Ebola......

LoneWolfSparty wrote:I bought another gun today. Just in case.

Well that I flippin love guns....

LoneWolfSparty wrote:

No one cares what you think. Idiot.

steveschneider wrote:

Go suck one.

LooseGoose wrote:

We started moving reinforcements into the bunk house today.

I project we can hold out for 3-5 years while the 'Bola runs it's course.

I'm hoping the world will be a better, more loving place when this is over.

Let me know if you want to bring the Schwinn inside the perimeter Bob.

LoneWolfSparty wrote:

I will after your mom finishes with it.

LoneWolfSparty wrote:

I will after your mom finishes with it.

A nursing supervisor faced resistance from hospital authorities when the supervisor demanded that Duncan be moved to an isolation unit, the nurses said, according to the union.

After expressing concerns that their necks were exposed even as they wore protective gear, the nurses were told to wrap their necks with medical tape, the union says.
"They were told to use medical tape and had to use four to five pieces of medical tape wound around their neck. The nurses have expressed a lot of concern about how difficult it is to remove the tape from their neck," Burger said.

The_Dude wrote:TentCity...old news is old. Our prison system is for profit too. Also what do you think big pharma does? They only care about coming out with drugs to help people if it makes them money.

However, of course hospitals here have no idea what to do with a potential ebola patient. Isnt that why we have the CDC? To take control of these situations over local hospitals?

InTenSity wrote:To get political, but the scary thing about Ebola. Treating it in the US isn't profitable, the hospitals don't have a protocol for dealing with the virus because they never thought they would need to. The US is only about profits, and if it isn't profitable, then there is no reason to be ready to deal with it, administration is going to make medical decisions based on whether or not it is good for the hospitals bottom line. 






If true, that is scary. The hospital would have resisted putting Duncan in isolation because most likely he didn't have insurance, so infecting other people with a deadly disease is a better option than isolating someone without insurance. US healthcare is an illusion and if Ebola makes it here, we will find out how 'superior' our for profit healthcare system really is.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:all of my silliness aside, there are two main reasons that the United States has sat back and allowed this problem to manifest and eventually show up on our shores:

1. There is no money to be made in the vaccine... or an experimental vaccine. Plain and simple.

Bottom line - money drives everything. If you think otherwise, you're either naive or not being honest with yourself.

The woman who heads that office, and reports directly to the HHS secretary, has been mysteriously invisible from the public handling of this threat. And she’s still on the job even though three years ago she was embroiled in a huge scandal of funneling a major stream of funding to a company with ties to a Democratic donor—and away from a company that was developing a treatment now being used on Ebola patients.

You can—and should—read all about it in the Los Angeles Times‘ excellent front-page expose from November 2011, headlined: “Cost, need questioned in $433-million smallpox drug deal: A company controlled by a longtime political donor gets a no-bid contract to supply an experimental remedy for a threat that may not exist.” This Forbes piece is also interesting.

The donor is billionaire Ron Perelman, who was controlling shareholder of Siga. He’s a huge Democratic donor but he also gets Republicans to play for his team, of course. Siga was under scrutiny even back in October 2010 when The Huffington Post reported that it had named labor leader Andy Stern to its board and “compensated him with stock options that would become dramatically more valuable if the company managed to win the contract it sought with HHS—an agency where Stern has deep connections, having helped lead the year-plus fight for health care reform as then head of the Service Employees International Union.”

The award was controversial from almost every angle—including disputes about need, efficacy, and extremely high costs. There were also complaints about awarding a company of its size and structure a small business award as well as the negotiations involved in granting the award. It was so controversial that even Democrats in tight election races were calling for investigations.

Last month, Siga filed for bankruptcy after it was found liable for breaching a licensing contract. The drug it’s been trying to develop, which was projected to have limited utility, has not really panned out—yet the feds have continued to give valuable funds to the company even though the law would permit them to recoup some of their costs or to simply stop any further funding.

The Los Angeles Times revealed that, during the fight over the grant, Lurie wrote to Siga’s chief executive, Dr. Eric A. Rose, to tell him that someone new would be taking over the negotiations with the company. She wrote, “I trust this will be satisfactory to you.” Later she denied that she’d had any contact with Rose regarding the contract, saying such contact would have been inappropriate.

The company that most fought the peculiar sole-source contract award to Siga was Chimerix, which argued that its drug had far more promise than Siga’s. And, in fact, Chimerix’s Brincidofovir is an antiviral medication being developed for treatment of smallpox but also Ebola and adenovirus. In animal trials, it’s shown some success against adenoviruses, smallpox, and herpes—and preliminary tests show some promise against Ebola. On Oct. 6, the FDA authorized its use for some Ebola patients.

It was given to Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan, who died, and Ashoka Mukpo, who doctors said had improved. Mukpo even tweeted that he was on the road to recovery.

Wally Fairway wrote:Have you ever wondered how Ebola could spread, right here in the good old USofA

Welp, how about if this new 2nd person to contract Ebola from the guy in Dallas actually flew up to Cleveland on Oct 10 and then back on Oct 13 and was admitted to the hospital on Oct 14.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/15/health/texas-ebola-outbreak/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


so to keep the tally going on this:
3 people with Ebola in 'merica; 1 of them has died

Nordic o/u 250
tTy o/u 1,000.5

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

all of my silliness aside, there are two main reasons that the United States has sat back and allowed this problem to manifest and eventually show up on our shores:

1. There is no money to be made in the vaccine... or an experimental vaccine. Plain and simple.

2. West Africa has no resources or anything that would otherwise make us overly concerned with their welfare. If Liberia was sitting on an oil reserve, you can bet we wouldn't have waited until Ebola came to America to suddenly become concerned with it.

Bottom line - money drives everything. If you think otherwise, you're either naive or not being honest with yourself.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

all of my silliness aside, there are two main reasons that the United States has sat back and allowed this problem to manifest and eventually show up on our shores:

1. There is no money to be made in the vaccine... or an experimental vaccine. Plain and simple.

2. West Africa has no resources or anything that would otherwise make us overly concerned with their welfare. If Liberia was sitting on an oil reserve, you can bet we wouldn't have waited until Ebola came to America to suddenly become concerned with it.

Bottom line - money drives everything. If you think otherwise, you're either naive or not being honest with yourself.

Wally Fairway wrote:Have you ever wondered how Ebola could spread, right here in the good old USofA

Welp, how about if this new 2nd person to contract Ebola from the guy in Dallas actually flew up to Cleveland on Oct 10 and then back on Oct 13 and was admitted to the hospital on Oct 14.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/15/health/texas-ebola-outbreak/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


so to keep the tally going on this:
3 people with Ebola in 'merica; 1 of them has died

Nordic o/u 250
tTy o/u 1,000.5

I.B. Fine wrote:

While I agree with your point, you don't go nearly far enough. In theory, we elect leaders to make tough decisions regardless of money or political consequences. Without playing the partisan game, I think it is clear to see that the government decision process has become totally tied to political considerations ahead of what is "the right thing to do" for the country, by both parties.
We need to do a lot more than merely ask people how the feel and take their temperature as they come here from West Africa, restricting immigration would seem to be a prudent action, if not for the worries of some on how it may affect the ongoing illegal immigrant debate. Also, as Goose points out, this is not the time (is it ever?) to hide political appointees who are incapable of doing critical jobs. We all remember Bush and 'Brownie' at FEMA, this situation could prove much more dire.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:that's an interesting theory.. someone should found a country based on that.

xsanguine wrote:

I think someone already tried that. Didn't work out too well...

Nordic wrote:What a colossal fuck up by this broad and the hospital staff (if they did not order everyone how was involved with the first patient to stay put).  Actions of this selfish bitch are the type of shit that could make tTy's prediction come true.  WTF was so goddamn important that she needed to gallivant across the country while potentially caring Ebola? I seriously want her to answer this question. I forgot to calculate stupidity and arrogance into my equation.

Wally Fairway wrote:
Never underestimate nor bet against stupidity

I.B. Fine wrote:

I guess we'll see how communicable Ebola is over the next couple of weeks. If anyone on that airplane comes down with it, I may start on my own bunker.
Anyone ever read Stephen King's "The Stand"? book started out with manipulated disease breaking containment in a govt facility and one guy gets out before they shut the facility down. He makes a run for it with his family and within a few pages it was a worldwide epidemic. I've been thinking about that too much lately.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:FYI - all of you allowing the media to make you panic over Ebola... between 3,000 - 30,000 Americans will die of influenza this flu season..

okay - back to panicking.

InTenSity wrote:
What's the age group that mostly dies from Influenza? Under 2 and over 75? I haven't taken a flu shot, that I know of, ever, should I be   ?

InTenSity wrote:
What's the age group that mostly dies from Influenza? Under 2 and over 75? I haven't taken a flu shot, that I know of, ever, should I be   ?

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

not real sure which demographic is most vulnerable. I've never had a flu shot. Probably wouldn't be a bad idea, I just never get around to it.

good article here from the NYT - Scarier Than Ebola

also funny how the people freaking out over dying from Ebola aren't afraid to eat piles of potato chips and maintain sedentary lifestyles.. risk factors much more likely to kill you than Ebola.

of course, that would require them not to be beholden to the media..

InTenSity wrote:
Ummm, Ebola will kill you in about a month. Delicious potato chips will take years, if not decades to kill me. I saw a headline on the paper today, Ebola is now killing 70% of the infected in Africa. Its also a relatively alien virus on American soil. Would it be ironic if it was brought over and spread through a blanket?

AvgMSUJoe wrote:On Michigan roads 694 people have died this year so far... says on my way into Lansing every morning... That will top a grand when winter kicks in.

No CNN/Faux news specials on that.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
you're not being a good sheep..

Robert J Sakimano wrote:you're not being a good sheep..

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
also funny how the people freaking out over dying from Ebola aren't afraid to eat piles of potato chips and maintain sedentary lifestyles.. risk factors much more likely to kill you than Ebola.

of course, that would require them not to be beholden to the media..

Nordic wrote:What a colossal fuck up by this broad and the hospital staff (if they did not order everyone how was involved with the first patient to stay put).  Actions of this selfish bitch are the type of shit that could make tTy's prediction come true.  WTF was so goddamn important that she needed to gallivant across the country while potentially caring Ebola? I seriously want her to answer this question. I forgot to calculate stupidity and arrogance into my equation.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
I think I'll just sit around tonight on the couch watching CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, etc... maybe grab some food from McDonalds.. while panicking over Ebola.

Wally Fairway wrote:

now you can just go and shut your whore mouth


and also it should be noted that a couple of people in the Lansing area were killed riding their bikes in the last month or two
(Bob that may or may not be a warning . . . . are you listening Bob?)

goodbar wrote:

you dumb sumbitch.....you gonna get the ebolabeetus!

tTy wrote:OK, serious question(s) here...

If this dude in Dallas left the hospital, sick as fuck, and came back two days later and only THEN infected a nurse who was allegedly dressed head to toe in full hazmat gear, how many people on the outside are going to come down with this shit in the next couple days? Is it even possible that he did NOT infect someone else if he was sicker as shit as advertised when he left he hospital for 48 hours, given that we are told that victims are contagious when showing symptoms of ebola?

He went to the hospital first on 9/25. The incubation of this particular strain is something like 21 days, give or take.....By Thursday this week (10/16/14), I would expect that at least another case or three will pop up, again, give or take a couple days depending upon the actual incubation period....

Wally Fairway wrote:
Oh Hey....guess what, stupid bitch had Ebola symptoms BEFORE she got on the flight back to Dallas.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ebola-nurse-had-fever-before-boarding-flight-2014-10-15