Re: Jonathan Smith is an "A" hire

by **tGreenWay** 2023-12-08, 20:17

Motown Spartan wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

Now you’re just piling on. Let’s fight.

Sword fight?

Is there any other kind?

by **MiamiSpartan** 2023-12-09, 08:32

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:
You consider bank robbers to be brilliant businessmen, don't you?

I mean, most/all companies in within capitalism are stealing or victimizing someone/something on their way to profits so what’s the difference?

This is one of the stupidest takes I've heard on here. There are over 33 million companies in the US. Literally 99.9% of those are classified as small businesses (not an exaggeration, look it up). More than 80% have fewer than 10 employees. About 2/3 have no employees other than the owners.

But Mr Enlightened OTPT here thinks that "most/all" companies are stealing or victimizing someone. Now feel free to chime in about people that scammed PPP loans or something else that is done by a tiny minority and use that to generalize across all companies again.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2023-12-09, 08:38

MiamiSpartan wrote:
Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

I mean, most/all companies in within capitalism are stealing or victimizing someone/something on their way to profits so what’s the difference?

This is one of the stupidest takes I've heard on here. There are over 33 million companies in the US. Literally 99.9% of those are classified as small businesses (not an exaggeration, look it up). More than 80% have fewer than 10 employees. About 2/3 have no employees other than the owners.

But Mr Enlightened OTPT here thinks that "most/all" companies are stealing or victimizing someone. Now feel free to chime in about people that scammed PPP loans or something else that is done by a tiny minority and use that to generalize across all companies again.

There are over 900 different college football teams but we only ever talk about the top 15 of them.

I think, given the context of his analogy, that he’s saying something like “all of the schools are constantly cheating in recruiting” and you talking about small businesses is replying with “yeah but hillsdale college doesn’t cheat you ever think about that bub??” It’s obviously not what he’s talking about.

by **DWags** 2023-12-09, 08:45

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:

This is one of the stupidest takes I've heard on here. There are over 33 million companies in the US. Literally 99.9% of those are classified as small businesses (not an exaggeration, look it up). More than 80% have fewer than 10 employees. About 2/3 have no employees other than the owners.

But Mr Enlightened OTPT here thinks that "most/all" companies are stealing or victimizing someone. Now feel free to chime in about people that scammed PPP loans or something else that is done by a tiny minority and use that to generalize across all companies again.
There are over 900 different college football teams but we only ever talk about the top 15 of them.

I think, given the context of his analogy, that he’s saying something like “all of the schools are constantly cheating in recruiting” and you talking about small businesses is replying with “yeah but hillsdale college doesn’t cheat you ever think about that bub??” It’s obviously not what he’s talking about.

Nah, hillsdale college doesn’t dress up a guy in alma gear with spy glasses on when Alma is playing Hope.

Fuck that. Oh, and I’m guessing there is way more than we know. Also, the simple recruiting violation doesn’t become a thing if you just say you did it. Lying about it will raise levels of punishment. Just like a company lying about it in court.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2023-12-09, 08:49

DWags wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
There are over 900 different college football teams but we only ever talk about the top 15 of them.

I think, given the context of his analogy, that he’s saying something like “all of the schools are constantly cheating in recruiting” and you talking about small businesses is replying with “yeah but hillsdale college doesn’t cheat you ever think about that bub??” It’s obviously not what he’s talking about.

Nah, hillsdale college doesn’t dress up a guy in alma gear with spy glasses on when Alma is playing Hope.

Fuck that. Oh, and I’m guessing there is way more than we know. Also, the simple recruiting violation doesn’t become a thing if you just say you did it. Lying about it will raise levels of punishment. Just like a company lying about it in court.

Exactly, they don’t. That’s what I’m saying. Otpt was obvious not talking about the random one store small business when he’s comparing capitalism to Michigan.

It’s all a very dumb analogy, but talking about small businesses makes even less sense given the context of what we’re talking about.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2023-12-09, 08:51

But also the essence of capitalism is stealing from others by maximizing how much you can take from them while minimizing what you give out, no matter the size of your business. If you’re going to be successful you’re going to have to do that to some extent. so I suppose there’s an argument that everyone that participates in such a system is on some level dirty, which includes all of us.

But I don’t even know what the fuck we’re talking about anymore.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-12-09, 08:53

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
DWags wrote:

Nah, hillsdale college doesn’t dress up a guy in alma gear with spy glasses on when Alma is playing Hope.

Fuck that. Oh, and I’m guessing there is way more than we know. Also, the simple recruiting violation doesn’t become a thing if you just say you did it. Lying about it will raise levels of punishment. Just like a company lying about it in court.
Exactly, they don’t. That’s what I’m saying. Otpt was obvious not talking about the random one store small business when he’s comparing capitalism to Michigan.

It’s all a very dumb analogy, but talking about small businesses makes even less sense given the context of what we’re talking about.

Or small schools cheat, like filming previous games, but few people care?

by **DWags** 2023-12-09, 09:05

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:But also the essence of capitalism is stealing from others by maximizing how much you can take from them while minimizing what you give out, no matter the size of your business. If you’re going to be successful you’re going to have to do that to some extent. so I suppose there’s an argument that everyone that participates in such a system is on some level dirty, which includes all of us.

But I don’t even know what the fuck we’re talking about anymore.

Best analogy was asking if bank robbers were good businessmen.

Also, I don’t want to turn this thread into anything other than what it is. But the little I know about everything seems like the “economy of scale” theory goes against this part of your post.

“ But also the essence of capitalism is stealing from others by maximizing how much you can take from them while minimizing what you give out, ”

Economies of scale are cost advantages reaped by companies when production becomes efficient. Companies can achieve economies of scale by increasing production and lowering costs. This happens because costs are spread over a larger number of goods. Costs can be both fixed and variable.

by the way, I just watched the Henry ford doc by Ken burns. That guy was a genius who really didn’t like Edsel, or anyone it seems. Highly recommend it

by **DWags** 2023-12-09, 09:07

Trapper Gus wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Exactly, they don’t. That’s what I’m saying. Otpt was obvious not talking about the random one store small business when he’s comparing capitalism to Michigan.

It’s all a very dumb analogy, but talking about small businesses makes even less sense given the context of what we’re talking about.

Or small schools cheat, like filming previous games, but few people care?

The rule was made specifically because many schools couldn’t afford to do in person scouting. Especially small schools.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-12-09, 09:15

DWags wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

Or small schools cheat, like filming previous games, but few people care?

The rule was made specifically because many schools couldn’t afford to do in person scouting. Especially small schools.

Not really the point. I have been at games for small schools where there are scouts from the upcoming opponents filming from the stands. At the time I didn't know it wasn't allowed.

by **NigelUno** 2023-12-09, 09:18

I think it's pretty clear that OTPT is advocating for communism. Or maybe socialism.

I don't know.

I think we got a good coach though.

by AvgMSUJoe 2023-12-09, 09:21

NigelUno wrote:I think it's pretty clear that OTPT is advocating for communism. Or maybe socialism.

I don't know.

I think we got a good coach though.

And that he's a blue... don't forget that.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-12-09, 09:23

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:
You consider bank robbers to be brilliant businessmen, don't you?

I mean, most/all companies in within capitalism are stealing or victimizing someone/something on their way to profits so what’s the difference?

I think you are misreading the "stealing or victimizing" by which he means, I believe, charging profits beyond those needed to mitigate the risks taken.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2023-12-09, 09:23

DWags wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:But also the essence of capitalism is stealing from others by maximizing how much you can take from them while minimizing what you give out, no matter the size of your business. If you’re going to be successful you’re going to have to do that to some extent. so I suppose there’s an argument that everyone that participates in such a system is on some level dirty, which includes all of us.

But I don’t even know what the fuck we’re talking about anymore.

Best analogy was asking if bank robbers were good businessmen.

Also, I don’t want to turn this thread into anything other than what it is. But the little I know about everything seems like the “economy of scale” theory goes against this part of your post.

“ But also the essence of capitalism is stealing from others by maximizing how much you can take from them while minimizing what you give out, ”

Economies of scale are cost advantages reaped by companies when production becomes efficient. Companies can achieve economies of scale by increasing production and lowering costs. This happens because costs are spread over a larger number of goods. Costs can be both fixed and variable.

by the way, I just watched the Henry ford doc by Ken burns. That guy was a genius who really didn’t like Edsel, or anyone it seems. Highly recommend it

Yes but they throw out those advantages if they sell all their products for greater than their cost. When I say in essence I’m talking even more basic than that.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2023-12-09, 09:25

Fuck if I’m gonna do it let’s make this thread the messiest bitch

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by **Trapper Gus** 2023-12-09, 09:27

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
DWags wrote:

Best analogy was asking if bank robbers were good businessmen.

Also, I don’t want to turn this thread into anything other than what it is. But the little I know about everything seems like the “economy of scale” theory goes against this part of your post.

“ But also the essence of capitalism is stealing from others by maximizing how much you can take from them while minimizing what you give out, ”

Economies of scale are cost advantages reaped by companies when production becomes efficient. Companies can achieve economies of scale by increasing production and lowering costs. This happens because costs are spread over a larger number of goods. Costs can be both fixed and variable.

by the way, I just watched the Henry ford doc by Ken burns. That guy was a genius who really didn’t like Edsel, or anyone it seems. Highly recommend it

Yes but they throw out those advantages if they sell all their products for greater than their cost. When I say in essence I’m talking even more basic than that.

Their costs plus the profits, economic technically called rents, to mitigate the risks to the capital used. They are placing a bet that the costs will be lower than the selling price, and the profit is a hedge on that risk.

Where it turns into cheating is when they are charging profits that cover beyond the expected risks.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2023-12-09, 09:29

Trapper Gus wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Yes but they throw out those advantages if they sell all their products for greater than their cost. When I say in essence I’m talking even more basic than that.

Their costs plus the profits, economic technically called rents, to mitigate the risks to the capital used. They are placing a bet that the costs will be lower than the selling price, and the profit is a hedge on that risk.

Where it turns into cheating is when they are charging profits that cover beyond the expected risks.

Sigh. Okay. Thank you Trapper.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-12-09, 09:37

His point stands that businesses & football coaches "cheat" when they can get away with it.

Small businesses which rely on repeat business don't, much, because they want the repeat customers, or the good will word of mouth.

Small college coaches probably don't, much, because of the high "cost" if caught.

Can we talk about MSU coaches now?

Does everyone believe that Smith has his DC chosen but that DC is still coaching elsewhere?

by **DWags** 2023-12-09, 09:54

Again, I know way too many coaches that don’t cheat even, as trapper says, when they know they can get away with it. It’s just a false statement.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2023-12-09, 10:15

How many of those coaches are the ones at the top of the profession, the ones were talking about, and how many are unrelated and irrelevant to the conversation strawmen?

I don’t even know what the conversation is anymore. I just think that sometimes in your guys’ quest to get otpt you get all circled around and start talking nonsense.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-12-09, 10:18

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:How many of those coaches are the ones at the top of the profession, the ones were talking about, and how many are unrelated and irrelevant to the conversation strawmen?

I don’t even know what the conversation is anymore. I just think that sometimes in your guys’ quest to get otpt you get all circled around and start talking nonsense.

I'm going to flip flop and agree that most coaches don't cheat. Regardless of size of the school.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2023-12-09, 10:24

Oh I think most of the large ones do here or there. Nothing on michigans level. They’ve always been the leaders and the best at cheating. There have just always been so many inane rules that it’d be difficult for anyone to meet all of them all the time. Breaking the rules might be a better word than cheating.

by **NigelUno** 2023-12-09, 10:25

Trapper Gus wrote:His point stands that businesses & football coaches "cheat" when they can get away with it.

Small businesses which rely on repeat business don't, much, because they want the repeat customers, or the good will word of mouth.

Small college coaches probably don't, much, because of the high "cost" if caught.

Can we talk about MSU coaches now?

Does everyone believe that Smith has his DC chosen but that DC is still coaching elsewhere?

I hope we have someone targeted.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-12-09, 10:56

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Oh I think most of the large ones do here or there. Nothing on michigans level. They’ve always been the leaders and the best at cheating. There have just always been so many inane rules that it’d be difficult for anyone to meet all of them all the time. Breaking the rules might be a better word than cheating.

Can we say they don't intentionally cheat?

by **DWags** 2023-12-09, 11:10

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:How many of those coaches are the ones at the top of the profession, the ones were talking about, and how many are unrelated and irrelevant to the conversation strawmen?

I don’t even know what the conversation is anymore. I just think that sometimes in your guys’ quest to get otpt you get all circled around and start talking nonsense.

If someone says something you disagree with you shouldn’t post? I’m already doing that in one thread on this board, I guess we can do it in others. That’s a home run idea.

by Pervis Muldoon 2023-12-09, 11:19

tGreenWay wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:It appears smith is just giving raises to everyone from osu, which makes me wonder if he's going to be a Coach D type and not throw his asst under the bus like the typical fathead internet/sports radio fan DEMAND And shitty head coaches (harbs) do to hold on to their gigs.

I noticed that and wondered the same. Smith has mentioned he’s proud of the number of assistants were with him during his entire time at OSU. I do recognize the need for consistency, but I hope Smith doesn’t show us Dantonio-type loyalty in keeping coaches who aren’t performing as needed/wanted/expected.

I loved Dantonio's loyalty. I think it's a mistake to fire people just because outsiders are complaining. It's like in Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Dennis fired Brad for threatening a customer and using profanity. The customer was happy, but was All American Burger better for losing Brad? He was the employee of the month. No way could Arnold fill his shoes. Arnold couldn't even hack it at Bronco Burger. Meanwhile, Brad ends up at Mi-T-Mart and helps foil an armed robbery. I guess what I'm trying to say is fuck Dennis Taylor.

by **MiamiSpartan** 2023-12-09, 11:39

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:

This is one of the stupidest takes I've heard on here. There are over 33 million companies in the US. Literally 99.9% of those are classified as small businesses (not an exaggeration, look it up). More than 80% have fewer than 10 employees. About 2/3 have no employees other than the owners.

But Mr Enlightened OTPT here thinks that "most/all" companies are stealing or victimizing someone. Now feel free to chime in about people that scammed PPP loans or something else that is done by a tiny minority and use that to generalize across all companies again.
There are over 900 different college football teams but we only ever talk about the top 15 of them.

I think, given the context of his analogy, that he’s saying something like “all of the schools are constantly cheating in recruiting” and you talking about small businesses is replying with “yeah but hillsdale college doesn’t cheat you ever think about that bub??” It’s obviously not what he’s talking about.

But by saying what he said, it lumps, me and every small business owner in with them. Using a blanket statement to describe 0.1% of something is a stupid ass take, IMO.

And there are absolutely degrees of cheating in coaches and business. Are you really going to lump some company that charges 10% more for a product that people have a choice to buy, with ponzi schemes or insider trading?

by **kingstonlake** 2023-12-09, 12:54

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
I don’t even know what the conversation is anymore. I just think that sometimes in your guys’ quest to get otpt you get all circled around and start talking nonsense.

At least in my case it was more a case of “getting” Harbaugh. The ships and CFP appearances OTPT mentioned are the same as mine if you excluded the years of documented and verified cheating. No ones claiming he isn’t a good coach.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2023-12-09, 14:27

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I never will understand the hostility. peace and love, brother.

by **Nordic** 2023-12-09, 14:36

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:How many of those coaches are the ones at the top of the profession, the ones were talking about, and how many are unrelated and irrelevant to the conversation strawmen?

I don’t even know what the conversation is anymore. I just think that sometimes in your guys’ quest to get otpt you get all circled around and start talking nonsense.

To be fair, this thread was off the rails long before OTPT posted

by **tGreenWay** 2023-12-09, 16:51

Pervis Muldoon wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

I noticed that and wondered the same. Smith has mentioned he’s proud of the number of assistants were with him during his entire time at OSU. I do recognize the need for consistency, but I hope Smith doesn’t show us Dantonio-type loyalty in keeping coaches who aren’t performing as needed/wanted/expected.

I loved Dantonio's loyalty. I think it's a mistake to fire people just because outsiders are complaining. It's like in Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Dennis fired Brad for threatening a customer and using profanity. The customer was happy, but was All American Burger better for losing Brad? He was the employee of the month. No way could Arnold fill his shoes. Arnold couldn't even hack it at Bronco Burger. Meanwhile, Brad ends up at Mi-T-Mart and helps foil an armed robbery. I guess what I'm trying to say is fuck Dennis Taylor.

Dennis is a chooch. If he winds up on Jonathan Smith’s coaching staff, I’m done with them.

by **Nordic** 2023-12-09, 17:38

Pervis Muldoon wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

I noticed that and wondered the same. Smith has mentioned he’s proud of the number of assistants were with him during his entire time at OSU. I do recognize the need for consistency, but I hope Smith doesn’t show us Dantonio-type loyalty in keeping coaches who aren’t performing as needed/wanted/expected.

I loved Dantonio's loyalty. I think it's a mistake to fire people just because outsiders are complaining. It's like in Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Dennis fired Brad for threatening a customer and using profanity. The customer was happy, but was All American Burger better for losing Brad? He was the employee of the month. No way could Arnold fill his shoes. Arnold couldn't even hack it at Bronco Burger. Meanwhile, Brad ends up at Mi-T-Mart and helps foil an armed robbery. I guess what I'm trying to say is fuck Dennis Taylor.

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by **Robert J Sakimano** 2023-12-09, 19:22

Pervis Muldoon wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

I noticed that and wondered the same. Smith has mentioned he’s proud of the number of assistants were with him during his entire time at OSU. I do recognize the need for consistency, but I hope Smith doesn’t show us Dantonio-type loyalty in keeping coaches who aren’t performing as needed/wanted/expected.

I loved Dantonio's loyalty. I think it's a mistake to fire people just because outsiders are complaining. It's like in Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Dennis fired Brad for threatening a customer and using profanity. The customer was happy, but was All American Burger better for losing Brad? He was the employee of the month. No way could Arnold fill his shoes. Arnold couldn't even hack it at Bronco Burger. Meanwhile, Brad ends up at Mi-T-Mart and helps foil an armed robbery. I guess what I'm trying to say is fuck Dennis Taylor.

and then Lisa breaks up with Brad.. wtf was that about? A lot had happened that year and he really needed her. He had to take the job at Captain Hook Fish n Chips as a rebound job, then the boys at IBM bah blah blah.... he thinks freakin' Nancy Wilson flirting with him at the stoplight when she's really laughing at his uniform.

So, yeah - Fuck Dennis Taylor. Long I've Mi-T Mart and the Jersey Devil tshirt.

There goes your ride.

by **tGreenWay** 2023-12-09, 20:16

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Pervis Muldoon wrote:

I loved Dantonio's loyalty. I think it's a mistake to fire people just because outsiders are complaining. It's like in Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Dennis fired Brad for threatening a customer and using profanity. The customer was happy, but was All American Burger better for losing Brad? He was the employee of the month. No way could Arnold fill his shoes. Arnold couldn't even hack it at Bronco Burger. Meanwhile, Brad ends up at Mi-T-Mart and helps foil an armed robbery. I guess what I'm trying to say is fuck Dennis Taylor.

and then Lisa breaks up with Brad.. wtf was that about? A lot had happened that year and he really needed her. He had to take the job at Captain Hook Fish n Chips as a rebound job, then the boys at IBM bah blah blah.... he thinks freakin' Nancy Wilson flirting with him at the stoplight when she's really laughing at his uniform.

So, yeah - Fuck Dennis Taylor. Long I've Mi-T Mart and the Jersey Devil tshirt.

There goes your ride.

Let’s not kid ourselves: Brad went into the bathroom to spank it every time Linda came over to swim, and Lisa had to know or at least suspect it. Him getting caught was only the confirmation.

by **DWags** 2023-12-10, 16:53

Joe Rossi runs that 3-4 defense at Minnesota. He lets an LB rush or play from a stand up position. If windmond is here and Jordan Hall grows more, they can cause some havoc. I like it. What’s up with row the boat?

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by **kingstonlake** 2023-12-10, 17:04

DWags wrote:Joe Rossi runs that 3-4 defense at Minnesota. He lets an LB rush or play from a stand up position. If windmond is here and Jordan Hall grows more, they can cause some havoc. I like it. What’s up with row the boat?

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Regressed a little this year but very solid previous.

by **tGreenWay** 2023-12-10, 17:17

DWags wrote:Joe Rossi runs that 3-4 defense at Minnesota. He lets an LB rush or play from a stand up position. If windmond is here and Jordan Hall grows more, they can cause some havoc. I like it. What’s up with row the boat?

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Row the boat should stay in Minny. I’m for Team Pootie Tang.

by **kingstonlake** 2023-12-10, 17:21

Now it’s imperative he recruits or hires someone with the last name Martini.

by **DWags** 2023-12-10, 17:30

kingstonlake wrote:Now it’s imperative he recruits or hires someone with the last name Martini.

Wouldn’t that put our team on the rocks?

by **NigelUno** 2023-12-10, 18:17

DWags wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:Now it’s imperative he recruits or hires someone with the last name Martini.

Wouldn’t that put our team on the rocks?

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