Re: t2024 presidential election thread. Let’s do this. Biden v. Trump II

[Trapper Gus]

Time for an update:

https://spartanswill.forumotion.com/t25919-rfk-jr-says-hes-considering-aaron-rodgers-and-jesse-ventura-as-veep-running-mates

Listing the possibles in order with strikeouts for ones not in the running & bold for those declared.

Democratic:
1 - Joe Biden - Has the delegates for the nomination - first to that wire.

NB - Cenk Kadir Uygur

1 - Vice President Kamala Harris
2 - California Governor Gavin Newsom
3 - Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer
4 - Senator Bernie Sanders
5 - Senator Elizabeth Warren
6 - Senator Raphael Warnock
7 - Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg
8 - Beto O’Rourke
9 - Stacey Abrams
10 - Senator Cory Booker
11 - Senator Amy Klobuchar
12 - Maryland Governor Wes Moore
13 - Senator Mark Kelly
14 - Senator Tammy Baldwin
15 - Colorado Governor Jared Polis
16 - North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper
17 - Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro
18 - New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy
19 - Illinois Governor JB Pritzker
20 - Rep. Tim Ryan
21 - Ex - Montana Governor Steve Bullock
22 - Senator John Fetterman
24 - US House Representative Ro Khanna
23 - Ex - Judge Cheri Beasley
25 - Gina Raimondo
26 - Marianne Williamson  Maybe yes, Maybe no
27 - Robert F Kennedy Jr
NB - Dean Phillips


Republican:
1 - Donald Trump - Has the delegates for the nomination - second to that wire.

16 - Ex US Representative Liz Cheney

1a - Florida Governor Ron DeSantis
2 - Ex-VP Mike Pence
3 - Ex Governor Nikki Haley
4 - Georgia Governor Brian Kemp
5 - Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin
6 - New Hampshire Governor Chris Sununu
7 - South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem
8 - Ex Maryland Governor Larry Hogan
9 - Ex Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson
10 - Mike Pompeo
11 - Senator Ted Cruz
13 - Senator Tim Scott
12 - Senator Marco Rubio
14 - Ex New Jersey Governor Chris Christie
15 - John Bolton
17 - Larry Elder
18 - Vivek Ramaswamy
ND - Miami Mayor Francis Suarez
ND - Ex US Representative Will Hurd
ND - North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum

No-Lable Party:

2 - Joe Lieberman?
1 - Joe Manchin
3 - Liz Cheney?
4 - Mitt Romney?
5 - former Governor of Utah Jon Huntsman

Green Party:
1 - Jill Stein

2 - Cornel West

Independent:
1 - Cornel West

Libertarian
1 - Robert F Kennedy Jr

Today, Democratic voters in Georgia gave President Joe Biden enough delegates to win the Democratic nomination for president when the Democratic National Convention is held in August. Republican voters in Georgia, Hawaii, Mississippi, and Washington gave Trump enough delegates to win the Republican presidential nomination, although former South Carolina governor Nikki Haley, who dropped out of the race last week, continues to win voters—more than 21% in Washington.

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this fucking guy

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SAGINAW, Mich. (AP) — Hurley Coleman Jr.'s parents were drawn to Michigan from the South by the promise of middle-class jobs in the booming automotive industry, an origin story shared by many African American families in Saginaw.

Mass layoffs beginning in the late 20th century precipitated a dramatic decline in Saginaw’s population and economy, accompanied by a sharp rise in political turmoil within the city and throughout the region around it. This unrest peaked in 2016, mirroring the trend set off by economic stress in many Rust Belt cities, when the area voted Republican for the first time in decades and helped Donald Trump win the state.

“There was unrest in so many corners, in so many ways and it just happened that you had a candidate who was irascible enough to be able to tap into that unrest,” said Coleman. “There are a lot of people who still have that unrest, but they’re paying attention now.”

https://apnews.com/article/biden-michigan-bellwether-trump-fc3e077e7faac7d6fe785527303cef3e

[AvgMSUJoe]

SAGINAW, Mich. (AP) — Hurley Coleman Jr.'s parents were drawn to Michigan from the South by the promise of middle-class jobs in the booming automotive industry, an origin story shared by many African American families in Saginaw.

Mass layoffs beginning in the late 20th century precipitated a dramatic decline in Saginaw’s population and economy, accompanied by a sharp rise in political turmoil within the city and throughout the region around it. This unrest peaked in 2016, mirroring the trend set off by economic stress in many Rust Belt cities, when the area voted Republican for the first time in decades and helped Donald Trump win the state.

“There was unrest in so many corners, in so many ways and it just happened that you had a candidate who was irascible enough to be able to tap into that unrest,” said Coleman. “There are a lot of people who still have that unrest, but they’re paying attention now.”

https://apnews.com/article/biden-michigan-bellwether-trump-fc3e077e7faac7d6fe785527303cef3e

That's about right. 90% of the union Dems from the 80's were that way because "the job". Paycheck before anything else. (or something like that). Many of them were NRA types.

[Trapper Gus]

Hopefully the final (but one fore no-labels) update:

"Cenk Uygur’s presidential campaign can’t possibly be the reason for this because he has already ended it."

https://spartanswill.forumotion.com/t25919-rfk-jr-says-hes-considering-aaron-rodgers-and-jesse-ventura-as-veep-running-mates

Listing the possibles in order with strikeouts for ones not in the running & bold for those declared.

Democratic:
1 - Joe Biden - Has the delegates for the nomination - first to that wire.



1 - Vice President Kamala Harris
2 - California Governor Gavin Newsom
3 - Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer
4 - Senator Bernie Sanders
5 - Senator Elizabeth Warren
6 - Senator Raphael Warnock
7 - Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg
8 - Beto O’Rourke
9 - Stacey Abrams
10 - Senator Cory Booker
11 - Senator Amy Klobuchar
12 - Maryland Governor Wes Moore
13 - Senator Mark Kelly
14 - Senator Tammy Baldwin
15 - Colorado Governor Jared Polis
16 - North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper
17 - Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro
18 - New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy
19 - Illinois Governor JB Pritzker
20 - Rep. Tim Ryan
21 - Ex - Montana Governor Steve Bullock
22 - Senator John Fetterman
24 - US House Representative Ro Khanna
23 - Ex - Judge Cheri Beasley
25 - Gina Raimondo
26 - Marianne Williamson  Maybe yes, Maybe no
27 - Robert F Kennedy Jr
NB - Dean Phillips
NB - Cenk Kadir Uygur


Republican:
1 - Donald Trump - Has the delegates for the nomination - second to that wire.

1a - Florida Governor Ron DeSantis
2 - Ex-VP Mike Pence
3 - Ex Governor Nikki Haley
4 - Georgia Governor Brian Kemp
5 - Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin
6 - New Hampshire Governor Chris Sununu
7 - South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem
8 - Ex Maryland Governor Larry Hogan
9 - Ex Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson
10 - Mike Pompeo
11 - Senator Ted Cruz
13 - Senator Tim Scott
12 - Senator Marco Rubio
14 - Ex New Jersey Governor Chris Christie
15 - John Bolton
16 - Ex US Representative Liz Cheney - not going to join the game, maybe 2028
17 - Larry Elder
18 - Vivek Ramaswamy
ND - Miami Mayor Francis Suarez
ND - Ex US Representative Will Hurd
ND - North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum




No-Lable Party:

2 - Joe Lieberman?
1 - Joe Manchin
3 - Liz Cheney?
4 - Mitt Romney?
5 - former Governor of Utah Jon Huntsman

Green Party:
1 - Jill Stein

2 - Cornel West

Independent:
1 - Cornel West

Libertarian
1 - Robert F Kennedy Jr

[gomersbro]

Joe Lieberman, really? So everyone's problem with Joe is that he is too old. And "no labels" goes out and finds someone OLDER?

[Robert J Sakimano]

Joe Lieberman, really? So everyone's problem with Joe is that he is too old. And "no labels" goes out and finds someone OLDER?

pssst... their problem isn't that he's 'too old'. It's just the excuse they use in an attempt to support the person they really want to support but just don't have to the courage to say out loud because they know what that would say about them.

[Trapper Gus]

Joe Lieberman, really? So everyone's problem with Joe is that he is too old. And "no labels" goes out and finds someone OLDER?

I have him there as a placeholder because no one else wants it. I think it will be someone younger.

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[Trapper Gus]

So, Trump's first term destroyed much of the population's belief in science as a tool for the betterment of humankind...

Trump & the Republicans, a disaster that never stops destroying our country.

https://www.axios.com/2024/03/16/covid-political-vaccine-skepticism-misinformation

A second term for former President Trump would be like the first, but "on turbo," House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) told The New Yorker. (Gog Save Us - TG)

The intrigue: Kirkpatrick, however, writes: "Saying that you admire Trump for his policies ... recalls the way men used to say that they read Playboy for the articles."

https://www.axios.com/2024/03/16/mike-johnson-trump-second-term

[Robert J Sakimano]

read that the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator and convicted rapist is already promising a 'bloodbath' from his 'pro-life' supporters if he isn't elected in November.

[Trapper Gus]

https://www.axios.com/2024/03/20/melania-trump-2024-campaign-trail-appearances

[Robert J Sakimano]

https://www.axios.com/2024/03/20/melania-trump-2024-campaign-trail-appearances

hopefully she'll put on some clothes.

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[Trapper Gus]

Here Are the Only Swing Voters You Need to Care About in 2024

One percent of the US population spread across seven states could decide this election.

All told, there were 30.6 million votes in Swinglandia in the previous presidential election. Add them up and here’s the split: 15.4 million for Biden, 15.2 million for Trump. Tight as a tick. Biden collectively won this bloc 50.4 percent to 49.6 percent. That was much closer than the national tally: 51.3 percent to 46.9 percent for Biden.

These states will probably be where the election, once again, is decided. If Biden is victorious in any four of them, he will win (absent any major surprise elsewhere). If he places first in three, he will have to do so in a combination that yields him at least 41 electoral votes. (Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin would do the trick for him, with three votes to spare.) If he only bags two of these seven states, he will be out of a job.

Trump needs to win an assortment of four of these states that provide 54 electoral votes (not all combos of four will do that). (You can do the math at home. Here are the states’ electoral votes: Arizona, 11; Georgia, 16; Michigan, 15; Nevada, 6; North Carolina, 16, Pennsylvania, 19; and Wisconsin, 10.)

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[Trapper Gus]

Hopefully the final (but one fore no-labels) update:

Joseph Lieberman, Senator and vice-presidential candidate, dies at 82

Listing the possibles in order with strikeouts for ones not in the running & bold for those declared.

Democratic:
1 - Joe Biden - Has the delegates for the nomination - first to that wire.



1 - Vice President Kamala Harris
2 - California Governor Gavin Newsom
3 - Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer
4 - Senator Bernie Sanders
5 - Senator Elizabeth Warren
6 - Senator Raphael Warnock
7 - Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg
8 - Beto O’Rourke
9 - Stacey Abrams
10 - Senator Cory Booker
11 - Senator Amy Klobuchar
12 - Maryland Governor Wes Moore
13 - Senator Mark Kelly
14 - Senator Tammy Baldwin
15 - Colorado Governor Jared Polis
16 - North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper
17 - Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro
18 - New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy
19 - Illinois Governor JB Pritzker
20 - Rep. Tim Ryan
21 - Ex - Montana Governor Steve Bullock
22 - Senator John Fetterman
24 - US House Representative Ro Khanna
23 - Ex - Judge Cheri Beasley
25 - Gina Raimondo
26 - Marianne Williamson  Maybe yes, Maybe no
27 - Robert F Kennedy Jr
NB - Dean Phillips
NB - Cenk Kadir Uygur


Republican:
1 - Donald Trump - Has the delegates for the nomination - second to that wire.

1a - Florida Governor Ron DeSantis
2 - Ex-VP Mike Pence
3 - Ex Governor Nikki Haley
4 - Georgia Governor Brian Kemp
5 - Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin
6 - New Hampshire Governor Chris Sununu
7 - South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem
8 - Ex Maryland Governor Larry Hogan
9 - Ex Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson
10 - Mike Pompeo
11 - Senator Ted Cruz
13 - Senator Tim Scott
12 - Senator Marco Rubio
14 - Ex New Jersey Governor Chris Christie
15 - John Bolton
16 - Ex US Representative Liz Cheney - not going to join the game, maybe 2028
17 - Larry Elder
18 - Vivek Ramaswamy
ND - Miami Mayor Francis Suarez
ND - Ex US Representative Will Hurd
ND - North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum


No-Lable Party
??

2 - Joe Lieberman?
1 - Joe Manchin
3 - Liz Cheney?
4 - Mitt Romney?
5 - former Governor of Utah Jon Huntsman
6 - fomer New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie


Green Party:
1 - Jill Stein

2 - Cornel West

Independent:
1 - Cornel West

Libertarian
1 - Robert F Kennedy Jr

[TravelinMan]

Hopefully the final (but one fore no-labels) update:

Joseph Lieberman, Senator and vice-presidential candidate, dies at 82

Listing the possibles in order with strikeouts for ones not in the running & bold for those declared.

Democratic:
1 - Joe Biden - Has the delegates for the nomination - first to that wire.



1 - Vice President Kamala Harris
2 - California Governor Gavin Newsom
3 - Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer
4 - Senator Bernie Sanders
5 - Senator Elizabeth Warren
6 - Senator Raphael Warnock
7 - Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg
8 - Beto O’Rourke
9 - Stacey Abrams
10 - Senator Cory Booker
11 - Senator Amy Klobuchar
12 - Maryland Governor Wes Moore
13 - Senator Mark Kelly
14 - Senator Tammy Baldwin
15 - Colorado Governor Jared Polis
16 - North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper
17 - Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro
18 - New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy
19 - Illinois Governor JB Pritzker
20 - Rep. Tim Ryan
21 - Ex - Montana Governor Steve Bullock
22 - Senator John Fetterman
24 - US House Representative Ro Khanna
23 - Ex - Judge Cheri Beasley
25 - Gina Raimondo
26 - Marianne Williamson  Maybe yes, Maybe no
27 - Robert F Kennedy Jr
NB - Dean Phillips
NB - Cenk Kadir Uygur


Republican:
1 - Donald Trump - Has the delegates for the nomination - second to that wire.

1a - Florida Governor Ron DeSantis
2 - Ex-VP Mike Pence
3 - Ex Governor Nikki Haley
4 - Georgia Governor Brian Kemp
5 - Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin
6 - New Hampshire Governor Chris Sununu
7 - South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem
8 - Ex Maryland Governor Larry Hogan
9 - Ex Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson
10 - Mike Pompeo
11 - Senator Ted Cruz
13 - Senator Tim Scott
12 - Senator Marco Rubio
14 - Ex New Jersey Governor Chris Christie
15 - John Bolton
16 - Ex US Representative Liz Cheney - not going to join the game, maybe 2028
17 - Larry Elder
18 - Vivek Ramaswamy
ND - Miami Mayor Francis Suarez
ND - Ex US Representative Will Hurd
ND - North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum




No-Lable Party
??

2 - Joe Lieberman?
1 - Joe Manchin
3 - Liz Cheney?
4 - Mitt Romney?
5 - former Governor of Utah Jon Huntsman

Green Party:
1 - Jill Stein

2 - Cornel West

Independent:
1 - Cornel West

Libertarian
1 - Robert F Kennedy Jr

RIP Liberman. 82 is awfully old to be in politics. Just sayin'...

[Trapper Gus]

Hopefully the final (but one fore no-labels) update:

Joseph Lieberman, Senator and vice-presidential candidate, dies at 82

RIP Liberman. 82 is awfully old to be in politics. Just sayin'...

But 78 years old is just fine as long as the person is running to be a dictator.

[Trapper Gus]

Does anyone else think that the Trump campaign isn't planning on winning the election in the states?

My feeling is they are planning on trying to disrupt the election in multiple states and then try to move the election from the EC to the House.

[DWags]

Does anyone else think that the Trump campaign isn't planning on winning the election in the states?

My feeling is they are planning on trying to disrupt the election in multiple states and then try to move the election from the EC to the House.

They’re litmus test in order to join the campaign as if people “ believe the 2020 election was stolen”


Man, it’s gonna get really really bad next fall. I don’t get how logical educated people don’t see this coming I’m scared for my daughters

[Robert J Sakimano]

Does anyone else think that the Trump campaign isn't planning on winning the election in the states?

My feeling is they are planning on trying to disrupt the election in multiple states and then try to move the election from the EC to the House.

They’re litmus test in order to join the campaign as if people “ believe the 2020 election was stolen”


Man, it’s gonna get really really bad next fall. I don’t get how logical educated people don’t see this coming I’m scared for my daughters

racism, bigotry and misogyny - when inspired by religion - is a strong motivator with potentially tragic consequences.

[TravelinMan]

RIP Liberman. 82 is awfully old to be in politics. Just sayin'...

But 78 years old is just fine as long as the person is running to be a dictator.

78 will be 82 at the end of four years.

Honestly, if you're eligible for Social Security, I'd question whether you should be running or not. But that's just me being ageist, I guess.

[Robert J Sakimano]

But 78 years old is just fine as long as the person is running to be a dictator.

78 will be 82 at the end of four years.

Honestly, if you're eligible for Social Security, I'd question whether you should be running or not. But that's just me being ageist, I guess.

what if they claim to have worked hard to get to where they are?

[TravelinMan]

78 will be 82 at the end of four years.

Honestly, if you're eligible for Social Security, I'd question whether you should be running or not. But that's just me being ageist, I guess.

what if they claim to have worked hard to get to where they are?

Then they're obviously the best type of people.

But seriously, when has a politician ever worked hard?

[Trapper Gus]

what if they claim to have worked hard to get to where they are?

Then they're obviously the best type of people.

But seriously, when has a politician ever worked hard?

Biden works very hard Trump hasn't worked a minute in his life.

[Robert J Sakimano]

what if they claim to have worked hard to get to where they are?

Then they're obviously the best type of people.  

But seriously, when has a politician ever worked hard?

as someone who has never worked hard at anything ('cause I have other things to do), I'm not the best person to ask.

[Robert J Sakimano]

Then they're obviously the best type of people.

But seriously, when has a politician ever worked hard?

Biden works very hard Trump hasn't worked a minute in his life.

I would argue that the racist, bigoted, christian sexual predator and convicted rapist works at getting his followers to not respect the courts, the judicial system and the Constitution.

[TravelinMan]

Then they're obviously the best type of people.

But seriously, when has a politician ever worked hard?

Biden works very hard Trump hasn't worked a minute in his life.

Maybe that's why he's Sleepy Joe?

[Trapper Gus]

Biden works very hard Trump hasn't worked a minute in his life.

Maybe that's why he's Sleepy Joe?  

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"Sleepy Joe" has  visited 8 states holding multiple events in each while Trump hasn't much moved his lazy fat ass from Florida...

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[Jake from State Farm]

Maybe that's why he's Sleepy Joe?  

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"Sleepy Joe" has  visited 8 states holding multiple events in each while Trump hasn't much moved his lazy fat ass from Florida...

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Trump looks like he's in his late 80s without all his orange makeup.

[Robert J Sakimano]

Funny how the republican/libertarian folks buy into the "Sleepy Joe" mainstream media trope.

[AvgMSUJoe]

Age isnt a win for either. Silly to bring it up.

[Motown Spartan]

Funny how the republican/libertarian folks buy into the "Sleepy Joe" mainstream media trope.

Not only is he Sleepy Joe but he’s also an international crime leader.

[Trapper Gus]

https://coming42.livejournal.com/479179.html

A pretty biting but spot on description of DJT

[Travis of the Cosmos]

https://coming42.livejournal.com/479179.html

A pretty biting but spot on description of DJT

Please don’t ever link to live journal again I spent years making jokes about just such a scenario before you got here. Real ones will know what I’m talking about.

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