Ohio legislature votes to weaken democracy

Weak Republicans gonna be weak Republicans.

Motown Spartan wrote:Weak Republicans gonna be weak Republicans.

The funny thing is they are voting on this thing with a simple majority to make sure it takes a super majority 60% to update the constitution.

This whole thing is only a problem if you are an unamerican shit bag that can't win with good ideas.

Hopefully the people in ohio aren't fooled. This theoretically should have absolutely unanimous opposition, who in the right mind would reduce the chances the average citizen can have a real impact on the constitution, i.e. lowering your own power? But we all know how short sighted republicans ban be. Hopefully the coalition of grievance groups (anti abortion, pro religion, pro white supremacy, etc) don't add up to be enough. I would hate to let ohio fall permanently into the loving embrace of the anti-american laughably "pro-life" republicans. Ohio is pretty strongly red right now but they have some pretty big cities, all it should take to turn it purple is to reach those folks with some strong value propositions. Democrats would probably have an easier go at it than Stacey Abram's efforts in Georgia.

Seems like the anti-amendment campaign should be "the elites don't want you to vote on the issues"

Trapper Gus wrote:Seems like the anti-amendment campaign should be "the elites don't want you to vote on the issues"

That would be one way to spin it. Democrats should pour money into painting this in conflict with republican/trumping philosophy, and one of those ways is to paint it as you say. This is in fact in conflict with historical republican philosophy (i.e. power to the people), but not in conflict with the reality of today's republican (strip all power from the people but paint it as a good thing that actually benefits the people using wedge issues like abortion). Just utterly absurd.

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:Seems like the anti-amendment campaign should be "the elites don't want you to vote on the issues"

That would be one way to spin it. Democrats should pour money into painting this in conflict with republican/trumping philosophy, and one of those ways is to paint it as you say. This is in fact in conflict with historical republican philosophy (i.e. power to the people), but not in conflict with the reality of today's republican (strip all power from the people but paint it as a good thing that actually benefits the people using wedge issues like abortion). Just utterly absurd.

This is a voter turnout battle.

Ohio GOP has seen what happened in MI. First with the MI GOP legislature being bypassed with ballot proposals like losing their power to draw legislative districts for state / Federal offices; legalization of retail marijuana; women’s reproductive rights.

In the last 6-8 years the MI GOP is on it’s at to being an opposition party. Ohio GOP noticed and is making moves to keep laws in place for decades even if Ohio Democrats might win the governorship and get legislative majorities,

GRR Spartan wrote:Ohio GOP has seen what happened in MI. First with the MI GOP legislature being bypassed with ballot proposals like losing their power to draw legislative districts for state / Federal offices; legalization of retail marijuana; women’s reproductive rights.

In the last 6-8 years the MI GOP is on it’s at to being an opposition party. Ohio GOP noticed and is making moves to keep laws in place for decades even if Ohio Democrats might win the governorship and get legislative majorities,

The Republicans tried to create limits, though not as much as these Ohio limits, but the Michigan Courts overruled most of them.

https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2022/01/michigan-supreme-court-strikes-down-law-that-made-ballot-petitions-harder.html

It's not Ohio but this political maneuver isn't proving popular, even in red states.

https://apnews.com/article/ballot-initiative-petition-voter-missouri-republican-8e4d5b8293eb864235cf347410d5d7f5

Watch the ad embedded in the tweet, it is outstanding:

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edit - only on Elon's twitter would this be considered "sensitive content" The TeeVee shows hotter sex scenes than this one every day, but they aren't ads depicting the results of the politics that Elon supports.

Trapper Gus wrote:Watch the ad embedded in the tweet, it is outstanding:

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That is... amazing..

The little snatch is amazing.

Also the trump red tie is a nice touch

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:Watch the ad embedded in the tweet, it is outstanding:

[tw]1680071525230321666[/tw]

That is... amazing..

The little snatch is amazing.

Also the trump red tie is a nice touch

Yes, the Congressman snatches that condom like Pickles on a Blue Jay before he broke his wing.

Missed the symbolism of the red tie, good catch.

Way too early polling showing Ohio voters are not okay with the Republican power grab amendment.


https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2023/07/19/ohio-issue-1-poll-finds-most-ohio-voters-oppose-august-ballot-issue/70383816007/

https://spartanswill.forumotion.com/t25198-republicans-say-abortions-should-not-be-legal-voters-say-hold-my-beer#855838

Trapper Gus wrote:Way too early polling showing Ohio voters are not okay with the Republican power grab amendment.


https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2023/07/19/ohio-issue-1-poll-finds-most-ohio-voters-oppose-august-ballot-issue/70383816007/

https://spartanswill.forumotion.com/t25198-republicans-say-abortions-should-not-be-legal-voters-say-hold-my-beer#855838

The GQP put it on the August ballot because they know only 20% - 30% of the voters will actually vote and they know if it's on the November ballot there's no way it's going to pass. They're hoping it gets passed by a minority of the majority.

Jake from State Farm wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:Way too early polling showing Ohio voters are not okay with the Republican power grab amendment.


https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2023/07/19/ohio-issue-1-poll-finds-most-ohio-voters-oppose-august-ballot-issue/70383816007/

https://spartanswill.forumotion.com/t25198-republicans-say-abortions-should-not-be-legal-voters-say-hold-my-beer#855838

The GQP put it on the August ballot because they know only 20% - 30% of the voters will actually vote and they know if it's on the November ballot there's no way it's going to pass. They're hoping it gets passed by a minority of the majority.

However, there are already signs that considerably more people will show up than Republicans expected or hoped. Cleveland.com's Andrew J. Tobias reports that about 66,300 people cast ballots during the first week of early voting, which is more than ten times the amount who cast ballots at this point in the August 2022 primary.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/7/20/2182401/-First-poll-shows-GOP-effort-to-rig-Ohio-ballot-measures-failing-badly

Be careful. JD Vance was in a dead heat three weeks out from Election Day. He won by 6% points.

This will probably have no problem passing.

If it doesn’t it may be an indicator of a shift.

21st Century Republicans doin’ what 21st Century Republicans do.

As we’ve seen with the recent indictments in MI, the only election results 21st Century Republicans can accept are those where a Republican wins. If that doesn’t happen they attempt midterm recalls.

Pray to whatever Gods you pray to that the Republicans don't win this vote.  While it doesn't personally impact me, these people are political ticks, embedding their ideological beliefs into our political system and they are trying to make it extremely difficult to uproot them.  This would play a big role in disallowing the people in the future to enact any real change not specifically sponsored by the republican party of Ohio.

I'd really hate to see a state with a similar referendum process as michigan go down, as this would essentially make any referendum susceptible to resistance by an extremist minority of voters, thereby preventing any future Change not specifically endorsed by the ruling political party.  Making this an extremely important battle in a long term war for this country.  And Republicans, through their sleezy anti- american/anti democracy tactics and naturally insidious nature have the upper hand right now making this get voted on in fucking August.  Beyond absurd

AND if Ohio were smart (questionable)... they should give it the old 1,2 and follow up winning this vote with a referendum on independent redistricting. Turn it blue.

AvgMSUJoe wrote:AND if Ohio were smart (questionable)... they should give it the old 1,2 and follow up winning this vote with a referendum on independent redistricting. Turn it blue.

It's not turning blue any time soon but it very well could in the future. Ohio has a bunch of big cities and we all know that eventually when people come together in cities and share ideas, etc, they generally start turning blue on average.

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

AvgMSUJoe wrote:AND if Ohio were smart (questionable)... they should give it the old 1,2 and follow up winning this vote with a referendum on independent redistricting. Turn it blue.

It's not turning blue any time soon but it very well could in the future. Ohio has a bunch of big cities and we all know that eventually when people come together in cities and share ideas, etc, they generally start turning blue on average.

Thought the same of MI prior to fixing the cogressional districts. Now it's raining blue baby.

Looks like the MSM has the anti-abortion supporters' backs, at least in this AP article which is trying to gaslight what the August vote on amending the Ohio Constitution is all about.

"Oh no, it's not about abortions" says the AP when everyone knows that is what it is immediately about.

Of course, longer term it is about the jackbooted minority controlling the freedom loving majority, but they don't talk about that.

https://apnews.com/article/abortion-ohio-referendum-election-2023-7ea8656d35adce9dfb8d9a9bf8c69d60

Trapper Gus wrote:Looks like the MSM has the anti-abortion supporters' backs, at least in this AP article which is trying to gaslight what the August vote on amending the Ohio Constitution is all about.

"Oh no, it's not about abortions" says the AP when everyone knows that is what it is immediately about.

Of course, longer term it is about the jackbooted minority controlling the freedom loving majority, but they don't talk about that.

https://apnews.com/article/abortion-ohio-referendum-election-2023-7ea8656d35adce9dfb8d9a9bf8c69d60

Starting next year, it also would double the number of counties where signatures must be gathered,

Didn't that same type of thing just get thrown out by the Michigan Supreme Court?

Jake from State Farm wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:Looks like the MSM has the anti-abortion supporters' backs, at least in this AP article which is trying to gaslight what the August vote on amending the Ohio Constitution is all about.

"Oh no, it's not about abortions" says the AP when everyone knows that is what it is immediately about.

Of course, longer term it is about the jackbooted minority controlling the freedom loving majority, but they don't talk about that.

https://apnews.com/article/abortion-ohio-referendum-election-2023-7ea8656d35adce9dfb8d9a9bf8c69d60

Starting next year, it also would double the number of counties where signatures must be gathered,

Didn't that same type of thing just get thrown out by the Michigan Supreme Court?

Probably under the principle of "one person one vote".

Election Day tomorrow. Early voting far higher than expected.

Trapper Gus wrote:Election Day tomorrow. Early voting far higher than expected.

The more motivated the better....(generally)

Republicans have failed to kill democracy in Ohio.

Issue 1 got slaughtered by over 2-1 in Ohio.

Big win for sanity and democracy

kingstonlake wrote:Issue 1 got slaughtered by over 2-1 in Ohio.

Big win for sanity and democracy

Did the no vote get over 60%? Is that irony?

I honestly thought that if the right wingers got this passed in Ohio tonight, it would help in the general election.

Don't think women are going to forget about the Roe v Wade being overturned by the "conservative" Trump appointed Justices regardless of how much the GOP leadership led Rona Romney McDaniel wants them to move on.