as bigfoot and then head Up North...

Do you prefer your .270 cartridges 130 grain or 150?

Far lefties have guns?  I thought that was against your rules?

The Pantry wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:

Do you prefer your .270 cartridges 130 grain or 150?

Far lefties have guns?  I thought that was against your rules?

Congrats on two over simplified assumptions in one post.

Jake from State Farm wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:

Do you prefer your .270 cartridges 130 grain or 150?

How about .450 Bushmaster 250 grain? Get it over with quick.

Overkill. I don’t need an exit wound the size of a volleyball. LOL Besides, a little tracking is part of the fun.

kingstonlake wrote:

The Pantry wrote:
Far lefties have guns?  I thought that was against your rules?

Congrats on two over simplified assumptions in one post.

Happens all the time from your side.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/20/us/troy-aikman-joe-buck-flyover-trnd/index.html

Idiot Aikman talking as if Dems don't spend wastefully.

The Pantry wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:

Congrats on two over simplified assumptions in one post.

Happens all the time from your side.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/20/us/troy-aikman-joe-buck-flyover-trnd/index.html

Idiot Aikman talking as if Dems don't spend wastefully.

Not so fast. In national elections, Aikman has only donated to Republican candidates.

Source: https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?cand=&employ=&name=aikman%2C+troy&order=desc&sort=N&state=&zip=

Wolf killed in southern Michigan is first sighting in more than 100 years

Dude mistook it for a coyote he had a license to kill.

Floyd Robertson wrote: Wolf killed in southern Michigan is first sighting in more than 100 years

Dude mistook it for a coyote he had a license to kill.

Wow. Wolfs. Cool they’re back… I guess.

DWags wrote:

Floyd Robertson wrote: Wolf killed in southern Michigan is first sighting in more than 100 years

Dude mistook it for a coyote he had a license to kill.

Wow. Wolfs. Cool they’re back… I guess.

The location of this mind boggling. It's a long, long way from the U.P. to Calhoun county and it's also one county up from the Indiana border. Indiana hasn't seen a grey wolf in the wild since 1908.

Floyd Robertson wrote:

DWags wrote:

Wow. Wolfs. Cool they’re back… I guess.

The location of this mind boggling. It's a long, long way from the U.P. to Calhoun county and it's also one county up from the Indiana border. Indiana hasn't seen a grey wolf in the wild since 1908.

Somebody dropping them?

DWags wrote:

Floyd Robertson wrote:

The location of this mind boggling. It's a long, long way from the U.P. to Calhoun county and it's also one county up from the Indiana border. Indiana hasn't seen a grey wolf in the wild since 1908.

Somebody dropping them?

Valid question.

DWags wrote:

Floyd Robertson wrote:

The location of this mind boggling. It's a long, long way from the U.P. to Calhoun county and it's also one county up from the Indiana border. Indiana hasn't seen a grey wolf in the wild since 1908.

Somebody dropping them?  

Someone's pet?  Malamutes are part wolf.  50%?

Think I'm wrong about malamutes, but I have heard, not sure of truth, of cross breeding malamutes with wolves.

DWags wrote:

Floyd Robertson wrote:

The location of this mind boggling. It's a long, long way from the U.P. to Calhoun county and it's also one county up from the Indiana border. Indiana hasn't seen a grey wolf in the wild since 1908.

Somebody dropping them?

As god as my witness…

I hope the shooter gets charged for killing an endangered species. IDGAF that there was no expectation of seeing a wolf in Calhoun county. The hunter even had a guide with him. Two sets of eyes should have been more than enough to know what he was aiming at was way bigger than any coyote.

tGreenWay wrote:I hope the shooter gets charged for killing an endangered species. IDGAF that there was no expectation of seeing a wolf in Calhoun county. The hunter even had a guide with him. Two sets of eyes should have been more than enough to know what he was aiming at was way bigger than any coyote.

You willing to charge the guide also?

Like you Greenway, but sometimes you post out ur azz

The Pantry wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:I hope the shooter gets charged for killing an endangered species. IDGAF that there was no expectation of seeing a wolf in Calhoun county. The hunter even had a guide with him. Two sets of eyes should have been more than enough to know what he was aiming at was way bigger than any coyote.

You willing to charge the guide also?

Like you Greenway, but sometimes you post out ur azz

It’s illegal, Pantry. Period. Paragraph. Chapter. You want to ignore the law?

tGreenWay wrote:

The Pantry wrote:You willing to charge the guide also?

Like you Greenway, but sometimes you post out ur azz

It’s illegal, Pantry. Period. Paragraph. Chapter. You want to ignore the law?

You didn't answer the question.

The Pantry wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:



It’s illegal, Pantry. Period. Paragraph. Chapter. You want to ignore the law?

You didn't answer the question.

The guide should be fined, yes. Between the two of them, the guide should have known better. These aren’t felonies. As someone who has hunted since I was 12 and been with all types of ethical and sketchy hunters, my educated guess is these guys knew what they were shooting at. They probably agreed they’d only get a hand slapped because the wolf was so out of range.

In my 45 years of hunting I’ve never heard of a guided coyote hunt. The seems odd. Like the knew there was a wolf who just happened to be in the area. Probably a cage release…

I guess in fairness to the Hunter the animal had to be tested to determined that it was in fact a wolf.

Not sure how you charge the guy. Shit, no one would've even known if he didn't get it tested?

That surprises me.

The size difference is something like 15 pounds for a coyote verses 60 to 80 pounds for a wolf.

Maybe shooting across a field without seeing the entire animal, and not thinking "wolf" because it shouldn't have been there, but once it was dead and being carried, they knew what it was.

15 pounds is a lap dog, coyotes are bigger than that.

Cameron wrote:15 pounds is a lap dog, coyotes are bigger than that.

25 pounds maybe, then?

When I see them around my farm, they don't look all that large...

A fully grow coyote would be difficult to distinguish from an 80lb wolf. Especially if you’re not use to having to do so. My experience is they just act different. I’ve only seen two wolves in my life and they both had an agenda. It was weird. You could just tell. Probably both tracking something. I’ve seen a million coyotes and they’re just exploring. Scavenging maybe? Cautiously curious. If I were in Calhoun county the last thing I’d think I was shooting would be a wolf. I mean it can be hard to tell the difference. It’s not like there’s a wolf season in Michigan and people see them all the time. They’re reclusive. 

More updates on Wolfgate.

Dead wolf mystery in south Michigan deepens, prompts criminal probe

kingstonlake wrote:A fully grow coyote would be difficult to distinguish from an 80lb wolf. Especially if you’re not use to having to do so. My experience is they just act different. I’ve only seen two wolves in my life and they both had an agenda. It was weird. You could just tell. Probably both tracking something. I’ve seen a million coyotes and they’re just exploring. Scavenging maybe? Cautiously curious. If I were in Calhoun county the last thing I’d think I was shooting would be a wolf. I mean it can be hard to tell the difference. It’s not like there’s a wolf season in Michigan and people see them all the time. They’re reclusive. 

It is so hard to tell the difference between brown & gray. /s

Was talking about this with the SO. The SO's in-laws once bred malamutes and according to the SO some malamute breeders will try to cross them with wolves, so one thought is this could be an escaped stud.

Sounds to me the hunter is screwed. It says specifically if you are bringing a loaded gun into the woods you better know exactly what you’re shooting at. No excuses. I have no problem with that. If you don’t know or can’t tell the difference, don’t hunt. Seems pretty simple.

I still want to know how that the wolf got there. I’m having a hard time believing it wasn’t dropped.

DWags wrote:Sounds to me the hunter is screwed. It says specifically if you are bringing a loaded gun into the woods you better know exactly what you’re shooting at. No excuses. I have no problem with that. If you don’t know or can’t tell the difference, don’t hunt. Seems pretty simple.

I still want to know how that the wolf got there. I’m having a hard time believing it wasn’t dropped.

Read an article saying shenanigans are afoot. The wolf is from the UP/Wisc/Minn pack group and there is no way it could have swam the straits which hasn't froze in years. (or vacationed in Chicago)....

My guess is the dumbass actually shot it up north, brought it back, then bragged about it on the facebook saying he got it near his home.

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

DWags wrote:Sounds to me the hunter is screwed. It says specifically if you are bringing a loaded gun into the woods you better know exactly what you’re shooting at. No excuses. I have no problem with that. If you don’t know or can’t tell the difference, don’t hunt. Seems pretty simple.

I still want to know how that the wolf got there. I’m having a hard time believing it wasn’t dropped.

Read an article saying shenanigans are afoot. The wolf is from the UP/Wisc/Minn pack group and there is no way it could have swam the straits which hasn't froze in years. (or vacationed in Chicago)....

My guess is the dumbass actually shot it up north, brought it back, then bragged about it on the facebook saying he got it near his home.

You probably just solved the case. I'm embarrassed that I never once thought of someone poaching from up north and bringing it on home. Columbo, I'm not.

Floyd Robertson wrote:

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

Read an article saying shenanigans are afoot. The wolf is from the UP/Wisc/Minn pack group and there is no way it could have swam the straits which hasn't froze in years. (or vacationed in Chicago)....

My guess is the dumbass actually shot it up north, brought it back, then bragged about it on the facebook saying he got it near his home.

You probably just solved the case. I'm embarrassed that I never once thought of someone poaching from up north and bringing it on home. Columbo, I'm not.

Occam's razor, Dr. Wats... er Robertson.

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-environment-watch/hunter-should-not-face-charges-killing-wolf-michigan-gop-lawmakers-say

Good Grief - it sucks that Republicans are all in on selective law enforcement, but how is this political at all.

Someone shoots an animal which looks very little like the animal they were hunting, (much larger & gray verses brown) 90% sure it wasn't a mistake, however under the law that does not matter, and lawmakers want an exception.

Trapper Gus wrote:https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-environment-watch/hunter-should-not-face-charges-killing-wolf-michigan-gop-lawmakers-say

Good Grief - it sucks that Republicans are all in on selective law enforcement, but how is this political at all.

Someone shoots an animal which looks very little like the animal they were hunting, (much larger & gray verses brown) 90% sure it wasn't a mistake, however under the law that does not matter, and lawmakers want an exception.

They're trying to set a precedent if they're ever caught in this predicament.

Probe of wolf shot in south Michigan, far from habitat, focuses on trap wounds

Trap wounds. Very interesting.

Floyd Robertson wrote: Probe of wolf shot in south Michigan, far from habitat, focuses on trap wounds

Trap wounds. Very interesting.

"Trap wound" of that nature if it were some sort of jaw trap seems pretty low on the leg to have held a live wolf, would think if the wolf had any time in the trap, it might have pulled free or just left the bottom of that leg in the trap. Also, would think that any trap with enough force to hold a wolf would have crushed the bones.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Floyd Robertson wrote: Probe of wolf shot in south Michigan, far from habitat, focuses on trap wounds

Trap wounds. Very interesting.

"Trap wound" of that nature if it were some sort of jaw trap seems pretty low on the leg to have held a live wolf, would think if the wolf had any time in the trap, it might have pulled free or just left the bottom of that leg in the trap. Also, would think that any trap with enough force to hold a wolf would have crushed the bones.

I wonder why the farmer whose land they were on, claims that he thinks it might’ve been there for over a year? What proof does he have? Did these hunters have a connection to him? They were hunting on his land. Also, They say there are hundreds of Trail cameras in the area, If it was there for a year, you would think maybe one of them would get a shot

Hunter, who shot the Wolf, is either the greatest actor I’ve ever read, or very naïve, but he comes off as being woefully, ignorant of the laws of Michigan.

It doesn’t matter if he didn’t know it was a wolf, if you are walking out in the woods with a loaded gun, you better know what you were shooting at