Hillary can now shorten her playbook for winning the election

by **Vlad** 2016-06-01, 13:00

Based on how quickly Trump is unraveling, we can forget about his becoming "more Presidential". All Hillary has to do now is:

1. Do and say as little as possible.
2. Give Trump lots of room to implode.
3. Start packing for the WH.

Yep, prevent defense will safely win this one.

BTW, I stand behind my original conspiracy theory that this may well have been planned between Trump and the Clintons. That phone call between Trum and Bill two days before he announced...hmm....

by **Turtleneck** 2016-06-01, 13:11

I don't know, Vlad. Clinton is really disliked and a lot of people just do not care about Trump's temperament or being more presidential. It is early and her lead will grow after the Democratic primary race is sorted out. However, it will be closer than people think. I am not sure she can play prevent defense. She should win, but it would not surprise me if it is close.

If Trump can flip states his way based on his shitty jobs pitch, he will keep it close. He stole Indiana - a notoriously socially conservative state - from Cruz based on jobs and the economy. I wonder if he can steal some states in the general election, too?

This was not a conspiracy. It has been posted here 1000 times that Trump got the idea a while back when he was approached about running for governor by the NYC GOP. If it was a conspiracy, they would draw up another line of attacks on Hillary.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-06-01, 13:27

I tend to agree with Turtleneck..

Hillary, obviously, is infinitely more qualified to be president. However, the people who support Trump are largely bigots, racists, misogynists, uneducated, etc - they don't care what he does or says.. they don't even care that he wants nothing to do with them. They only know that his hate-speech is consistent with theirs.. and that's all that matters to them. He plays to their fears, hate and paranoia.

I could be wrong, of course - but you have to remember, we live in America.. not exactly a bastion of intellect and nuanced thought.

by **Rocinante** 2016-06-01, 13:32

I think she wins easily. But that does not mean those of you living in Michigan and other places that aren't Wyoming shouldn't bother voting.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-06-01, 13:34

Rocinante wrote:I think she wins easily. But that does not mean those of you living in Michigan and other places that aren't Wyoming shouldn't bother voting.

we'll see.. she'll have to somehow fend off a mainstream media that is very much in Trump's back pocket and very much out to get her.

I do think it'll do her well to stay above the dirt and mud that Trump will undoubtedly try to drag her into.

by **Turtleneck** 2016-06-01, 13:55

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I tend to agree with Turtleneck..

Hillary, obviously, is infinitely more qualified to be president. However, the people who support Trump are largely bigots, racists, misogynists, uneducated, etc - they don't care what he does or says.. they don't even care that he wants nothing to do with them. They only know that his hate-speech is consistent with theirs.. and that's all that matters to them. He plays to their fears, hate and paranoia.

I could be wrong, of course - but you have to remember, we live in America.. not exactly a bastion of intellect and nuanced thought.

Here is something that is very telling...

For 7.5 years all we have heard from Rs and conservative activists is that the Obama Administration represents the worst of big government and is a threat to our Constitution. Now many of those same Rs and conservative activists are actively backing a candidate with no regard for checks on government power. They dislike Clinton so much that they will support a candidate who stands for everything they have been complaining about since 2008.

I have never seen a candidate get this far that is so averse to freedom of speech or assembly, which are at the foundation of any functional democracy. And the way he has been tearing into a federal judge shows he has no respect for the independence of the judiciary. This is somebody Rs and conservatives want in possession of executive power? It really comes down to how much they dislike Clinton. It is really hate. Dislike is an understatement.

Then you have working class Bernie supporters who might flip to Trump because of his penchant for protectionism. It's a mess and he might keep it close. The Trump University case could be a game changer. It might lead to some details he has been trying to hide. What is if he is a fraud and is not worth $10B? His wealth is a huge part of his success in this race. He has used that wealth to cultivate appeal.

by **Turtleneck** 2016-06-01, 13:56

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Rocinante wrote:I think she wins easily. But that does not mean those of you living in Michigan and other places that aren't Wyoming shouldn't bother voting.
we'll see.. she'll have to somehow fend off a mainstream media that is very much in Trump's back pocket and very much out to get her.

I do think it'll do her well to stay above the dirt and mud that Trump will undoubtedly try to drag her into.

I watched what happened yesterday live. It was a clown show. I do not know who needs each other more, Trump or the media? It is symbiotic.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-06-01, 14:01

Turtleneck wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:I tend to agree with Turtleneck..

Hillary, obviously, is infinitely more qualified to be president. However, the people who support Trump are largely bigots, racists, misogynists, uneducated, etc - they don't care what he does or says.. they don't even care that he wants nothing to do with them. They only know that his hate-speech is consistent with theirs.. and that's all that matters to them. He plays to their fears, hate and paranoia.

I could be wrong, of course - but you have to remember, we live in America.. not exactly a bastion of intellect and nuanced thought.

Here is something that is very telling...

For 7.5 years all we have heard from Rs and conservative activists is that the Obama Administration represents the worst of big government and is a threat to our Constitution. Now many of those same Rs and conservative activists are actively backing a candidate with no regard for checks on government power. They dislike Clinton so much that they will support a candidate who stands for everything they have been complaining about since 2008.

I have never seen a candidate get this far that is so averse to freedom of speech or assembly, which are at the foundation of any functional democracy. And the way he has been tearing into a federal judge shows he has no respect for the independence of the judiciary. This is somebody Rs and conservatives want in possession of executive power? It really comes down to how much they dislike Clinton. It is really hate. Dislike is an understatement.

Then you have working class Bernie supporters who might flip to Trump because of his penchant for protectionism. It's a mess and he might keep it close. The Trump University case could be a game changer. It might lead to some details he has been trying to hide. What is if he is a fraud and is not worth $10B? His wealth is a huge part of his success in this race. He has used that wealth to cultivate appeal.

and you illustrated it perfectly..

they never have been concerned with Obama and all of the big scary things they've tried to level against him.. it's all about their fear, paranoia and racist-tendencies. What else could it be? Same with Hillary - she's probably farther to the right than Obama is (and he's a center/right president) - they're now interchanging their racism for their misogyny.

Of course, they won't admit it.. but that doesn't make it untrue. Why else would these {ahem} fine, upstanding religious conservatives who {ahem} just want limited government support a morally and ethically vacant advocate of the biggest government imaginable?

by **DWags** 2016-06-01, 14:11

People are dumb enough to pick the dumbest one. Aren't we all really pulling for that?

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-06-01, 14:28

DWags wrote:People are dumb enough to pick the dumbest one. Aren't we all really pulling for that?

I annoyed this right wing religious nut friend of mine last week when I pointed out that he was very concerned about Obama's moral/ethical character in 2008/2012 but now supports Trump.

I told him it was interesting how he managed to push aside his more traditional, conservative religious principles that were so prevalent in elections past.. Hillary can now shorten her playbook for winning the election 502811600

Hillary can now shorten her playbook for winning the election 502811600

by **Vlad** 2016-06-01, 15:37

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I tend to agree with Turtleneck..

Hillary, obviously, is infinitely more qualified to be president. However, the people who support Trump are largely bigots, racists, misogynists, uneducated, etc - they don't care what he does or says.. they don't even care that he wants nothing to do with them. They only know that his hate-speech is consistent with theirs.. and that's all that matters to them. He plays to their fears, hate and paranoia.

I could be wrong, of course - but you have to remember, we live in America.. not exactly a bastion of intellect and nuanced thought.

Fortunately the bigots, racists and misogynists only account for about 30-35% of voters in general elections. As with most elections, this one will be decided by moderates in the handful of swing states. Moderates tend to be fairly well-informed.

But more than anything, I think Trump is likely to step on his own dick, judging from that meltdown yesterday.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-06-01, 15:45

Vlad wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:I tend to agree with Turtleneck..

Hillary, obviously, is infinitely more qualified to be president. However, the people who support Trump are largely bigots, racists, misogynists, uneducated, etc - they don't care what he does or says.. they don't even care that he wants nothing to do with them. They only know that his hate-speech is consistent with theirs.. and that's all that matters to them. He plays to their fears, hate and paranoia.

I could be wrong, of course - but you have to remember, we live in America.. not exactly a bastion of intellect and nuanced thought.

Fortunately the bigots, racists and misogynists only account for about 30-35% of voters in general elections. As with most elections, this one will be decided by moderates in the handful of swing states. Moderates tend to be fairly well-informed.

But more than anything, I think Trump is likely to step on his own dick, judging from that meltdown yesterday.

I don't disagree - and I realize that the mainstream media is giving him a free pass - and will probably continue to do so.

I just don't have a lot of faith in the American public. This is the same American public that watches stuff like American Idol and the Kardashian stuff.. hopefully they'll surprise me.

by **Turtleneck** 2016-06-01, 15:47

Vlad wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:I tend to agree with Turtleneck..

Hillary, obviously, is infinitely more qualified to be president. However, the people who support Trump are largely bigots, racists, misogynists, uneducated, etc - they don't care what he does or says.. they don't even care that he wants nothing to do with them. They only know that his hate-speech is consistent with theirs.. and that's all that matters to them. He plays to their fears, hate and paranoia.

I could be wrong, of course - but you have to remember, we live in America.. not exactly a bastion of intellect and nuanced thought.

Fortunately the bigots, racists and misogynists only account for about 30-35% of voters in general elections. As with most elections, this one will be decided by moderates in the handful of swing states. Moderates tend to be fairly well-informed.

But more than anything, I think Trump is likely to step on his own dick, judging from that meltdown yesterday.

You're right, his core voters are not enough to carry him to victory...but man do they love what they saw yesterday.

However, he was attacking the media yesterday. He threw a temper tantrum and ranted about a group of people Americans, especially conservative Americans, are already skeptical about. He probably expanded his support yesterday.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/185927/americans-trust-media-remains-historical-low.aspx

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-06-01, 16:00

Turtleneck wrote:
Vlad wrote:

Fortunately the bigots, racists and misogynists only account for about 30-35% of voters in general elections. As with most elections, this one will be decided by moderates in the handful of swing states. Moderates tend to be fairly well-informed.

But more than anything, I think Trump is likely to step on his own dick, judging from that meltdown yesterday.

You're right, his core voters are not enough to carry him to victory...but man do they love what they saw yesterday.

However, he was attacking the media yesterday. He threw a temper tantrum and ranted about a group of people Americans, especially conservative Americans, are already skeptical about. He probably expanded his support yesterday.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/185927/americans-trust-media-remains-historical-low.aspx

you mean republicans support someone who is unwilling to take responsibility for his own actions and, instead, attempts to blame others for his own shortcomings?

I just can't imagine such a thing.. Hillary can now shorten her playbook for winning the election 502811600

by **Turtleneck** 2016-06-01, 16:05

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:

You're right, his core voters are not enough to carry him to victory...but man do they love what they saw yesterday.

However, he was attacking the media yesterday. He threw a temper tantrum and ranted about a group of people Americans, especially conservative Americans, are already skeptical about. He probably expanded his support yesterday.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/185927/americans-trust-media-remains-historical-low.aspx

you mean republicans support someone who is unwilling to take responsibility for his own actions and, instead, attempts to blame others for his own shortcomings?

I just can't imagine such a thing..

We harass Millennials for being entitled, needing everything their way, and thinking they are above criticism. Yet the biggest expression of these Millennial attributes come from 69 year old Donald Trump. So I guess Trump is an OM, original Millennial. Donald J. Trump, OM.

by **Vlad** 2016-06-01, 16:10

I really thought he had a chance, if he just moderated his inner crazy a little bit. Not likely to happen.

by **Rocinante** 2016-06-02, 15:44

Best Gawker comment ever.

Hi,

I am America’s huge rage boner. I do not care about silly things like ‘facts.’ I watch reality TV in my sleep and am intravenously fed an entire keg of Steel Reserve every 24 hours. I am throbbing to ejected the juices of freedom and NASCAR all over Washington D.C. I am angry and my balls hurt because no one has milked America’s prostate for some time now.

I view Hillary Clinton as a Washington insider. And even though I don’t think Donald J. **** is the BEST option we have, he is the only one who stands in between a liberal woman <clutches pearls> who has ties to Wall Street and the Presidency of The United States of America. Which from what I understand is a position that holds the power to make new laws, take muh guns away and shove aborted fetuses down my children’s throats as some kind of “healthy alternative” to traditional school lunches. Please don’t underestimate my anger. Or I will explode all over the country and then no one will be able to wash me out of their hair. You’ll shower for days, but you won’t be able to get the funk of my virile hatred out of your hair.

A Good Day to You Sirs,

America’s Rage Boner, Esq.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-06-02, 15:46

by **Floyd Robertson** 2016-06-02, 16:22

Hillary can now shorten her playbook for winning the election RMzQUHDyLKKaoMKjH4MsD0C60Rl2BpM67IopxiEpQPk

I'm surprised this hasn't gained some tailwind.

by **Rocinante** 2016-06-02, 16:49

Floyd Robertson wrote:

I'm surprised this hasn't gained some tailwind.

He's not supporting her. He's standing near her. That is not against rules. Also, although his medals look crooked as shit, it's hard to tell from that angle. Maybe he's just not a very talented dresser. The hat.... meh. it happens.

by **Rocinante** 2016-06-02, 16:50

Not saying he's not a poseur, but also... why would anyone care? Or rather, what would it have to do with Hilary?

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2016-06-02, 17:06

Rocinante wrote:Not saying he's not a poseur, but also... why would anyone care? Or rather, what would it have to do with Hilary?

Is this your first political experience?

by **Floyd Robertson** 2016-06-02, 17:23

Rocinante wrote:Not saying he's not a poseur, but also... why would anyone care? Or rather, what would it have to do with Hilary?

the rumor floating around is the Clinton campaign hired him (an actor) to be there. Now, I doubt they're that dumb, but it wouldn't surprise me either.

by Guest 2016-06-02, 19:34

Rocinante wrote:Not saying he's not a poseur, but also... why would anyone care? Or rather, what would it have to do with Hilary?

No self respecting military man wants to be on stage with that harpy. And same thing for Trump I think.

by **steveschneider** 2016-06-03, 09:50

Polls today showing trump vs Hillary is tighter than ever. What an awful candidate the dems have. Hoping she gets charged and Biden steps in.

by **DWags** 2016-06-03, 09:55

steveschneider wrote:Polls today showing trump vs Hillary is tighter than ever. What an awful candidate the dems have. Hoping she gets charged and Biden steps in.

Frankly, I think a good portion of America is hoping for both candidates to somehow get the fuck out of the race and two new candidates somehow take over. This is the worst choice we've ever had and it's going to be the most entertaining.

Whoever wins between those two losers is going to be the most hated president we've ever had. You've read it here first.

by **steveschneider** 2016-06-03, 10:05

DWags wrote:
steveschneider wrote:Polls today showing trump vs Hillary is tighter than ever. What an awful candidate the dems have. Hoping she gets charged and Biden steps in.

Frankly, I think a good portion of America is hoping for both candidates to somehow get the fuck out of the race and two new candidates somehow take over. This is the worst choice we've ever had and it's going to be the most entertaining.

Whoever wins between those two losers is going to be the most hated president we've ever had. You've read it here first.

You are pretty much saying exactly what the article I read this morning said. Pretty much said most Americans are going to vote for one candidate because they can't stand the other candidate.

I'm probably going to need a barf bag when I go in and vote for Hillary. Yes, I hate Hillary but there's a long list of people I'd vote for ahead of Donald Trump.

I'd vote for Coach K over Trump, and that should say something.

by AnomanderRake 2016-06-03, 10:07

I really hope Hillary gets indicted so Bernie can save us all from ourselves. Even if he doesn't accomplish anything, it's better than having Hillary or Trump push their agendas for 4 years.

by **steveschneider** 2016-06-03, 10:16

AnomanderRake wrote:I really hope Hillary gets indicted so Bernie can save us all from ourselves. Even if he doesn't accomplish anything, it's better than having Hillary or Trump push their agendas for 4 years.

Bernie is my man, but I've accepted there's no way he gets it. Real long shot, but Hillary gets charged and a Biden/Warren ticket drops in. I can live with that.

Re: Bernie, I think he goes back to the senate and if we are all smart we carry the momentum into the midterm election and start voting in progressives.

by **Rocinante** 2016-06-03, 10:19

I don't think Hilary is all that bad. She's a politician, with ridiculous ambition that's been animating her corpse for 20 years, but that's not unusual. I see her as a pretty good statesman, and if she's going to keep doing what Obama's been doing, I'll vote the shit out of her. But then again I don't think Obama is all that bad, and he's apparently the devil.

This difference in perception that people can have when it comes to political figures blows my mind. I try, I really try to look at all the facts. And I just don't get why people can be so vehement in their hatred for Obama or Hilary.

I mean, I hated Bush 2, but he started a useless war in Iraq, and got 3+ thousand Americans killed (Not to mention 30,000 Iraqis) and trashed our reputation. I had real concrete reasons. I don't see these reasons with people now, just vitriol.

by **Vlad** 2016-06-03, 19:22

I wonder if, at around 8pm every night, the GOP brass sits back and goes "oh fuck...oh my fuck, fuck, fuck...no, no, he didn't just...what the fuck..."

This is getting funnier by the day.

by **Turtleneck** 2016-06-03, 21:03

You might be on to something, Vlad. Trump has really been melting down over the past few days. Worse than usual.

As I mentioned above, the Trump University case might be a game changer. However, I thought that would be because it revealed he was running a con. It appears he cannot handle that it is not going his way, and he cannot handle getting called out for all the race baiting he does. He stepped up his attacks on the judge today, and is sticking with the "he is Mexican, I am building a wall, he can't give me a fair decision" line. Then at a rally today he referred to a black supporter as "my African American" and commented on how nice it was that the supporter was "sitting there behaving." What a joke. Paul Ryan might want to walk back that endorsement.

by Guest 2016-06-03, 22:51

Turtleneck wrote:You might be on to something, Vlad. Trump has really been melting down over the past few days. Worse than usual.

As I mentioned above, the Trump University case might be a game changer. However, I thought that would be because it revealed he was running a con. It appears he cannot handle that it is not going his way, and he cannot handle getting called out for all the race baiting he does. He stepped up his attacks on the judge today, and is sticking with the "he is Mexican, I am building a wall, he can't give me a fair decision" line. Then at a rally today he referred to a black supporter as "my African American" and commented on how nice it was that the supporter was "sitting there behaving." What a joke. Paul Ryan might want to walk back that endorsement.

Based on what? You are the dumbest fucking idiot on the planet. What, did you read some reuters poll today that showed Hillary up 11? Are you that fucking stupid to not look at who they sampled with only 32 percent being Republicans. Trump is up on Hillary and lead is only increasing. Dems and their proxies are trying everything to no avail. Trump wins general in a landslide. Wait until some real polls come out, will shock you to death. I actually know what the fuck I talk about.

by **xsanguine** 2016-06-03, 23:51

This is why I post at tSwill as opposed to 247.

by Guest 2016-06-04, 09:09

Honestly it wouldn't shock me if BOTH parties had different names on the ballot by November.

If Hills is polling terribly, Obama would simply need to let the DoJ indict her and that would most likely finish her off.

Trump is a bit more complicated but the reality is that the primaries really mean nothing. The RNC can substitute someone at any point up into the September time frame. Yes that might be disastrous, but allowing Trump to go through the election could be worse.

by **Floyd Robertson** 2016-06-07, 06:48

Hillary can now shorten her playbook for winning the election CkV4sNoXIAAxm5-

I think this was first broken by AP last night and every other media outlet ran their own numbers and jumped on board.

At least one person disagrees.

Stone Slade @StoneInAustin
@AP @mariecasey1 Our "unbiased" media is the worst. Not even saying "presumptive"
Hillary can now shorten her playbook for winning the election CkT1CjPVAAA6mc2

Hillary can now shorten her playbook for winning the election CkT1CjPVAAA6mc2

by **Floyd Robertson** 2016-06-07, 07:48

This is certainly a shocking development.

Jonathan Karl ‏@jonkarl 4m4 minutes ago
On @GMA, @NancyPelosi tells @GStephanopoulos she is "proud to endorse" @HillaryClinton.

by Guest 2016-06-07, 09:22

No wonder Hills doesn't want to hold a press conference, my god they brutalize her when given the chance:

Allow me to break down each question the reporters asked in their precious eight minutes:

“You’re on the cusp of being the first female nominee of a major party. What does that mean to you and how are you reflecting on that?”

“No matter what happens tomorrow, Bernie Sanders says the convention in Philadelphia will be contested. Do you think there is anything you can do to change that at this point?”

“Is it setting in that you might be making serious history tomorrow?”

“Some prominent Democrats have come out saying ‘we maybe need to reevaluate the super delegate system more broadly. irrespective of what happens in this primary, do you support looking into that and, perhaps, getting rid of that?”

“Do you think Sen. Sanders will concede as you did in 2008?”

“What role would you like the president to play in your campaign?”

“Last night when you took stage in Sacramento, there was a woman standing next to me who was absolutely sobbing. And she said, you know, ‘it’s time, it’s past time.’ And you see the women, you see people here. People just come up to you and, {gasp} they get tears in their eyes. Do you feel… do you feel the weight of what this means to people?”

“Do you expect the president’s endorsement some time this week?”

And that was the end of reporters’ access to Hillary Clinton today. Now they’ll have to wait another month to grill her again.

8 minutes of shame: Reporters covering Hillary embarrass profession with softball questions

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-06-07, 09:24

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by **Rocinante** 2016-06-07, 10:17

LooseGoose wrote:No wonder Hills doesn't want to hold a press conference, my god they brutalize her when given the chance:

Allow me to break down each question the reporters asked in their precious eight minutes:

“You’re on the cusp of being the first female nominee of a major party. What does that mean to you and how are you reflecting on that?”

“No matter what happens tomorrow, Bernie Sanders says the convention in Philadelphia will be contested. Do you think there is anything you can do to change that at this point?”

“Is it setting in that you might be making serious history tomorrow?”

“Some prominent Democrats have come out saying ‘we maybe need to reevaluate the super delegate system more broadly. irrespective of what happens in this primary, do you support looking into that and, perhaps, getting rid of that?”

“Do you think Sen. Sanders will concede as you did in 2008?”

“What role would you like the president to play in your campaign?”

“Last night when you took stage in Sacramento, there was a woman standing next to me who was absolutely sobbing. And she said, you know, ‘it’s time, it’s past time.’ And you see the women, you see people here. People just come up to you and, {gasp} they get tears in their eyes. Do you feel… do you feel the weight of what this means to people?”

“Do you expect the president’s endorsement some time this week?”

And that was the end of reporters’ access to Hillary Clinton today. Now they’ll have to wait another month to grill her again.

8 minutes of shame: Reporters covering Hillary embarrass profession with softball questions

Sorry what should they have asked her about?

Emails?

She sat in front of a witch hunt and came out looking pretty good.

Campaign finance?

Bernie had been grilling her on that for months, she still won.

???

Profit.

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