1 in 5 electric vehicle owners in California switched back to gas

In roughly three minutes, you can fill the gas tank of a Ford Mustang and have enough range to go about 300 miles with its V8 engine.

But for the electric Mustang Mach-E, an hour plugged into a household outlet gave Bloomberg automotive analyst Kevin Tynan just three miles of range.

1 in 5 electric vehicle owners in California switched back to gas because charging their cars is a hassle, new research shows

Give it time. The internal combustion engine is become more and more obsolete with every passing day.

80% retention rate sounds pretty good too me.

5/5 combustible engines require gasoline.

How ironic that the biggest complaint about owning an electric vehicle is also the biggest warning before buying an electric vehicle...

Motown Spartan wrote:How ironic that the biggest complaint about owning an electric vehicle is also the biggest warning before buying an electric vehicle...

Lol I was thinking the same thing. It's like buying a refrigerator that runs on electric when you own an off grid cabin run on propane. Secondly a view any study funded by the deparemt of transportation within the last few years with a leery eye.

Heat Miser wrote:80% retention rate sounds pretty good too me.

Yep.
Saying 1 out of 5 totally ignores the much more powerful 4 out of 5. It worked for Dentyne sugarless gum for decades, and that fifth dentist is beginning to cave.

Yep, Tesla and Edison didn’t care about contracts Rockefeller had selling oil to cities for kerosene lamps in buildings. Some, then more, then more were lit by AC or DC and that snowball never stopped rolling down hill.

All that’s left is for big oil to tell us how mining for shit for batteries is going to ruin the world. Not like their oil spills and combustion did but this will be a new form of hell.

Seems like residences will eventually need to be upgraded to 3 phase power for more efficient at-home charging.

gm is going balls out on EV's.  They recently cancelled part of order at our place.  Equipment/tooling cancelled was for assembly/dressout of combustion engine/transmission packages.  They won't be getting much back because it's already in steel.

The Pantry wrote:

In roughly three minutes, you can fill the gas tank of a Ford Mustang and have enough range to go about 300 miles with its V8 engine.

But for the electric Mustang Mach-E, an hour plugged into a household outlet gave Bloomberg automotive analyst Kevin Tynan just three miles of range.

1 in 5 electric vehicle owners in California switched back to gas because charging their cars is a hassle, new research shows

Fuel Cells are what we should be investing in. Fast refills like gasoline and, if green hydrogen, has no emissions. Excess energy from power plants at off-peak times, can be used to create hydrogen to improve the efficiency of our exisitng power plants. Batteries are not as effective as PEMFC can be. I think (maybe hope is the better word) these battery EVs are temporary until we get the hydrogen infrastructure set up in the coming decade or two.

You gotta be a particular type of driver.

45 min. commute one way for me.

AvgMSUJoe wrote:You gotta be a particular type of driver.

45 min. commute one way for me.

Use to have a 30 minute commute. It sucked. New one is less than 10 minutes.

Keep on barking at the moon Pantry.

All electrics for the masses are coming from Toyota, GM, Ford, VW, Honda. There will be some gas but that core Luddite who are often the loudest will find their next topic of outrage.

Wasn’t that long ago nobody was going to change from incandescent bulbs to LED’s. Manufacturing costs of standard A lamps LED replacements dropped and companies got rid of their incandescent machinery.

Tesla the car company is a niche company. My sibling in NoCal says every time a Tesla quits/dies in traffic a specially equipped tow vehicle is required and 2 hour waits aren’t uncommon.

2nd/3rd/4th generation electrics will improve.

that thing isn't a Mustang

Do these electric cars say Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays when they start up?

I’m developing a sustainable energy source for my GMC 3500 power max HD extended cab high altitude edition Sierra with a 6” lift kit and 38’s.

It runs on petroleum tears.

Turtleneck wrote:Do these electric cars say Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays when they start up?

Yes.

CORNER BLITZ wrote:that thing isn't a Mustang

It’s quicker off the line than a Shelby GT350 and almost as fast as a GT500. It’s the quickest stock Mustang Ford has ever produced.

Top end speed, which 99.9% of all drivers will never get close to is a different story.

Motown Spartan wrote:

CORNER BLITZ wrote:that thing isn't a Mustang

It’s quicker off the line than a Shelby GT350 and almost as fast as a GT500. It’s the quickest stock Mustang Ford has ever produced.

Top end speed, which 99.9% of all drivers will never get close to is a different story.

And? It's like a crossover not a Mustang. Just call it something else instead of shatting on the name.

GM should bring back a minivan and call it a corvette to increase sales

If Ford calls it a mustang I think it’s a mustang but maybe that’s a crazy take

CORNER BLITZ wrote:

Motown Spartan wrote:

It’s quicker off the line than a Shelby GT350 and almost as fast as a GT500. It’s the quickest stock Mustang Ford has ever produced.

Top end speed, which 99.9% of all drivers will never get close to is a different story.

And? It's like a crossover not a Mustang. Just call it something else instead of shatting on the name.

GM should bring back a minivan and call it a corvette to increase sales

tGreenWay wrote:

CORNER BLITZ wrote:

And? It's like a crossover not a Mustang. Just call it something else instead of shatting on the name.

GM should bring back a minivan and call it a corvette to increase sales

Sincerely,

the board that gets upset when espn says the Spartys

Turtleneck wrote:Do these electric cars say Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays when they start up?

Not sure, but on a Tesla you can tell it to "open butthole" when you want access to the charging port.

Tax credits have phased out for some manufacturers. Good incentive the first time around.

CORNER BLITZ wrote:

Motown Spartan wrote:

It’s quicker off the line than a Shelby GT350 and almost as fast as a GT500. It’s the quickest stock Mustang Ford has ever produced.

Top end speed, which 99.9% of all drivers will never get close to is a different story.

And? It's like a crossover not a Mustang. Just call it something else instead of shatting on the name.

GM should bring back a minivan and call it a corvette to increase sales

Also a mustang

In 1974 the Pinto errrrrrr Mustang II was Motor Trends car of the year.

4cyl version 88hp
6cyl version 105hp

kingstonlake wrote:In 1974 the Mustang II was Motor Trends car of the year.

4cyl version 88hp
6cyl version 105hp

The 70’s oil crisis was awesome!

CORNER BLITZ wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:

Sincerely,

the board that gets upset when espn says the Spartys

That might’ve been true a few years ago, but for me, I’m past it. TBH, I can’t recall anyone griping about that in a long time.

Turtleneck wrote:

CORNER BLITZ wrote:

And? It's like a crossover not a Mustang. Just call it something else instead of shatting on the name.

GM should bring back a minivan and call it a corvette to increase sales

Also a mustang

This was the point I planned to make this morning, but doing so would’ve encroached on my nap time.

GRR Spartan wrote:Keep on barking at the moon Pantry.

What the hell brought that on? I just posted the story as an interesting fyi.

You should try reading through threads before hammering away on your keyboard

Motown Spartan wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:In 1974 the Mustang II was Motor Trends car of the year.

4cyl version 88hp
6cyl version 105hp

The 70’s oil crisis was awesome!

My parents always bought GM, except for a manual '75 Mustang II hatchback. They went up to the Keweenaw for a long weekend and left me home with the thing, figuring I didn't know how to drive a stick. I learned how that weekend.

Motown Spartan wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:In 1974 the Mustang II was Motor Trends car of the year.

4cyl version 88hp
6cyl version 105hp

The 70’s oil crisis was awesome!

That’s not what I heard. What was so awesome about it?

tGreenWay wrote:

CORNER BLITZ wrote:

Sincerely,

the board that gets upset when espn says the Spartys

That might’ve been true a few years ago, but for me, I’m past it. TBH, I can’t recall anyone griping about that in a long time.

If you still get trigged by Sparty you’re kinda a loser

Turtleneck wrote:

Motown Spartan wrote:

The 70’s oil crisis was awesome!

That’s not what I heard. What was so awesome about it?

Americans had a collective enemy.

tGreenWay wrote:

CORNER BLITZ wrote:

Sincerely,

the board that gets upset when espn says the Spartys

That might’ve been true a few years ago, but for me, I’m past it. TBH, I can’t recall anyone griping about that in a long time.

Especially not around here, where we are mostly pretty rational (as message boarders go).

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:



That might’ve been true a few years ago, but for me, I’m past it. TBH, I can’t recall anyone griping about that in a long time.

If you still get trigged by Sparty you’re kinda a loser

I use the term regularly.

kingstonlake wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

If you still get trigged by Sparty you’re kinda a loser

I use the term regularly.

I never use the term, but have learned to tolerate hearing it from others.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:



That might’ve been true a few years ago, but for me, I’m past it. TBH, I can’t recall anyone griping about that in a long time.

Especially not around here, where we are mostly pretty rational (as message boarders go).

Exactly. I doubt there was even a thread bitching about it here. We left that stuff when we left TOB.

Firefighters: Electric vehicle fires present new challenges

4,500 gallons of water needed to put out car battery fire

Quoted a job for an EV battery plant a month ago.  Each power pack is made up of many individual battery cells maybe ½" x 16" x 30".  They test each of the cells.  The quote was mostly for the cell scrap room, way off in the corner of the plant with doors to close it off.  They didn't come out and say the amount of predicted scrap cells in the RFQ, but judging from the equipment they asked to be quoted the number is quite high.  The really bad ones (leakers) are to get stuffed in steel drums filled with vermiculite, a substance they've determined to be non-reactive for their purposes.  Prior to the quote, my only knowledge of vermiculite was for gardening purposes.  Learn something new every day.  

They made no mention of where the drums of leakers would get shipped for disposal.

I’m on my 7th year with my truck. I got at least 5 years left. WTF? People switch cars every three years or so?