2024 will end up like 2016: Trump gets the nomination

DWags wrote:Too many republicans will join the election. They’ll split votes and Trump will win primaries.

Who do the Dems have? If the Republicans win the White House in 2024, our country will never see a democratic republic again.

Don't count Deathsantis out. He may well get his chance to fuck up this country beyond repair.

DWags wrote:Too many republicans will join the election. They’ll split votes and Trump will win primaries.

Who do the Dems have? If the Republicans win the White House in 2024, our country will never see a democratic republic again.

unless decent, pro-freedom, pro-America people turn out in 2022, we've had our last free and fair election.

Right now I’d say he doesn’t. Ironically Biden’s four year term May spell the demise of Trump 24’. Non fanatical Republicans May see an avenue to oppose trump and Biden at the same time. Nominating DeSantis or someone a little less crazy might be the end result. I think they view DeSantis as Trump lite and less embarrassing.

How many Republicans would really go against Trump in the primary? I don't think Republicans want Trump to run, but I'm not sure how many will have the balls to go against him. Maybe DeathSantis, since they've been having a bit if a sissy slap fight. He's been going extreme with all of the Disney fight, Don't Say Gay bill, pro-Covid policies, etc., to get the Trump crazies on his side for 2024 because he can't count on Trump's endorsement. But I don't think the nuts choose him OVER Trump in a head to head.

kingstonlake wrote:Right now I’d say he doesn’t. Ironically Biden’s four year term May spell the demise of Trump 24’. Non fanatical Republicans May see an avenue to oppose trump and Biden at the same time. Nominating DeSantis or someone a little less crazy might be the end result. I think they view DeSantis as Trump lite and less embarrassing.

DeathSantis is more dangerous than the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator because, I suspect, he's smart enough to at least know how to tie his own shoes.

What made the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator less dangerous is how fucking stupid he was. He gave the Democrats the US Senate because he told his knuckle-scraper fans in Georgia to stay home.. that the election was rigged. So they did.

That's just one example. DeathSantis is (likely) a little smarter than that.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:Right now I’d say he doesn’t. Ironically Biden’s four year term May spell the demise of Trump 24’. Non fanatical Republicans May see an avenue to oppose trump and Biden at the same time. Nominating DeSantis or someone a little less crazy might be the end result. I think they view DeSantis as Trump lite and less embarrassing.

DeathSantis is more dangerous than the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator because, I suspect, he's smart enough to at least know how to tie his own shoes.

What made the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator less dangerous is how fucking stupid he was. He gave the Democrats the US Senate because he told his knuckle-scraper fans in Georgia to stay home.. that the election was rigged. So they did.

That's just one example. DeathSantis is (likely) a little smarter than that.

Somehow I don't see him trying to overturn an election, but GW Bush did so maybe I'm wrong.

I would not be surprised if you don't see the GOP distance itself from Trump. He still commands a large enough share of likely Republican voters to win the nomination, but he might also be increasingly seen as having outlived his usefulness.

https://spartanswill.forumotion.com/t24374-the-electoral-consequences-of-the-1-6-hearings-and-dobbs

Turtleneck wrote:I would not be surprised if you don't see the GOP distance itself from Trump. He still commands a large enough share of likely Republican voters to win the nomination, but he might also be increasingly seen as having outlived his usefulness.

https://spartanswill.forumotion.com/t24374-the-electoral-consequences-of-the-1-6-hearings-and-dobbs

Perhaps more important than commanding enough voters to win the nomination, his band of crazies can make the difference in many state and local races. He brought a lot of disillusioned non-voters into the Republican party, and there are races that Republicans can't win without them. The R leadership knows this, and is a big reason why they continue to kiss his ass.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:I would not be surprised if you don't see the GOP distance itself from Trump. He still commands a large enough share of likely Republican voters to win the nomination, but he might also be increasingly seen as having outlived his usefulness.

https://spartanswill.forumotion.com/t24374-the-electoral-consequences-of-the-1-6-hearings-and-dobbs

Perhaps more important than commanding enough voters to win the nomination, his band of crazies can make the difference in many state and local races. He brought a lot of disillusioned non-voters into the Republican party, and there are races that Republicans can't win without them. The R leadership knows this, and is a big reason why they continue to kiss his ass.

The Democratic Party hasn't tried to win local elections since Howard Dean was its chairman.

I have this feeling that Pence and maybe Pompeo could paint a very ugly picture of trump if they ran. Possibly some shit you couldn’t walk back if you’re Trump. I got a feeling there might be some very very big money out there that could make sure that happens.

I do not have a good feeling about the next 20 years.

Dendrobates wrote:I do not have a good feeling about the next 20 years.

You will feel much worse if you read this

Trapper Gus wrote:

Dendrobates wrote:I do not have a good feeling about the next 20 years.

You will feel much worse if you read this

Um....thanks?

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Well he’s under multiple criminal investigations so I guess he has a point.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:I would not be surprised if you don't see the GOP distance itself from Trump. He still commands a large enough share of likely Republican voters to win the nomination, but he might also be increasingly seen as having outlived his usefulness.

https://spartanswill.forumotion.com/t24374-the-electoral-consequences-of-the-1-6-hearings-and-dobbs

Perhaps more important than commanding enough voters to win the nomination, his band of crazies can make the difference in many state and local races. He brought a lot of disillusioned non-voters into the Republican party, and there are races that Republicans can't win without them. The R leadership knows this, and is a big reason why they continue to kiss his ass.

The primary reason he was publicly supported by GOP leadership was precisely his ability to bring in new voters and reinvigorate an aging and demographically exclusive party. The question is, is there another person who can keep these voters engaged? Some will naturally peel off, but is there a person that can return most of them to the polls? If so, they GOP could pivot if that person is seen as less of a headache. Right now, that seems to be DeSantis, who we all agree is more dangerous because he is far more ideological and actually competent, disciplined, and organized. If no such person exists, yes, it will likely be Trump again. It still might be Trump if GOP leadership calculates he brings the greatest electoral benefits.

DWags wrote: If the Republicans win the White House in 2024, our country will never see a democratic republic again.

Wait a minute, you said that in 2016!

DeSantis is the far bigger threat for the reasons stated earlier. All he needs is to keep MAGAts engaged enough to vote for him once. After that, Connies will rewrite rules and laws and Karl Rove’s wet dream of a permanent Republican majority will be a reality.

As for Donnie: What I hope happens is either the AG or Georgia prosecutors go to Trump and give him a couple of options. The first is he agrees to never run for any office ever again, and to once and for all announce to his cult members that Biden won fair & square with no cheating whatsoever. And then he has to stop talking. No tweets, no faxes, no public or private speaking engagements. He either agrees to all of that or he faces option #2, which is he’ll face charges both in the state and federal systems.
tbh, Donnie’s mental illness won’t let him agree to option 1, so I imagine this shit will continue for awhile longer, which will piss off the non-Trump wing of the party.

Dendrobates wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

You will feel much worse if you read this

Um....thanks?

Thom Hartman provides some of the best analysis of what has been done to us and what we need to do to counter it, and he is an MSU grad.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Dendrobates wrote:

Um....thanks?

Thom Hartman provides some of the best analysis of what has been done to us and what we need to do to counter it, and he is an MSU grad.

I'm surprised DeVos isn't on the list, maybe they're not quite billionaires?

I feel dirty for thinking Trump may be a better option than Desantis. He dumb enough to step on his dick 50% of the time where Desantis is  maniacal enough to cover his tracks. Of course either option is a disaster. Part of me wonders if Desantis is to far right and “eloquent” enough to articulate it that it may scare the center. Trump has that “he’s harmlessly ignorant and bigoted” enough to sort of dismiss it aura about him. Like “yeah, he’s a fuck up but someone will fix it.”

Trump winning the nomination might be best for Democrats. He’s not aging well since he left the White House. Look at the pics:

Donald Trump praises Saudi Arabia, avoids 9/11 question as he hosts LIV Golf Bedminster

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/golf/2022/07/28/donald-trump-praises-saudi-arabia-liv-golf/50537649/

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Thom Hartman provides some of the best analysis of what has been done to us and what we need to do to counter it, and he is an MSU grad.

I work with his brother.

Cool!

Based on what he has written about himself he and I were at MSU at the same time.

PennSpartan wrote:Trump winning the nomination might be best for Democrats.  He’s not aging well since he left the White House.  Look at the pics:

Donald Trump praises Saudi Arabia, avoids 9/11 question as he hosts LIV Golf Bedminster

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/golf/2022/07/28/donald-trump-praises-saudi-arabia-liv-golf/50537649/

You sound like Bob.  Bob has been saying for 7 years how Trump was probably going to die soon.  There's just one problem.  Evil doesn't die.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:Trump winning the nomination might be best for Democrats.  He’s not aging well since he left the White House.  Look at the pics:

Donald Trump praises Saudi Arabia, avoids 9/11 question as he hosts LIV Golf Bedminster

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/golf/2022/07/28/donald-trump-praises-saudi-arabia-liv-golf/50537649/

You sound like Bob.  Bob has been saying for 7 years how Trump was probably going to die soon.  There's just one problem.  Evil doesn't die.

Excellent improvement to the thread. Great album.

PennSpartan wrote:Trump winning the nomination might be best for Democrats. He’s not aging well since he left the White House. Look at the pics:

Donald Trump praises Saudi Arabia, avoids 9/11 question as he hosts LIV Golf Bedminster

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/golf/2022/07/28/donald-trump-praises-saudi-arabia-liv-golf/50537649/

I hated LIV before this but I really hate it now.

duffy munn wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:Trump winning the nomination might be best for Democrats. He’s not aging well since he left the White House. Look at the pics:

Donald Trump praises Saudi Arabia, avoids 9/11 question as he hosts LIV Golf Bedminster

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/golf/2022/07/28/donald-trump-praises-saudi-arabia-liv-golf/50537649/

I hated LIV before this but I really hate it now.

What is LIV Golf, is it Trump's answer to the PGA not paying him ridiculous amounts to hold tournaments at his courses?

DWags wrote:

Jake from State Farm wrote:

What is LIV Golf, is it Trump's answer to the PGA not paying him ridiculous amounts to hold tournaments at his courses?

Did Saudi Arabia‘s answer to the PGA. They are paying some of our top most famous golfers millions and millions of dollars to join their tour versus grinding it out in the PGA tour for a lot less money. The kids from Michigan state for example, was paid near $1 million to play in a tournament. And he’s not at the level where he could make that at the PTA for years. Of course a lot of people are concerned with human rights and how sports seem to wash those things away

It's 100% sports washing. It is a concerted effort to use sports, with well known American and European players, to show Saudi Arabia in a positive light, and make people forget about the murder, torture, and bombing of civilians that SA engages in. It isn't new, but people don't pay enough attention to it. The Olympics in China and Russia, the upcoming World Cup in Qatar, the ownership of high profile soccer teams by Qatar, UAE, and Saudi Arabia, it's all the same. 6,000 people and counting have died building the stadiums for the World Cup. Many of them actual slaves.

And it goes beyond sports. Real Housewives of Dubai is a show on Bravo now. You see the tourism ads for Dubai, the ads for Emirates Air, etc.

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Can’t help but think the August 8 raid on Trump’s Mar-a-laga residence could have precipitated by something(s) that were discovered in Alex Jones’ phone that his lawyer voluntarily handed over to the attorney representing parents of Sandy Hook shooting victims.

FBI may have been looking for evidence that Trump talked about in conversations with Jones or texts Jones had with Trump Oval Office subordinates

It’s being reported that FoxNews Tucker Carlson is less than pleased that the contents of Jones’ mobile phone have been turned over to the January 6 committee.

Mishandling Federal Documents is a felony, part of the punishment is disqualification from holding an elected federal office.

Does it break down to something so basic as mid term results?  If the recapture the house (guaranteed) and the senate, he runs? If they don’t take the senate he doesn’t. Retaking both chambers guarantees a blood bath of retribution if he can win the general.

Between Trump's NFTs () and this, I'm not sure he's going to be at the finish line. How scared of DeSantis is Trump to do this? Oh he's not scared, he's just s grifter.

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