Never forget

by **The Pantry** 2021-09-11, 17:43

Fighter pilot reflects on would-be 9/11 suicide mission

by **Jake from State Farm** 2021-09-11, 19:07

I'm sorry, but I'm having a hard time with this never forget thing. We had buildings destroyed and thousands of people killed because of an intelligence breakdown from the government departments that shouldn't have an intelligence breakdown. We invaded a country that had nothing to do with the attack on the premise that they had something to do with the attack and killed thousands of their citzens and thousands of our soldiers. We had civil rights taken away from our citizens that will likely never be restored. We spent over a trillion dollars waging war for what? But yeah, lets never forget that fuckup.

by **kingstonlake** 2021-09-11, 19:17

Daniel Tosh does a pretty funny bit on osama bin Ladin

by **The Pantry** 2021-09-11, 19:43

Jake from State Farm wrote:I'm sorry, but I'm having a hard time with this never forget thing. We had buildings destroyed and thousands of people killed because of an intelligence breakdown from the government departments that shouldn't have an intelligence breakdown. We invaded a country that had nothing to do with the attack on the premise that they had something to do with the attack and killed thousands of their citzens and thousands of our soldiers. We had civil rights taken away from our citizens that will likely never be restored. We spent over a trillion dollars waging war for what? But yeah, lets never forget that fuckup.

Think whatever you want about the aftermath but I find your take on prevention of the events on 911 obtuse. No one could have predicted the attack.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2021-09-11, 19:47

The Pantry wrote:
Jake from State Farm wrote:I'm sorry, but I'm having a hard time with this never forget thing. We had buildings destroyed and thousands of people killed because of an intelligence breakdown from the government departments that shouldn't have an intelligence breakdown. We invaded a country that had nothing to do with the attack on the premise that they had something to do with the attack and killed thousands of their citzens and thousands of our soldiers. We had civil rights taken away from our citizens that will likely never be restored. We spent over a trillion dollars waging war for what? But yeah, lets never forget that fuckup.
Think whatever you want about the aftermath but I find your take on prevention of the events on 911 obtuse. No one could have predicted the attack.

Pantry I’m sorry dude but that’s not true. They absolutely could have but failed. Part of not forgetting is learning from the mistakes that happened leading up to it and covering those up for our own comfort is not “remembering”

by **Jake from State Farm** 2021-09-11, 19:48

The Pantry wrote:
Jake from State Farm wrote:I'm sorry, but I'm having a hard time with this never forget thing. We had buildings destroyed and thousands of people killed because of an intelligence breakdown from the government departments that shouldn't have an intelligence breakdown. We invaded a country that had nothing to do with the attack on the premise that they had something to do with the attack and killed thousands of their citzens and thousands of our soldiers. We had civil rights taken away from our citizens that will likely never be restored. We spent over a trillion dollars waging war for what? But yeah, lets never forget that fuckup.
Think whatever you want about the aftermath but I find your take on prevention of the events on 911 obtuse. No one could have predicted the attack.

Seems like there was plenty of noise about intelligence departments not working together. CIA had their priorities, FBI had theirs and neither wanted to share what information they had.

by **Motown Spartan** 2021-09-11, 20:17

More Americans died at the behest of the US government in the aftermath of 9/11 and nothing was accomplished except for a lot of death and violence.

by **The Pantry** 2021-09-11, 19:47

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
The Pantry wrote:
Think whatever you want about the aftermath but I find your take on prevention of the events on 911 obtuse. No one could have predicted the attack.

Pantry I’m sorry dude but that’s not true. They absolutely could have but failed. Part of not forgetting is learning from the mistakes that happened leading up to it and covering those up for our own comfort is not “remembering”

Jake from State Farm wrote:
The Pantry wrote:
Think whatever you want about the aftermath but I find your take on prevention of the events on 911 obtuse. No one could have predicted the attack.

Seems like there was plenty of noise about intelligence departments not working together. CIA had their priorities, FBI had theirs and neither wanted to share what information they had.

Sounds like life in the minds of hind-sighted, finger pointing, conspiracy theorists. Is Michael Moore your hero?

by **The Pantry** 2021-09-11, 20:32

Motown Spartan wrote:More Americans died at the behest of the US government in the aftermath of 9/11 and nothing was accomplished except for a lot of death and violence.

So, you appreciate the current pussy government?

by **Turtleneck** 2021-09-11, 20:44

Pantry, who has never done a fucking thing to serve his community or country, is really good at playing Internet patriot.

by **Motown Spartan** 2021-09-11, 20:44

The Pantry wrote:
Motown Spartan wrote:More Americans died at the behest of the US government in the aftermath of 9/11 and nothing was accomplished except for a lot of death and violence.
So, you appreciate the current pussy government?

I appreciate the Biden ended the war in Afghanistan. He did the right thing pulling out of Afghanistan. It was a difficult decision that no one before him had the balls to do. It's over now.

I appreciate his new approach to Covid.

Dude is making decisions like he's got nothing to lose. Because he doesn't. He was a stopper to Trump like an off suit Ace in Euchre.

by **kingstonlake** 2021-09-11, 20:46

Turtleneck wrote:Pantry, who has never done a fucking thing to serve his community or country, is really good at playing Internet patriot.

You don’t put a value on rating daily visits to fast food establishments?

by **Motown Spartan** 2021-09-11, 20:48

kingstonlake wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:Pantry, who has never done a fucking thing to serve his community or country, is really good at playing Internet patriot.

You don’t put a value on rating daily visits to fast food establishments?

Is there anything more 'Murican?

by **The Pantry** 2021-09-11, 20:50

Turtleneck wrote:Pantry, who has never done a fucking thing to serve his community or country, is really good at playing Internet patriot.

Look in the mirror, tofu lover.

by **Turtleneck** 2021-09-11, 20:58

I don’t play Internet patriot. I’ve been waiting for quite some time for one of your retorts to even remotely make sense. Maybe one day.

by **NigelUno** 2021-09-11, 21:11

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2021-09-11, 21:42

The Pantry wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Pantry I’m sorry dude but that’s not true. They absolutely could have but failed. Part of not forgetting is learning from the mistakes that happened leading up to it and covering those up for our own comfort is not “remembering”
Jake from State Farm wrote:

Seems like there was plenty of noise about intelligence departments not working together. CIA had their priorities, FBI had theirs and neither wanted to share what information they had.
Sounds like life in the minds of hind-sighted, finger pointing, conspiracy theorists. Is Michael Moore your hero?

Yeah man, Michael Moore but also like the 9/11 commission countless other articles and really just common knowledge that the cia and fbi did in fact make mistakes that could have prevented 9/11

by **The Pantry** 2021-09-11, 22:10

Man, you lightweights are touchy. Not a single post in memory of what happened that day and those lost...just political finger pointing. What you do best.

by MSU addict 2021-09-11, 22:12

It seems to me that predicting and preventing the attacks are really two different things. Even if our intelligence agencies worked together and we had near perfect intelligence, I am not convinced such attacks could have been prevented.

Hopefully you are old enough to remember pre-9/11 security. It was not sufficient to prevent such attacks.

I do not intend this to be a personal attack, but how can you complain about you civil rights being taken away post 9/11 and also imply that you would have been OK with the necessary and invasive security that would have been required to prevent the attacks before they occurred?

by **kingstonlake** 2021-09-11, 22:25

The Pantry wrote:Man, you lightweights are touchy. Not a single post in memory of what happened that day and those lost...just political finger pointing. What you do best.

You brought up politics, dope. Everyone else has mentioned how unfortunate it was that we didn’t prevent it because of in fighting between the fbi and cia.

by **The Pantry** 2021-09-11, 23:25

kingstonlake wrote:
The Pantry wrote:Man, you lightweights are touchy. Not a single post in memory of what happened that day and those lost...just political finger pointing. What you do best.

You brought up politics, dope. Everyone else has mentioned how unfortunate it was that we didn’t prevent it because of in fighting between the fbi and cia.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2021-09-11, 23:55

The Pantry wrote:Man, you lightweights are touchy. Not a single post in memory of what happened that day and those lost...just political finger pointing. What you do best.

Feel free to use the search function if you’re looking to get you 9/11 jollies off. I’m sure you can find several threads on exactly what you’re looking for and there’s really no point in adding one more to the pile

by AvgMSUJoe 2021-09-12, 08:09

The mere fact that the rs are reveling in Desantis' death numbers which dwarf the 3k lost on 9/11 makes any of the "never forget" flag clutching disingenuous at best.

Assholes can't be bothered with a poke or mask to save their neighbors and countrymen. (Same with blue lives and merican military worship... you fuckers can't talk while actively killing off your neighbors)

by **DWags** 2021-09-12, 08:44

Wife was home with the kids. 4 and 1 at the time. What’s funny is that our lives we’re dramatically changed about a month before when we decided that she should drop her corporate lobbying job and be a stay at home mom for the next decade or so. I was at school in my office when it started. Every American s life would be changed greatly from then on. I picked up the phone and said the same four words we all said when a loved one first got a hold of us,”turn on the television “

by **MiamiSpartan** 2021-09-12, 09:18

My wife (finace at the time) sent me a message on AOL chat when the first plane hit. She called me on my StarTac cell phone when the second one hit. Funny how I remember those little retro technologies. I was on tRCMB a lot that day, as rumors, facts, and new information was coming in. This was before Wells and before too much infighting, except over Bobby William's. It was also during one of those relatively short-lived iterations of the board after Rivals, but before Trevor got a more stable server/setup, so it is kind of a shame that the thread from that day was lost.

As for the infighting in this thread (how times have changed), unless you've gone full Antineplastons and think that it never happened at all and no one died, then it sounds really fucking stupid to say that you have a problem with the Never Forget stuff. I don't care if you think it was an intelligence failure or an inside job, or what. None of that changes the horror, death, and extreme acts of heroism on that day. You want to forget that with innocent people that had nothing to do with the other stuff? And yes, of course, Covid killed so much more and is a much bigger tragedy. That doesn't change remembering 9/11 any more than it changes remembering the Battle of Gettysburg.

by **Jake from State Farm** 2021-09-12, 10:03

MiamiSpartan wrote:My wife (finace at the time) sent me a message on AOL chat when the first plane hit. She called me on my StarTac cell phone when the second one hit. Funny how I remember those little retro technologies. I was on tRCMB a lot that day, as rumors, facts, and new information was coming in. This was before Wells and before too much infighting, except over Bobby William's. It was also during one of those relatively short-lived iterations of the board after Rivals, but before Trevor got a more stable server/setup, so it is kind of a shame that the thread from that day was lost.

As for the infighting in this thread (how times have changed), unless you've gone full Antineplastons and think that it never happened at all and no one died, then it sounds really fucking stupid to say that you have a problem with the Never Forget stuff. I don't care if you think it was an intelligence failure or an inside job, or what. None of that changes the horror, death, and extreme acts of heroism on that day. You want to forget that with innocent people that had nothing to do with the other stuff? And yes, of course, Covid killed so much more and is a much bigger tragedy. That doesn't change remembering 9/11 any more than it changes remembering the Battle of Gettysburg.

There's been plenty of tragedies in this country and if we memorialized everyone of them like we do 911 this country would be in mourning 365 days a year.

by **GRR Spartan** 2021-09-12, 10:32

Pantry trying to rewrite history.

There were multiple red flags that went unreported including the teams of hijackers taking flight lessons who were never interested in learning to land; their computer, MicroSoft Flight Trainer and accessory purchases.

Never forget prior to 9-11-2001 there was competition and walls between CIA, FBI, ATF, US military even state agencies where there was no sharing or coordination of information.

I was at my office, kids were in school and wife was working. Saw the second tower fall when a co-worker who had a small TV for his mother unboxed it and hooked it up. 20 years latter we watch breaking on our news on our phones and computers.

My youngest’s birthday is September 11. He would choose Bill Knapps. Worst 11th birthday dinner ever because Bill Knapps had updated with TV’s and all were tuned in to CNN.

by **MiamiSpartan** 2021-09-12, 11:30

Jake from State Farm wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:My wife (finace at the time) sent me a message on AOL chat when the first plane hit. She called me on my StarTac cell phone when the second one hit. Funny how I remember those little retro technologies. I was on tRCMB a lot that day, as rumors, facts, and new information was coming in. This was before Wells and before too much infighting, except over Bobby William's. It was also during one of those relatively short-lived iterations of the board after Rivals, but before Trevor got a more stable server/setup, so it is kind of a shame that the thread from that day was lost.

As for the infighting in this thread (how times have changed), unless you've gone full Antineplastons and think that it never happened at all and no one died, then it sounds really fucking stupid to say that you have a problem with the Never Forget stuff. I don't care if you think it was an intelligence failure or an inside job, or what. None of that changes the horror, death, and extreme acts of heroism on that day. You want to forget that with innocent people that had nothing to do with the other stuff? And yes, of course, Covid killed so much more and is a much bigger tragedy. That doesn't change remembering 9/11 any more than it changes remembering the Battle of Gettysburg.

There's been plenty of tragedies in this country and if we memorialized everyone of them like we do 911 this country would be in mourning 365 days a year.

Got it, so we shouldn't memorialize anything then. Not Gettysburg, or Pearl Harbor, or D-Day. There's lots of battles that people have died in. Why memorialize those?

How many tragedies involving civilians are on the scale of 9/11 combined with the levels of heroism and self-sacrifice on that day?

Again, there's covid, and you can bet that we will still be memorializing that in 20 years, as we should. It isnt a single day event, but there will probably be a specific day picked, not unlike Memorial Day. And then you can complain that we shouldn't do that because people die from lots of diseases.

by **The Pantry** 2021-09-12, 11:43

GRR Spartan wrote:Pantry trying to rewrite history.

There were multiple red flags that went unreported including the teams of hijackers taking flight lessons who were never interested in learning to land; their computer, MicroSoft Flight Trainer and accessory purchases.

Never forget prior to 9-11-2001 there was competition and walls between CIA, FBI, ATF, US military even state agencies where there was no sharing or coordination of information.

I was at my office, kids were in school and wife was working. Saw the second tower fall when a co-worker who had a small TV for his mother unboxed it and hooked it up. 20 years latter we watch breaking on our news on our phones and computers.

My youngest’s birthday is September 11. He would choose Bill Knapps. Worst 11th birthday dinner ever because Bill Knapps had updated with TV’s and all were tuned in to CNN.

I didn't rewrite anything. As usual, GRR posting with his head up his pompous know-it-all ass and pointing out hindsight of things not discovered until well after 9/11.

by **kingstonlake** 2021-09-12, 12:56

The Pantry wrote:
GRR Spartan wrote:Pantry trying to rewrite history.

There were multiple red flags that went unreported including the teams of hijackers taking flight lessons who were never interested in learning to land; their computer, MicroSoft Flight Trainer and accessory purchases.

Never forget prior to 9-11-2001 there was competition and walls between CIA, FBI, ATF, US military even state agencies where there was no sharing or coordination of information.

I was at my office, kids were in school and wife was working. Saw the second tower fall when a co-worker who had a small TV for his mother unboxed it and hooked it up. 20 years latter we watch breaking on our news on our phones and computers.

My youngest’s birthday is September 11. He would choose Bill Knapps. Worst 11th birthday dinner ever because Bill Knapps had updated with TV’s and all were tuned in to CNN.
I didn't rewrite anything. As usual, GRR posting with his head up his pompous know-it-all ass and pointing out hindsight of things not discovered until well after 9/11.

Ahem.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2021-09-12, 13:01

Pantry, of course they weren’t discovered until after. That’s the whole problem- they should have been discovered before.

My dude, I love you, but you gotta get that part of never forgetting is acknowledging that mistakes were made and making sure they don’t happen again. Doing anything else is quite literally forgetting.

by **kingstonlake** 2021-09-12, 13:21

Honestly it’s kinda hard to forget. It spawned the whole first responder “throne” status. I mean I respect everything they do. Down the line. All of them. But can we do away with discounts for them on anything and everything? Cut to the front of the line at Costco, two for one drinks, half off dinner, etc?

by **The Pantry** 2021-09-12, 13:28

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Pantry, of course they weren’t discovered until after. That’s the whole problem- they should have been discovered before.

My dude, I love you, but you gotta get that part of never forgetting is acknowledging that mistakes were made and making sure they don’t happen again. Doing anything else is quite literally forgetting.

Again, hindsight. You guys are like armchair quarterbacks, pointing out what could have been done instead of acknowledging the victims, heroes, tragedy of the day. Did you even read the OP link?

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2021-09-12, 13:45

Yes pantry. Yes. It is exactly that. We are on the same page. It absolutely is hindsight. That’s how you learn.

I’m not saying “hang the mother fuckers that should have figured this out”. I’m saying, yes they had the opportunity to figure this out but didn’t. Let’s make sure that doesn’t happen again. If you just say “welp, nothing we could have done” then all you’re saying is that we’re susceptible to it happening again. We can’t do that, and it is forgetting what truly happened.

by **Cameron** 2021-09-12, 13:47

kingstonlake wrote:Honestly it’s kinda hard to forget. It spawned the whole first responder “throne” status. I mean I respect everything they do. Down the line. All of them. But can we do away with discounts for them on anything and everything? Cut to the front of the line at Costco, two for one drinks, half off dinner, etc?

What do you care? Those discounts coming out of your pocket?

by **kingstonlake** 2021-09-12, 14:25

Cameron wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:Honestly it’s kinda hard to forget. It spawned the whole first responder “throne” status. I mean I respect everything they do. Down the line. All of them. But can we do away with discounts for them on anything and everything? Cut to the front of the line at Costco, two for one drinks, half off dinner, etc?

What do you care? Those discounts coming out of your pocket?

The point is I don’t get why they’re there to begin with and only available to them. Every Walmart employee on the floor put their life in danger last year for example. Where’s their discount?

by **Cameron** 2021-09-12, 17:09

kingstonlake wrote:
Cameron wrote:

What do you care? Those discounts coming out of your pocket?

The point is I don’t get why they’re there to begin with and only available to them. Every Walmart employee on the floor put their life in danger last year for example. Where’s their discount?

Bad take. I certainly am in favor of frontline workers like the Walmart employees you are referring to getting better treatment in general (I voted for Bernie in the primary), but that doesn't translate to "take away discounts for firefighters and EMTs!" It's taking a lot of restraint for me to leave it at that.

by **kingstonlake** 2021-09-12, 18:02

Cameron wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

The point is I don’t get why they’re there to begin with and only available to them. Every Walmart employee on the floor put their life in danger last year for example. Where’s their discount?

Bad take. I certainly am in favor of frontline workers like the Walmart employees you are referring to getting better treatment in general (I voted for Bernie in the primary), but that doesn't translate to "take away discounts for firefighters and EMTs!" It's taking a lot of restraint for me to leave it at that.

I think you’re missing the point cam. Why is it exclusively for only certain designated media fueled super star “frontline” workers. I’m over putting certain people on pedestals. And I’m speaking mostly about government payroll types. Not private sector. Careers are choices for the most part. For instance: I know some of these people on the government payroll. They get to moonlight at hospitals and jails for the same rate of pay as their regular employment. And the jail’s and hospital are required to hire them only. It’s in the labor deal. It’s a great racket. Fantastic health care and pension. They’ll never get a speeding ticket or rarely a dui. Have “professional courtesy” wink winks amongst each other. But we’re handing out discounts, perks, hazard pay, etc to the ones who need it the least. IMHO it’s a bit much. The average person at Walmart or Meijer deserves or needs it more. Those poor sons of bitches get a paper mask and a bottle of hand sanitizer. Gee thanks. Plus they deal with the covid denial asswipes. While the emt or cop gets every piece of ppe imaginable. An emt in midland gets to cut to the front of the line at Costco? BS.

by **Cameron** 2021-09-12, 18:14

You are a fucking moronic piece of shit. Because your personality/posting style is slightly less grating than the Bob/Nigel/steve tier, it sometimes escapes notice that your opinions on virtually every topic I can think of are the worst on the board by a comfortable margin.

by **The Pantry** 2021-09-12, 18:31

kingstonlake wrote:
Cameron wrote:

Bad take. I certainly am in favor of frontline workers like the Walmart employees you are referring to getting better treatment in general (I voted for Bernie in the primary), but that doesn't translate to "take away discounts for firefighters and EMTs!" It's taking a lot of restraint for me to leave it at that.

I think you’re missing the point cam. Why is it exclusively for only certain “frontline” workers. I’m over putting certain people on pedestals. Careers are choices. For instance: I know some of these people on the government payroll. They get to moonlight at hospitals and jails for the same rate of pay as their regular employment. And the jail’s and hospital are required to hire them only. It’s in the labor deal. It’s a great racket. Fantastic health care and pension. They’ll never get a speeding ticket or rarely a dui. Have “professional courtesy” wink winks amongst each other. But we’re handing out discounts, perks, hazard pay, etc to the ones who need it the least. IMHO it’s a bit much. The average person at Walmart or Meijer deserves or needs it more. Those poor sons of bitches get a paper mask and a bottle of hand sanitizer. Gee thanks. Plus they deal with the covid denial asswipes. While the emt or cop gets every piece of ppe imaginable. An emt in midland gets to cut to the front of the line at Costco? BS.

wow. You really are a dick. Just moved you to #1 on my list of posters I'd never wanna have a beer with.

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