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As we enjoy college football this fall, keep in mind the NCAA believes there is a “slavery-loophole” that justifies not formally paying players

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Post by Turtleneck 2022-07-14, 22:08

“The only issue in the appeal,” the Princeton University and NYU Law grad stresses, “is the legal standard for a motion to dismiss.” In repelling previous efforts by college athletes to gain recognition as employees under the FLSA, the NCAA emphasized case law (Vanskike v. Peters) indicating that while the 13th Amendment abolished slavery and involuntary servitude, there is a so-called “slavery loophole” for prisoners and, arguably, college athletes. The key question for the Third Circuit is whether Judge Padova applied the appropriate test in dismissing the NCAA’s motion to dismiss.

SEC Fears of Johnson v. NCAA Labor Case Laid Out in Amicus Brief
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Post by Trapper Gus 2022-07-15, 09:54

The argument is that it is not "involuntary servitude" I guess.

Seems like even a poor lawyer would point out that it is required to get to the NFL and thus is "Involuntary" ...
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Post by GRR Spartan 2022-07-15, 11:11

Some people voluntarily became share croppers and found out it wasn’t a whole lot difference between that and slavery.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2022-07-15, 11:15

GRR Spartan wrote:Some people voluntarily became share croppers and found out it wasn’t a whole lot difference between that and slavery.

Reading the Juneteenth proclamation, they were encouraged to remain working for wages, and sharecropping was a "company store" method of doing that.

That white people could murder black people without penalty well into the 20th century, and still do in many cases, pretty much left everything the same.
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Post by Motown Spartan 2022-07-15, 11:35

Ok. Thanks for the info. Kickoff in 50 days. Can't wait!!
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Post by Turtleneck 2022-07-15, 13:15

Trapper Gus wrote:The argument is that it is not "involuntary servitude" I guess.

Seems like even a poor lawyer would point out that it is required to get to the NFL and thus is "Involuntary" ...

Yes, but it cuts much deeper, right? To me, The NCAA's argument also suggests that even if college athletes were engaged in involuntary servitude, they are exempt from the appropriate constitutional protections. The NCAA continues to rely on precedent that exempts federal inmates from the protections of the 13th Amendment. From last year:

It is at least the fourth case in recent years in which student athletes have cited the FLSA in challenging the NCAA’s argument that student athletes must work for free due to the tradition of amateurism that defines the “economic reality” of collegiate sports.

That defense is tied to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit’s 1992 decision in Vanskike v. Peters, which ruled that federal inmates aren’t entitled to minimum wages for prison labor. The 13th Amendment banned slavery, but it exempted those convicted of crimes. In previous cases, the NCAA has used the exception to get cases dismissed before the court could apply employment tests, Johnson’s attorneys said.

The nonprofit argues that because players are defined by the context they play in—the economic reality of amateurism—their circumstances preclude the need for employment tests.


https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/college-athlete-pay-suit-confronts-ncaas-supreme-court-loss
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Post by AvgMSUJoe 2022-07-15, 15:35

It's making them all mushy brained too... don't forget that.


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(we are totally aware that the more you think about this shit in totality the worse it is... but for fucks sake, I need something to look forward to.)
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Post by Turtleneck 2022-07-15, 16:56

AvgMSUJoe wrote:It's making them all mushy brained too... don't forget that.


GO GREEN!


(we are totally aware that the more you think about this shit in totality the worse it is... but for fucks sake, I need something to look forward to.)

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Post by Nordic 2022-07-15, 20:47

They are employees. Pay them. Figure it out.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2022-07-15, 20:56

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Trapper Gus wrote:The argument is that it is not "involuntary servitude" I guess.

Seems like even a poor lawyer would point out that it is required to get to the NFL and thus is "Involuntary" ...

Yes, but it cuts much deeper, right? To me, The NCAA's argument also suggests that even if college athletes were engaged in involuntary servitude, they are exempt from the appropriate constitutional protections. The NCAA continues to rely on precedent that exempts federal inmates from the protections of the 13th Amendment. From last year:

It is at least the fourth case in recent years in which student athletes have cited the FLSA in challenging the NCAA’s argument that student athletes must work for free due to the tradition of amateurism that defines the “economic reality” of collegiate sports.

That defense is tied to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit’s 1992 decision in Vanskike v. Peters, which ruled that federal inmates aren’t entitled to minimum wages for prison labor. The 13th Amendment banned slavery, but it exempted those convicted of crimes. In previous cases, the NCAA has used the exception to get cases dismissed before the court could apply employment tests, Johnson’s attorneys said.

The nonprofit argues that because players are defined by the context they play in—the economic reality of amateurism—their circumstances preclude the need for employment tests.


https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/college-athlete-pay-suit-confronts-ncaas-supreme-court-loss

The exemption for people serving time for the crime was necessary, unless they wanted to eliminate anyone serving time, in the 13th.

Since collage athletes are not serving for a crime then they cannot be treated like slaves, according to the 13th, unless the argument is they have voluntarily agreed to do so, and even then, it would be questionable.
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Post by Turtleneck 2022-07-15, 22:34

You send an email to the NCAA because they are the ones making the connection.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2022-07-16, 08:38

Turtleneck wrote:You send an email to the NCAA because they are the ones making the connection.

If I thought they would listen to some smo from a message board I would.

I'm just trying to see some logic to their position.
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Post by Turtleneck 2022-07-26, 19:33

Would the Big Ten share revenue with its football players? Penn State could be the first test case

https://www.inquirer.com/college-sports/penn-state/2022-big-ten-penn-state-revenue-sharing-20220726.html?utm_source=t.co&utm_campaign=edit_social_share_twitter_traffic&utm_medium=social&utm_content=&utm_term=&int_promo=
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Post by tGreenWay 2022-07-26, 22:54

Turtleneck wrote:Would the Big Ten share revenue with its football players? Penn State could be the first test case

https://www.inquirer.com/college-sports/penn-state/2022-big-ten-penn-state-revenue-sharing-20220726.html?utm_source=t.co&utm_campaign=edit_social_share_twitter_traffic&utm_medium=social&utm_content=&utm_term=&int_promo=



Haven’t read the article yet, but I like the idea.
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