Poll About Political Stratagy of the Border Bill

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-01-29, 08:07

What Say You Fellow Bin-e-on's?

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by Zurn 2024-01-29, 09:35

Biden's handlers must have finally printed up enough ballots to send out to the millions of illegals they have let in the country and so now can turn off the spigot

by **Cameron** 2024-01-29, 10:08

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-01-29, 12:39

it's the latest attempt in a long line of the manufactured race-based outrage machine to appeal to their racist, knuckle-scrapin' christian base.

they don't care about the border and the crime/drugs that they claim the current border policy brings in. If they really care about these things, they would rethink their support of their drug-addicted criminal hero who mail-ordered an immigrant to marry.

by **steveschneider** 2024-01-29, 13:01

Robert J Sakimano wrote:it's the latest attempt in a long line of the manufactured race-based outrage machine to appeal to their racist, knuckle-scrapin' christian base.

they don't care about the border and the crime/drugs that they claim the current border policy brings in. If they really care about these things, they would rethink their support of their drug-addicted criminal hero who mail-ordered an immigrant to marry.

I think that criminal hero is winning the Latino vote. I don’t get it.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-01-29, 13:07

steveschneider wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:it's the latest attempt in a long line of the manufactured race-based outrage machine to appeal to their racist, knuckle-scrapin' christian base.

they don't care about the border and the crime/drugs that they claim the current border policy brings in. If they really care about these things, they would rethink their support of their drug-addicted criminal hero who mail-ordered an immigrant to marry.

I think that criminal hero is winning the Latino vote. I don’t get it.

I doubt he's winning it, though he's probably getting a higher percentage than he should.. hell, the fact that he's breathing the same air as everyone else is difficult for me to understand.

regardless, America is a stupid country - it's hard to be surprised about anything these days.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-01-29, 13:17

steveschneider wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:it's the latest attempt in a long line of the manufactured race-based outrage machine to appeal to their racist, knuckle-scrapin' christian base.

they don't care about the border and the crime/drugs that they claim the current border policy brings in. If they really care about these things, they would rethink their support of their drug-addicted criminal hero who mail-ordered an immigrant to marry.

I think that criminal hero is winning the Latino vote. I don’t get it.

As Bob said, he isn't winning it (overall), but he might be in Florida, where the Cuban refugees are.

It is pretty simple. Latino's (or Hispanic's, typically used interchangeably) generally lived in authoritative countries, or their parents or grandparents did, and are less uncomfortable with dictators. They also tend to be Catholics, with Catholic attitudes about social issues and abortion. Then there are all the Cuban refugees who hate the government of Cuba, or refugees from other Latin American countries and are against the US moving towards normalized relations, something they rightly see as more of a position of the Democratics than the Republicians.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-01-31, 10:13

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Very much looking like Biden has them in a box over their racist border issues.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-01-31, 14:08

As you may know, President Biden and Senate Republicans have been negotiating over a bipartisan immigration deal to address border security. Would you prefer that Democrats and Republicans:

Compromise on an immigration deal now 57%

Not make a deal now, and wait until after the 2024 elections 15%

Neither 18%

Unsure 11%

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/1/31/2220610/-New-poll-shows-most-Americans-want-an-immigration-deal-now-not-after-the-election?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=top_news_slot_1&pm_medium=web

by Zurn 2024-01-31, 14:42

Trapper Gus wrote:

Very much looking like Biden has them in a box over their racist border issues.

TrapperWorld:

Supporting Israel means you want to gas all Palestinians.
Thinking allowing 10 million unvetted people into the country is a bad thing: Racist!!

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-01-31, 15:14

Zurn wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

Very much looking like Biden has them in a box over their racist border issues.

TrapperWorld:

Supporting Israel means you want to gas all Palestinians.
Thinking allowing 10 million unvetted people into the country is a bad thing: Racist!!

Oh please, you are doing Wells 2018...

If you have a point to make just say it.

Do you think the current bipartisan bill should be passed so that the country can have the laws and money to deal with the significant number of people trying to enter the country (because the Republicans gave them the impression that Biden would open the border) or not.

by gomersbro 2024-02-01, 06:55

The border bill cannot be passed in the house because it wont give the Republicans anything to run on in November. Remember Obamacare? It was basically the Republican plan with a few minor tweaks. How many Republicans backed it? I think it was only one.

Republicans don't want to solve anything .They want to have juicy issues that they can run on to ensure they keep THEIR employment. This Congress started late because they couldn't find a speaker. Now they are ready to stop legislating just past halftime of their terms.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-02-01, 15:36

pretty entertaining watching republicans/libertarians refuse to do something about the border (other than whine).. proving that they're not really interested in doing anything about the scary brown people.. except play to their racist base about how scary the brown people are.

full disclosure: our nextdoor neighbors are not only immigrants, but they're gay... GAY!!

(like the rainbow flag type) - Shocked

I'm thankful that they're our neighbors vs. some violent "rpo-life" MAGA christian knuckle-draggin' family who wants people like our current neighbors dead.

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- (did I mention that they're {gasp} immigrants.. and {double gasp}... gay?)

by sεяεηιτλ 2024-02-01, 19:51

Zurn wrote:Biden's handlers must have finally printed up enough ballots to send out to the millions of illegals they have let in the country and so now can turn off the spigot

lol toilet guy strikes again

by sεяεηιτλ 2024-02-01, 19:56

Zurn wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

Very much looking like Biden has them in a box over their racist border issues.

TrapperWorld:

Supporting Israel means you want to gas all Palestinians.
Thinking allowing 10 million unvetted people into the country is a bad thing: Racist!!

quit lying to yourself. This has NOTHING to do with letting 10 million people in.

I thought the border wall was going to solve the issue?

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-02-02, 09:19

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Senate will hold a crucial test vote next week on legislation that would pair new policies at the southern border with wartime aid for Ukraine and other American allies, leaders pressing ahead despite heavy skepticism from Republicans and some Democrats.

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said he will set in motion a test vote on the national security package for Wednesday. However, with some Republicans resisting the timeline and many remaining uncommitted to supporting the border policy changes, the bill’s future remained uncertain.

https://apnews.com/article/congress-senate-border-security-bill-ukraine-348caee96e711403825881384b6bc46c

by **DWags** 2024-02-03, 14:09

February 3th.

You can’t fix or fight stupid.

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by **Trapper Gus** 2024-02-04, 09:03

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-02-05, 07:52

DWags wrote:February 3th.

You can’t fix or fight stupid.

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didn't know Aerosmith was so hard up for gigs.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-02-05, 08:01

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-02-05, 08:33

https://apnews.com/article/senate-border-package-asylum-ukraine-1dde30b223ebe854a48fde0497c9f227

Billions for U.S. Allies and National Security
The package contains $60 billion in aid for Ukraine and $14 billion for Israel. It would invest in domestic defense manufacturing, bolster humanitarian assistance and manage the influx of migrants at the U.S.-Mexico border. In addition, $10 billion would aid humanitarian efforts in Ukraine, Israel, Gaza and other places.

The package would also send $20 billion to immigration enforcement, providing money to hire thousands more officers to evaluate asylum claims, add hundreds of more Border Patrol agents and help stop the flow of fentanyl.

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by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-02-05, 10:10

welcome to another week of the GOP whining about their manufactured "border crisis", yet doing absolutely nothing to fix it. Poll About Political Stratagy of the Border Bill 502811600

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by gomersbro 2024-02-05, 11:58

Robert J Sakimano wrote:welcome to another week of the GOP whining about their manufactured "border crisis", yet doing absolutely nothing to fix it.

And doing Putin's bidding by not giving aid to Ukraine because the border is "broken". The real crisis is the deplorablity of the MAGA right. Hillary was correct to call them what they are. She should not have backed down.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-02-05, 12:38

gomersbro wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:welcome to another week of the GOP whining about their manufactured "border crisis", yet doing absolutely nothing to fix it.
And doing Putin's bidding by not giving aid to Ukraine because the border is "broken". The real crisis is the deplorablity of the MAGA right. Hillary was correct to call them what they are. She should not have backed down.

I remember thinking that if being called "deplorable" makes them sad, they'd better be sitting down when they hear what I call them.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-02-06, 12:07

Robert J Sakimano wrote:welcome to another week of the GOP whining about their manufactured "border crisis", yet doing absolutely nothing to fix it.

Unbelievable!

Given everything they wanted in a border bill they turn around and say they will not allow it to be voted on in the Senate because Trump thinks it gives him an issue he can win the election with.

Well at least their lust for power over governing is further out in the open.

Ukraine will soon be Russia and the only thing they want to vote to give money to is the ongoing murdering of innocents in Palinstine.

by **InTenSity** 2024-02-06, 13:09

I've been paying attention, but not paying attention. Not sure if that makes sense. Why doesn't Schumer put it through for a vote in the Senate? Does it need a simple majority or 66%? If it gets approved in the Senate, does Congress have to vote on it, or it can be killed in committee? Once it goes to the House, again, simple majority or needs 66%? Dem's need a way to get R's to vote no on record. Would Dems all vote yes on the bill, or are there some that are against it, so you need more R's to get it to pass?

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-02-06, 13:21

InTenSity wrote:I've been paying attention, but not paying attention. Not sure if that makes sense. Why doesn't Schumer put it through for a vote in the Senate? Does it need a simple majority or 66%? If it gets approved in the Senate, does Congress have to vote on it, or it can be killed in committee? Once it goes to the House, again, simple majority or needs 66%? Dem's need a way to get R's to vote no on record. Would Dems all vote yes on the bill, or are there some that are against it, so you need more R's to get it to pass?

I will try to keep it short...

In the Senate to bring it up for a vote it takes 60 Sentor's voting to close debate. Democratics have 51, so at least 9 Repeblican votes are needed and if the Republican leadership tells them not to vote for closure it will not be voted on.

In the House to be voted upon it has to be "moved to the floor" from the Rules Committee, which is loaded with Republicans. So it will not get to the floor there either.

Both chambers can change these rules, but they will not.

Neither chamber is required to vote on a bill just because the other did. They are independent in that.

The above is the "brief" explainainations, the rules are more complex than that but the above explains enough.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-02-06, 13:38

Trapper Gus wrote:
InTenSity wrote:I've been paying attention, but not paying attention. Not sure if that makes sense. Why doesn't Schumer put it through for a vote in the Senate? Does it need a simple majority or 66%? If it gets approved in the Senate, does Congress have to vote on it, or it can be killed in committee? Once it goes to the House, again, simple majority or needs 66%? Dem's need a way to get R's to vote no on record. Would Dems all vote yes on the bill, or are there some that are against it, so you need more R's to get it to pass?

I will try to keep it short...

In the Senate to bring it up for a vote it takes 60 Sentor's voting to close debate. Democratics have 51, so at least 9 Repeblican votes are needed and if the Republican leadership tells them not to vote for closure it will not be voted on.

In the House to be voted upon it has to be "moved to the floor" from the Rules Committee, which is loaded with Republicans. So it will not get to the floor there either.

Both chambers can change these rules, but they will not.

Neither chamber is required to vote on a bill just because the other did. They are independent in that.

The above is the "brief" explainainations, the rules are more complex than that but the above explains enough.

damn, dude.. somebody paid attention when watching Schoolhouse Rock.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-02-06, 13:51

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

I will try to keep it short...

In the Senate to bring it up for a vote it takes 60 Sentor's voting to close debate. Democratics have 51, so at least 9 Repeblican votes are needed and if the Republican leadership tells them not to vote for closure it will not be voted on.

In the House to be voted upon it has to be "moved to the floor" from the Rules Committee, which is loaded with Republicans. So it will not get to the floor there either.

Both chambers can change these rules, but they will not.

Neither chamber is required to vote on a bill just because the other did. They are independent in that.

The above is the "brief" explainainations, the rules are more complex than that but the above explains enough.
damn, dude.. somebody paid attention when watching Schoolhouse Rock.

Oh there are many more details, but in the late 60's when I was in high school in Michigan, Civics was a required course and the basics of how the Congress worked was part of it. Schoolhouse Rock I've heard of but never seen.

by **InTenSity** 2024-02-06, 14:54

Thanks for the explanation. I figured it was the case. Schumer could still bring it to a vote though, right? Although I guess that is why I saw a headline that Senate R's would Filibuster their own bill.
John Stewart is back at the Daily Show, so I bet he's going to have a blast with this one.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-02-07, 08:24

The United States has had a porous border with Mexico for decades, and the situation has worsened in the past few years, with more than 10,000 people entering the U.S. on some days. Many then remain for years, even without a visa or citizenship. Mayors, governors, and immigration experts — as well as voters — have long urged Congress to fix the problem.

This week, a bipartisan group of senators released a plan for doing so. And for anybody who has grown cynical about Washington, the plan offered reasons for both surprise and further cynicism.

The surprising part is that productive bipartisanship seems to be alive, even on an issue as divisive as immigration. A wide range of experts say that the Senate plan — negotiated by James Lankford, an Oklahoma Republican; Chris Murphy, a Connecticut Democrat; and Kyrsten Sinema, an Arizona independent — would strengthen border security and reduce illegal immigration.

The measure has the support of business lobbying groups as well as the organization representing the mayors of every U.S. city with a population above 30,000. The labor union for border-patrol agents, which endorsed Donald Trump in 2020, supports the plan. So do the editorial boards of The Washington Post, which leans left, and The Wall Street Journal, which is deeply conservative.

https://www.axios.com/2024/02/07/congress-israel-ukraine-house-republicans

Lawmakers in both chambers of Congress are searching desperately for alternate routes to pass aid to Ukraine and Israel after the implosion of the House's Israel bill and the Senate's national security package.

Why it matters: For Ukraine in particular, there is bipartisan concern that the aid could mean the difference between continued resistance and defeat at the hands of Russian forces in the coming months.

"We cannot walk away from Ukraine," said Rep. Annie Kuster (D-N.H.). "I would venture to say thousands of American lives will be lost if we do, because Putin will go into Poland and … we'll respond and WWIII will be upon us."

Driving the news: Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) plans to remove the border provisions from the Senate supplemental and hold a vote on it with just Israel, Ukraine and Taiwan aid, Axios' Stef Kight reported.

That plan looks foredoomed to failure in the House.

"So they're going to send us a multibillion dollar package without pay-fors to secure the Ukrainian border without securing our southern border? Good luck," Rep. Kelly Armstrong (R-N.D.) told Axios.

https://www.axios.com/2024/02/07/senate-democrats-border-ukraine-israel-vote

The Senate is set to vote twice Wednesday on aid for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan — once including the embattled border deal and a second time without it, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) has told Democrats.

Why it matters: Republicans will now be forced to decide whether they're willing to move forward on aid for U.S. allies without the border concessions they initially demanded.

The double vote means some Senate Republicans could vote twice in a day to block much-needed help for U.S. allies.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-02-07, 11:24

“[I]f the bill fails,” Biden told Republicans, “I want to be absolutely clear about something: The American people are going to know why it failed. I’ll be taking this issue to the country, and the voters are going to know that…just at the moment we were going to secure the border and fund these other programs, Trump and the MAGA Republicans said no because they’re afraid of Donald Trump.”

“Every day between now and November, the American people are going to know that the only reason the border is not secure is Donald Trump and his MAGA Republican friends. It’s time for Republicans in the Congress to show a little courage, to show a little spine to make it clear to the American people that you work for them and not for anyone else.”

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/february-6-2024

Joe gave the Republicans the rope that he is going to hang them with.

by **duffy munn** 2024-02-07, 11:37

Zurn wrote:Biden's handlers must have finally printed up enough ballots to send out to the millions of illegals they have let in the country and so now can turn off the spigot

Ok, Travlin Man

by **kingstonlake** 2024-02-07, 12:27

Man I hope the average American is smart enough to see how this is blowing up spectacularly in the GOP face. The DNC better be preparing a really simple ad strategy to point out the hypocrisy of the GOP.

Side note. Will anyone with a bigger profile than say Chris Christie go public on the cancer to the GOP that Trump is? He’s literally getting whatever he wants and it keeps burning them.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-02-07, 12:36

duffy munn wrote:
Zurn wrote:Biden's handlers must have finally printed up enough ballots to send out to the millions of illegals they have let in the country and so now can turn off the spigot

Ok, Travlin Man

hey, now.. Tavelin Man worked hard to get to where he is. Wink

by **DWags** 2024-02-07, 12:59

duffy munn wrote:
Zurn wrote:Biden's handlers must have finally printed up enough ballots to send out to the millions of illegals they have let in the country and so now can turn off the spigot

Ok, Travlin Man

until, like most MAGA’s he becomes dishonest we’ll let it go. Differing views always welcomed.

by Rick Saunders 2024-02-07, 16:09

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

I will try to keep it short...

In the Senate to bring it up for a vote it takes 60 Sentor's voting to close debate. Democratics have 51, so at least 9 Repeblican votes are needed and if the Republican leadership tells them not to vote for closure it will not be voted on.

In the House to be voted upon it has to be "moved to the floor" from the Rules Committee, which is loaded with Republicans. So it will not get to the floor there either.

Both chambers can change these rules, but they will not.

Neither chamber is required to vote on a bill just because the other did. They are independent in that.

The above is the "brief" explainainations, the rules are more complex than that but the above explains enough.
damn, dude.. somebody paid attention when watching Schoolhouse Rock.

Is this a Jack Sheldon board or a Blossom Dearie board?

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-02-07, 17:40

Rick Saunders wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:damn, dude.. somebody paid attention when watching Schoolhouse Rock.

Is this a Jack Sheldon board or a Blossom Dearie board?

Both.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-02-08, 09:25

Murray: GOP telling allies ‘our word can’t be trusted’
Senate Appropriations Chair Patty Murray, a Washington state Democrat, urged Republicans to take the issues in the bills seriously and not as a “game,” pointing to the wars in Ukraine and Israel, as well as the Southwest border.

“By voting it down, Republicans will be telling our allies, our word cannot be trusted. Telling dictators, like Putin, that our threats are not serious, telling the world American leadership has been hollowed out by Republican obstructionism,” Murray said.

“And let’s be clear, they will be telling the American people they don’t want to solve the crisis at the border, they want to campaign on it,” Murray added. “Because if you genuinely believe something is a crisis you take any step you can to address it, you don’t let a fire burn because Donald Trump wants to campaign on ashes.”

https://michiganadvance.com/2024/02/08/u-s-senate-kills-immigration-overhaul-hits-stalemate-on-israel-ukraine-aid/

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-02-08, 13:46

It is being reported that the Senate has voted to close debate on the stand alone Foreign Aid Package Bill for Ukraine, Israel & Taiwan.

If correct this is a BFD as this bill should easily pass its up or down majority vote, which will put the pressure on the Speaker of the House to bring it to the floor of the House where it would easily pass.

This could be a big win for the United States, globally.

edit - It would be even better for the US if the Republicans came to their senses and decided to put the negotiated border provisions back in the bill. Not because they are great, because they aren't, but because they may be the best that can be done.

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