"You're going to see acts that defy humanity"

The video has not yet been officially released but is expected to be publicly shared Friday evening. It is surveillance and body-camera footage showing five Memphis police officers, who are also Black, interacting with Nichols during his arrest.

Family members and law enforcement officials who have privately reviewed the footage have described it as harrowing, showing him being kicked, punched and Tasered less than 100 yards from his home, and capturing the beating from the vantage point of multiple cameras. Nichols was violently beaten for three minutes by police officers and treated like “a human piñata,” lawyers for his family said.

“What I saw on the video today was horrific,” said Nichols’s stepfather, Rodney Wells. “No father or mother should see what we had to see.”

“I’m sickened by what I saw,” Tennessee Bureau of Investigation Director David B. Rausch told reporters Thursday, calling the officers’ actions “absolutely appalling.”

Meanwhile, Memphis Police Chief Cerelyn Davis described the circumstances surrounding Nichols’s death as “horrific” and has said she expects people to feel “outrage” when they view the footage. Davis spoke with Nichols’s family before a private viewing of the body-camera footage, warning them, “I’m not proud of what you’re about to see,” according to Wells.

Attorney Ben Crump, who is representing the family, said the body-camera footage reminded him of the Los Angeles Police Department beating of Rodney King more than three decades ago — an attack that was also captured on video and that sparked widespread protests and sought to change the national conversation about police reform.

The last words heard on the video were Nichols calling for his mother three times, Crump added.

Turtleneck wrote:...and yet police departments around the country will resist citizen review boards even though they are publically funded. Many publically funded institutions have public oversight, yet police refuse to be accountable to the people who actually fund the police.

The video has not yet been officially released but is expected to be publicly shared Friday evening. It is surveillance and body-camera footage showing five Memphis police officers, who are also Black, interacting with Nichols during his arrest.

Family members and law enforcement officials who have privately reviewed the footage have described it as harrowing, showing him being kicked, punched and Tasered less than 100 yards from his home, and capturing the beating from the vantage point of multiple cameras. Nichols was violently beaten for three minutes by police officers and treated like “a human piñata,” lawyers for his family said.

“What I saw on the video today was horrific,” said Nichols’s stepfather, Rodney Wells. “No father or mother should see what we had to see.”

“I’m sickened by what I saw,” Tennessee Bureau of Investigation Director David B. Rausch told reporters Thursday, calling the officers’ actions “absolutely appalling.”

Meanwhile, Memphis Police Chief Cerelyn Davis described the circumstances surrounding Nichols’s death as “horrific” and has said she expects people to feel “outrage” when they view the footage. Davis spoke with Nichols’s family before a private viewing of the body-camera footage, warning them, “I’m not proud of what you’re about to see,” according to Wells.

Attorney Ben Crump, who is representing the family, said the body-camera footage reminded him of the Los Angeles Police Department beating of Rodney King more than three decades ago — an attack that was also captured on video and that sparked widespread protests and sought to change the national conversation about police reform.

The last words heard on the video were Nichols calling for his mother three times, Crump added.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/what-happened-to-tyre-nichols-what-we-know-about-the-memphis-police-video/ar-AA16OjNI

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:...and yet police departments around the country will resist citizen review boards even though they are publically funded. Many publically funded institutions have public oversight, yet police refuse to be accountable to the people who actually fund the police.




https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/what-happened-to-tyre-nichols-what-we-know-about-the-memphis-police-video/ar-AA16OjNI

Then i suppose we’ll have to… uh, remove the funds. Unfund. I wish there were a better word… until they comply

Trapper Gus wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Then i suppose we’ll have to… uh, remove the funds. Unfund. I wish there were a better word… until they comply

Change needs to come from within the Police, which as they keep being embarrassed by all the news reporting in their atrocities has some chance of happening, but it will take time.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Change needs to come from within the Police, which as they keep being embarrassed by all the news reporting in their atrocities has some chance of happening, but it will take time.

Something something bridge to sell you something something

Also just going to flat out ignore that you’re saying “we’ll just have to accept the unnecessary murders they keep committing until they decide they are too embarrassed about the murdering they keep doing”

Trapper Gus wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Something something bridge to sell you something something

Also just going to flat out ignore that you’re saying “we’ll just have to accept the unnecessary murders they keep committing until they decide they are too embarrassed about the murdering they keep doing”

I'm looking at the political realities, and I am not saying we don't need to try to make things better.

There is a large, and it may be a majority of the population, group that thinks everything is just fine the way it is.

Therre is a large minority of the population, the MAGA crowd, who is against any change to the police and who believe that these murders are a good thing. (Ugg)

Ignoring that completely is poor politics.

Then there is the fact that the Police Unions are politically quite powerful, and most politicians who gain office are not going to mess with them.

Thus, the "change from within the system" conclusion, as the most likely solution, and we are seeing some of that. The police being retrained to be less trigger happy is happening in some departments.

We don't have a magic wand to change what is.

DWags wrote:I have no interest in watching that horror movie. I will not for one second look at the video. Doesn’t mean that I’m not outraged. Worst term ever created was the term.” defund the police.” Good Lord, do we need money redirected into counseling, teaching police officers, how to D escalate problems, and hiring more social workers for police departments.

But there are two things I will bet anybody $1000. One, it won’t happen like it needs to happen Two, there are police officers walking around in our country right now that saw the George Floyd trial that are aware of these five police officers in Memphis, and yet will commit crimes against citizens still. Even though they know they have body cameras on. Guys, I think we’ve gone to deep into the abyss, we are one fucked up country

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

I'm looking at the political realities, and I am not saying we don't need to try to make things better.

There is a large, and it may be a majority of the population, group that thinks everything is just fine the way it is.

Therre is a large minority of the population, the MAGA crowd, who is against any change to the police and who believe that these murders are a good thing. (Ugg)

Ignoring that completely is poor politics.

Then there is the fact that the Police Unions are politically quite powerful, and most politicians who gain office are not going to mess with them.

Thus, the "change from within the system" conclusion, as the most likely solution, and we are seeing some of that. The police being retrained to be less trigger happy is happening in some departments.

We don't have a magic wand to change what is.

You are not a politician traps, and this is not a legislative body. By ignoring what actually needs to be done and not talking about it because some people won’t agree, you only ensure that those views continue to be further entrenched.

Talking about it here there and everywhere is how people get exposed to messages and come around to them. “Playing good politics” on a goddamn message board is first of all silly, but also how the current status quo continues to get further entrenched.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

You are not a politician traps, and this is not a legislative body. By ignoring what actually needs to be done and not talking about it because some people won’t agree, you only ensure that those views continue to be further entrenched.

Talking about it here there and everywhere is how people get exposed to messages and come around to them. “Playing good politics” on a goddamn message board is first of all silly, but also how the current status quo continues to get further entrenched.

Okay, I guess, though I sort of like the art of the possible over the art of the perfect.

So, discussing solutions which might actually be doable is out, in favor of just being outraged by outrageous events?

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Trapper Gus wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Then i suppose we’ll have to… uh, remove the funds. Unfund. I wish there were a better word… until they comply

Change needs to come from within the Police, which as they keep being embarrassed by all the news reporting in their atrocities has some chance of happening, but it will take time.

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Travis of the Cosmos wrote:For those of us that like to hang our hats on what’s cops say about incidents without any evidence, and those holding their breath hoping they’ll just reform on their own- the cops statement the day after

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Cameron wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Change needs to come from within the Police, which as they keep being embarrassed by all the news reporting in their atrocities has some chance of happening, but it will take time.

This might be the dumbest thought you've ever had.

Cameron wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Change needs to come from within the Police, which as they keep being embarrassed by all the news reporting in their atrocities has some chance of happening, but it will take time.

This might be the dumbest thought you've ever had.

kingstonlake wrote:

Cameron wrote:

This might be the dumbest thought you've ever had.

FDR: “December 7th, a day that will live in infamy…. but ya know, changes have to come from within Japan, we strenuously hope another attack like this will not happen again”

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Maybe if we all close our eyes tightly enough at the same time when we open then the cops will have decided they feel bad about what they’ve done

Sure yeah okay

Anyway were these cops drug tested? Just kidding I know they weren’t but every single cop should be periodically drug tested (perhaps they’ll voluntarily start doing this) and they should be immediately after this type of interaction whether they think they did anything wrong or not

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Trapper Gus wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Maybe if we all close our eyes tightly enough at the same time when we open then the cops will have decided they feel bad about what they’ve done

Sure yeah okay

Anyway were these cops drug tested? Just kidding I know they weren’t but every single cop should be periodically drug tested (perhaps they’ll voluntarily start doing this) and they should be immediately after this type of interaction whether they think they did anything wrong or not

By inference I feel like you guys are trying to pin positions on me that I haven't taken.

Of course we need outrage at the actions of the police, still lasting change will not occur until the Police decide to change their training and methods, which some departments are doing.

Report on "Bystander" Training

NPR Interview regarding police traning 2020

https://www.npr.org/2021/04/17/988331517/former-police-officer-says-training-methods-for-cops-need-to-change

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

By inference I feel like you guys are trying to pin positions on me that I haven't taken.

Of course we need outrage at the actions of the police, still lasting change will not occur until the Police decide to change their training and methods, which some departments are doing.

Report on "Bystander" Training

NPR Interview regarding police traning 2020

https://www.npr.org/2021/04/17/988331517/former-police-officer-says-training-methods-for-cops-need-to-change

Yeah the bystander was a real fuckin hit in the situation that this thread is about.

The reality that you have to wrap your mind around is that cops are by nature dim witted thugs who couldn’t get a better job and that they aren’t going to change a goddamn thing unless you drag them kicking and screaming and probably fire 75% of them.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Yeah the bystander was a real fuckin hit in the situation that this thread is about.

The reality that you have to wrap your mind around is that cops are by nature dim witted thugs who couldn’t get a better job and that they aren’t going to change a goddamn thing unless you drag them kicking and screaming and probably fire 75% of them.

Burn the system down is what the MAGA people want.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:



Burn the system down is what the MAGA people want.

Lol what? Burn the governmental system down, sure, maybe. But not cops. They fucking love cops and genuinely would prefer a police state.

kingstonlake wrote:There ain’t no amount of “training” that was going to change what happened to Nichols. Nothing.

I’m sure there’s an article I can find that will be a long read on what nuances were involved in the one cop staggering around waiting until he could get his wits about himself to beat Nichols while four other cops held him.

Yeah, more training should do the trick.  Maybe a few dale carnegie courses.

Trapper Gus wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:There ain’t no amount of “training” that was going to change what happened to Nichols. Nothing.

I’m sure there’s an article I can find that will be a long read on what nuances were involved in the one cop staggering around waiting until he could get his wits about himself to beat Nichols while four other cops held him.

Yeah, more training should do the trick.  Maybe a few dale carnegie courses.

One person's outraged opinion.

However, training works, it is why people are trained.

edit - without knowing the training in that particular department it still can be said that those officers were exhibiting the behavior that too many police people have been trained to follow, basically a military style training that "everyone who isn't a policeperson is your enemy and you must "get them" before they "get you"".

Trapper Gus wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Lol what? Burn the governmental system down, sure, maybe. But not cops. They fucking love cops and genuinely would prefer a police state.

Burn the system down is a mindless cry of outrage, which just creates chaos.  Policing needs reform.

edit - oh yah, they were sure loving the police on January 6th, 2020.

Cameron wrote:Just gonna leave this here before we fetishize spending tons of money training cops: https://defector.com/cop-city-is-a-step-toward-cop-nation

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Burn the system down is a mindless cry of outrage, which just creates chaos.  Policing needs reform.

edit - oh yah, they were sure loving the police on January 6th, 2020.

You know sometimes it’s ok to just admit that you’re dead fucking wrong.