Re: Chris Webber on Dan Patrick hints that if he could do it all over again he'd have gone green.

by **NigelUno** Thu May 14, 2015 12:07 pm

InTenSity wrote:Who are we 'rooting' for here? Webber to air all the dirty laundry?

A public fight between Jalen and CWebb. Not a twitter fight. A real fight.

by **MiamiSpartan** Thu May 14, 2015 12:25 pm

NigelUno wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

My take, Rose is right that Webber should just come clean. I agree 100% that Webber should own up to it and apologize. Other than that I side with Webber, he's kept quiet and just seems content with where he is in his life. He's not stuck in the past where as Rose seems stuck in the tiny bubble that was the Fraud 5.

Rose's friendship with Bill Simmons has made him the face of that team. Also, Rose's 'uncle tom' comments were just flat out embarrassing and he got owned by Grant Hill. Perhaps Webber has grown up and just wants to put all of that silly shit behind him?

Yeah, except Webber just put Rose on blast.

Rose admits he was a jackass in college. Webber doesn't want to come clean on anything, because he was a big fat liar.

We'll see if "his" story ever comes out.

Doesn't Rose still try to downplay his involvement though, saying that he only got "pocket money"? Or has he admitted to more?

Webber doesn't just admit to being a liar if he comes clean. He admits to a felony (perjury). I think it's long past the statute of limitations, but I still would be surprised if he ever comes out and admits that he got away with felony. That probably wouldn't be good for the broadcast career he's trying to have.

by **MiamiSpartan** Thu May 14, 2015 12:27 pm

HT wrote:
StylesGShmooth wrote:Wasn't he leaning towards coming to MSU anyway, but then Underwood went and reported a recruiting violation on his trip to Minnesota (free sweatshirt or something) after Heathcote explcitly told him not to, which kind of upset Webber a bit.

Jud's autobiography talks about the Weber recruitment. I actually thought he was basically a silent commit to MSU until the trip to Minnesota. Then he held off on it as Ed Martin got involved and he suddenly wanted to play with Jalen Rose.

That section of his book actually might be on Google Books to read, actually.

Webber was getting paid by Martin long before that, however. The $280K that Webber received was said to have been from 1988 to 1993, IIRC.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Thu May 14, 2015 12:36 pm

Robert J Sakimano wrote:bump..

Chris Webber on Dan Patrick hints that if he could do it all over again he'd have gone green. - Page 2 JOdS9

by **Robert J Sakimano** Thu May 14, 2015 12:37 pm

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:bump..

Chris Webber on Dan Patrick hints that if he could do it all over again he'd have gone green. - Page 2 502811600

by tMolson Thu May 14, 2015 12:45 pm

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:I can't even pay enough attention to keep up with who I'm supposed to hate!

For those of us that were around during that time, trust me, just hate any member of that group.

by **NigelUno** Thu May 14, 2015 12:48 pm

MiamiSpartan wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

Yeah, except Webber just put Rose on blast.

Rose admits he was a jackass in college. Webber doesn't want to come clean on anything, because he was a big fat liar.

We'll see if "his" story ever comes out.

Doesn't Rose still try to downplay his involvement though, saying that he only got "pocket money"? Or has he admitted to more?

Webber doesn't just admit to being a liar if he comes clean. He admits to a felony (perjury). I think it's long past the statute of limitations, but I still would be surprised if he ever comes out and admits that he got away with felony. That probably wouldn't be good for the broadcast career he's trying to have.

He did admit to getting pocket money. Did he get more than that?

I think that's part of the rub with the other Fab 5 guys...Webber got a shit load of money and still played the 'I don't have money for pizza' angle with Mitch. When the other guys found out he got tons of money, they were probably like...what?...you son of a bitch.

by HT Thu May 14, 2015 4:31 pm

MiamiSpartan wrote:
HT wrote:

Jud's autobiography talks about the Weber recruitment. I actually thought he was basically a silent commit to MSU until the trip to Minnesota. Then he held off on it as Ed Martin got involved and he suddenly wanted to play with Jalen Rose.

That section of his book actually might be on Google Books to read, actually.
Webber was getting paid by Martin long before that, however. The $280K that Webber received was said to have been from 1988 to 1993, IIRC.

Then how exactly was he leaning towards MSU so much? I thought Martin steered kids out-of-state if they weren't going to UM and that Jud/Izzo didn't like dealing with that kind of dirty stuff.

by **steveschneider** Thu May 14, 2015 4:36 pm

MiamiSpartan wrote:
HT wrote:

Jud's autobiography talks about the Weber recruitment. I actually thought he was basically a silent commit to MSU until the trip to Minnesota. Then he held off on it as Ed Martin got involved and he suddenly wanted to play with Jalen Rose.

That section of his book actually might be on Google Books to read, actually.
Webber was getting paid by Martin long before that, however. The $280K that Webber received was said to have been from 1988 to 1993, IIRC.

Didn't get my question answered earlier, what is in it for a guy like Martin to pay a player like that? What does he stand to gain?

by **NigelUno** Thu May 14, 2015 4:41 pm

steveschneider wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:
Webber was getting paid by Martin long before that, however. The $280K that Webber received was said to have been from 1988 to 1993, IIRC.

Didn't get my question answered earlier, what is in it for a guy like Martin to pay a player like that? What does he stand to gain?

Tickets. Hotel Rooms at Final Fours. Control of players for point shaving.

by **steveschneider** Thu May 14, 2015 4:52 pm

NigelUno wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

Didn't get my question answered earlier, what is in it for a guy like Martin to pay a player like that? What does he stand to gain?

Tickets. Hotel Rooms at Final Fours. Control of players for point shaving.

280k is a lot of money for tickets and hotel rooms for 2 Final fours.

Has point shaving ever been proven or is there good reason to be suspicious?

by **NigelUno** Thu May 14, 2015 4:54 pm

steveschneider wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

Tickets. Hotel Rooms at Final Fours. Control of players for point shaving.

280k is a lot of money for tickets and hotel rooms for 2 Final fours.

Has point shaving ever been proven or is there good reason to be suspicious?

Let me call a time out and think about it.

by **tGreenWay** Thu May 14, 2015 4:56 pm

steveschneider wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:
Webber was getting paid by Martin long before that, however. The $280K that Webber received was said to have been from 1988 to 1993, IIRC.

Didn't get my question answered earlier, what is in it for a guy like Martin to pay a player like that? What does he stand to gain?

All the things mentioned above, plus access to insider info. Remember--Martin was also a big-time bookie. I also think he was counting on a pro-contract payday from his "investments" after they signed w/NBA teams. I seem to remember him saying something like those guys owed him, and it was a reference to cash, not just a general statement.

by **tGreenWay** Thu May 14, 2015 4:57 pm

NigelUno wrote:
InTenSity wrote:Who are we 'rooting' for here? Webber to air all the dirty laundry?

A public fight between Jalen and CWebb. Not a twitter fight. A real fight.

To the deaths.

by **steveschneider** Thu May 14, 2015 5:12 pm

tGreenWay wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

Didn't get my question answered earlier, what is in it for a guy like Martin to pay a player like that? What does he stand to gain?

All the things mentioned above, plus access to insider info. Remember--Martin was also a big-time bookie. I also think he was counting on a pro-contract payday from his "investments" after they signed w/NBA teams. I seem to remember him saying something like those guys owed him, and it was a reference to cash, not just a general statement.

Ahh that makes sense, so it was basically a high interest loan.

What the hell is in it for these bag men. I read that article that came out, they drop off cash to players even if they won't go to the school. I don't get why someone is giving up their own cash to these recruits. Are they writing it off?

by HT Thu May 14, 2015 5:25 pm

tGreenWay wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

Didn't get my question answered earlier, what is in it for a guy like Martin to pay a player like that? What does he stand to gain?

All the things mentioned above, plus access to insider info. Remember--Martin was also a big-time bookie. I also think he was counting on a pro-contract payday from his "investments" after they signed w/NBA teams. I seem to remember him saying something like those guys owed him, and it was a reference to cash, not just a general statement.

A large part of me thinks that timeout he called at the end of the final vs. UNC was so Martin could make money on the outcome to that game.

by **SpartanInNH** Thu May 14, 2015 6:36 pm

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:I can't even pay enough attention to keep up with who I'm supposed to hate!

Anybody who ever played for scUM. All of them.

by **SpartanInNH** Thu May 14, 2015 6:39 pm

HT wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

All the things mentioned above, plus access to insider info. Remember--Martin was also a big-time bookie. I also think he was counting on a pro-contract payday from his "investments" after they signed w/NBA teams. I seem to remember him saying something like those guys owed him, and it was a reference to cash, not just a general statement.

A large part of me thinks that timeout he called at the end of the final vs. UNC was so Martin could make money on the outcome to that game.

That sounds like it asks for a lot of analytical thought from a kid who is under pressure in the waning seconds of a championship game.

In short, I find that suggestion dubious.

by **Blanch32** Thu May 14, 2015 10:41 pm

SpartanInNH wrote:
HT wrote:

A large part of me thinks that timeout he called at the end of the final vs. UNC was so Martin could make money on the outcome to that game.

That sounds like it asks for a lot of analytical thought from a kid who is under pressure in the waning seconds of a championship game.

In short, I find that suggestion dubious.

Fwiw I think he choked it for the cheddar.

by **StylesGShmooth** Fri May 15, 2015 3:17 am

I thought that Ed Martin was just a godfather figure in Detroit that was just giving big time hoopers money at first (mostly for money laundering purposes)? Then later became a U-M (& Mizzou) shill with that 2nd group of Taylor, Basteon, Traylor and their squad. Is that wrong?

by **steveschneider** Fri May 15, 2015 1:04 pm

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2015/05/14/michigan-fab-five-chris-webber/27297393/

King calls chris a habitual liar. They were known for their trash talk, and now they've turned on eachother.

by **Blanch32** Fri May 15, 2015 2:33 pm

steveschneider wrote:http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2015/05/14/michigan-fab-five-chris-webber/27297393/

King calls chris a habitual liar. They were known for their trash talk, and now they've turned on eachother.

Resperts 35 points in Aa against these clowns still to this day is the best performance by a spartan I've ever seen. Sorry skiles etc. One man wrecking crew

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