2007 vs 2020

Which 14 would you rather have?

Brian Hoyer v Rock Lombardi
Javon Ringer v Connor Heyward
Jehuu Caulcrick v Elijah Collins
Devin Thomas v Jayden Reed
Mark Dell v Jalen Nailor
Blair White v Tre Mosley
Kellen Davis v Matt Dotson
Ervin Baldwin v Jacub Panasiuk
Ogemdi Nwagbuo v Drew Beasley
Jonal Saint-Dic v Naquan Jones
Greg Jones v Noah Harvey
Otis Wiley v Tre Person
SirDarean Adams v Xavier Henderson
Jeremy Ware v Shakur Brown

John L left more in the cupboard. Pretty sad for the greatest coach in MSU history to go out the way he did. But it is what it is.

Some of those guys on the left, like Hoyer, are probably still very good at football. Most of them are out of practice at this point though. Probably pretty out of shape and in their mid 30s by now.

That said I’m thinking the old out of shape people would win by about 10

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Some of those guys on the left, like Hoyer, are probably still very good at football. Most of them are out of practice at this point though. Probably pretty out of shape and in their mid 30s by now.

Damn you Travis.

Lots of NFL players in that 07 list. Not sure the same is true for this year's list, so I'll take 07.

Loved Saint-Dic.

steveschneider wrote:Loved Saint-Dic.

Not coincidentally, that’s Valenti’s pet name for Nick Foles enormous johnson: Saint Dick.

I would rather have 2007 GreenWay.

steveschneider wrote:Loved Saint-Dic.

I remember him fucking ruining ND's O line back in 2007.

Would I rather have a bunch of known commodities or unknown ones...tough call

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:John L left more in the cupboard. Pretty sad for the greatest coach in MSU history to go out the way he did. But it is what it is.

Why do you have to bring Munn and Daugherty into this?

Turtleneck wrote:I would rather have 2007 GreenWay.

So would 2020 GreenWay.

CORNER BLITZ wrote:Would I rather have a bunch of known commodities or unknown ones...tough call

Neither were known commodities in each coaches first year.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:John L left more in the cupboard. Pretty sad for the greatest coach in MSU history to go out the way he did. But it is what it is.

Gee, or maybe the greatest coach in MSU history turned a lot of those guys into good players?

I mean, just to pick a couple of those that stand out as extremely faulty comparisons off the top of my head...

Was anyone jizzing over Hoyer after Dantonio's first game?

Comparing Thomas (a senior) to Reed (a sophomore). Really?

Mark Dell was not left for Dantonio, he was recruited by Dantonio.

Greg Jones was not left for MD, he was recruited by MD.

Blair White, really? He was a RS freshman walk on that no one had heard of when JLS left. He only had 3 catches in MD's first year.

kingstonlake wrote:

CORNER BLITZ wrote:Would I rather have a bunch of known commodities or unknown ones...tough call

Neither were known commodities in each coaches first year.

Some were known quantities when MD took over, but you're comparing where they ended up after 1-4 years with MD, versus where they are after no spring, vivid delays, and 1 game under Tucker.

Surprising people still can’t admit Dantonio didn’t do the program any favors on his way out but fans gonna fan.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Surprising people still can’t admit Dantonio didn’t do the program any favors on his way out but fans gonna fan.

Facts hurt, don't they?

MiamiSpartan wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:

Neither were known commodities in each coaches first year.

Some were known quantities when MD took over, but you're comparing where they ended up after 1-4 years with MD, versus where they are after no spring, vivid delays, and 1 game under Tucker.

No. I'm comparing rosters in each coaches first year. You could say some on both sides were known commodities. But I'd say it's tough since each coaches has their own philosophy on offense and defense so those commodities might be good or not. Depends. It's more of a roster comparison. I believe Dantonio went 7-6 with what he was left from John L.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:John L left more in the cupboard. Pretty sad for the greatest coach in MSU history to go out the way he did. But it is what it is.

Mark Dell was not left for Dantonio, he was recruited by Dantonio.

Greg Jones was not left for MD, he was recruited by MD.

That's interesting....... Must have been nice, lol

It was positional comparison list BTW. Not meant to be class related.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Surprising people still can’t admit Dantonio didn’t do the program any favors on his way out but fans gonna fan.

Facts hurt, don't they?

The fact that Dantonio got to recruit some players? Or which fact?

MiamiSpartan wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:

Neither were known commodities in each coaches first year.

Some were known quantities when MD took over, but you're comparing where they ended up after 1-4 years with MD, versus where they are after no spring, vivid delays, and 1 game under Tucker.

This


Plus Blair White wasn't even a thought till the bowl game with most other WRs out of that game

I'll be honest for me, JLS said all the right things coming in. When he said at the end of the game the team that scores the most points wins I was like sign me up. I was all for just watching a team play on Saturdays and putting 30-40 up on the score board. I'll also say when he slapped himself that was probably the most humiliating point of my Spartan career as a fan. That was one of those days where you ask yourself if you have to put on the paper sack when you go to watch a game.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Facts hurt, don't they?

The fact that Dantonio got to recruit some players? Or which fact?

That JLS didn't leave all these great players, but as I suggeated, Dantonio turned most of them into good players.

I made no comment about the status of what Dantonio left, you read into it what you wanted to, despite what I said, because fans gonna fan

Also, regarding Mark Dantonio leaving the cupboard bare ---

114-57

2007 - 2019 wouldn't trade away any of it. Dude was the GOAT and he took MSU to new heights and to levels I never thought I'd see.

OTPT didn’t say MD left the cupboard bare. He said MD “didn’t do the program any favors.” I agree with this. Recruiting had fallen off, energy from players and coaches was clearly on a downward spiral, and his retirement couldn’t have come at a worse time.
I’m a big fan of and genuinely thankful for all of MD’s accomplishments Time won’t change that. Best coach we’ve ever had. But something happened in the last couple of years to dampen the fire in his belly, probably the lawsuit. Maybe he just got comfortable, IDK. Several coaches on his staff didn’t do him any favors, and MD’s loyalty and stubbornness stalled the program’s return to earlier successes.

tGreenWay wrote:OTPT didn’t say MD left the cupboard bare. He said MD “didn’t do the program any favors.” I agree with this. Recruiting had fallen off, energy from players and coaches was clearly on a downward spiral, and his retirement couldn’t have come at a worse time.
I’m a big fan of and genuinely thankful for all of MD’s accomplishments Time won’t change that. Best coach we’ve ever had. But something happened in the last couple of years to dampen the fire in his belly, probably the lawsuit. Maybe he just got comfortable, IDK. Several coaches on his staff didn’t do him any favors, and MD’s loyalty and stubbornness stalled the program’s return to earlier successes.

Look at you all sincere and quality posting!

I haven’t read the whole thread but has anyone noted that dantonio in 2007 didn’t have to deal with a B1G with Rutgers in it but Tucker does now, to his obvious detriment

kingstonlake wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:OTPT didn’t say MD left the cupboard bare. He said MD “didn’t do the program any favors.” I agree with this. Recruiting had fallen off, energy from players and coaches was clearly on a downward spiral, and his retirement couldn’t have come at a worse time.
I’m a big fan of and genuinely thankful for all of MD’s accomplishments Time won’t change that. Best coach we’ve ever had. But something happened in the last couple of years to dampen the fire in his belly, probably the lawsuit. Maybe he just got comfortable, IDK. Several coaches on his staff didn’t do him any favors, and MD’s loyalty and stubbornness stalled the program’s return to earlier successes.

Look at you all sincere and quality posting!

Don’t get used to it.

Nordic wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:OTPT didn’t say MD left the cupboard bare. He said MD “didn’t do the program any favors.” I agree with this. Recruiting had fallen off, energy from players and coaches was clearly on a downward spiral, and his retirement couldn’t have come at a worse time.
I’m a big fan of and genuinely thankful for all of MD’s accomplishments Time won’t change that. Best coach we’ve ever had. But something happened in the last couple of years to dampen the fire in his belly, probably the lawsuit. Maybe he just got comfortable, IDK. Several coaches on his staff didn’t do him any favors, and MD’s loyalty and stubbornness stalled the program’s return to earlier successes.

Hot take Tuesday

What don’t you agree with?

Nordic wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Surprising people still can’t admit Dantonio didn’t do the program any favors on his way out but fans gonna fan.

Banged your GF too eh?

Dude has to drain those big balls somewhere.

OTPT criticized MSU. Now the board is coming for him.

tGreenWay wrote:

Nordic wrote:

Hot take Tuesday

What don’t you agree with?

The guy saying "Hot take Tuesday" has now 3 rcmb level responses in this thread..

"Did Dants fly to Colorado and kick your dog?"
&
"Banged your GF too eh?"

Some are unable to critically think about things they are passionate about and have a lot of emotional investment in. That is OK, but don't take it out on others that are able to, please.

I am emotionally invested in nothing. I like it.

tGreenWay wrote:OTPT didn’t say MD left the cupboard bare. He said MD “didn’t do the program any favors.” I agree with this. Recruiting had fallen off, energy from players and coaches was clearly on a downward spiral, and his retirement couldn’t have come at a worse time.
I’m a big fan of and genuinely thankful for all of MD’s accomplishments Time won’t change that. Best coach we’ve ever had. But something happened in the last couple of years to dampen the fire in his belly, probably the lawsuit. Maybe he just got comfortable, IDK. Several coaches on his staff didn’t do him any favors, and MD’s loyalty and stubbornness stalled the program’s return to earlier successes.

He did say JLS left more in the cupboard. I contend that JLS left a pretty bare cupboard, and Dantoinio did a fantastic job with what little he had left. Whether it was more or less than Dantonio, only time will tell. Devin Thomas, Blair White, Brian Hoyer, Jonal St Dic, Earvin Baldwin, and others were not by any means considered a good cupboard at the end of 2006. Maybe Hoyer as a prospect. Thomas had only 6 catches in 06. White was still a walk on who hadn't played. St Dic and Baldwin took huge jumps in productivity from 06 to 07.

My point: The cupboard shouldn't be judged until the end of the season, and perhaps the end of their college careers.