Re: Election Game 2016 - The political thread that Travis won't move

[I.B. Fine]

I've jerked off 4 times to the memory of the time I moved this thread.

The same guy, or 4 different ones?
Or 2 guys 2 times? or one guy 3 times and then some stranger?

[Travis of the Cosmos]

I've jerked off 4 times to the memory of the time I moved this thread.

The same guy, or 4 different ones?

Just me :)

[DWags]

Lots of drama for a position which has minimal direct impact on anyone's lives.  

it's gonna be fun to watch the racists and bigots when Trump realizes that not only will Mexico not pay for his silly wall to keep brown people out, but it will never be built to begin with.

He also owes it to his electorate to prosecute Hills. Rudy can do that. He's promised many he will. The wall will be built. He's got congress too. I have no doubt it goes up. It's going to be interesting if he's able to and crush isis raise military spending and give me a tax break. If he does I'll be canvassing for him in 2020. What would be disappointing is if he somehow says it was symbolic about the wall and not a real structure. If he gets Mexico to pony up that will be beyond amazing. If it's magnificent it could become a tourist attraction and make money. I'm still not straight as to how he's going to round up the illegals, but that will be interesting too. He's aimed high here and set the bar very high. Getting 20 million insured people off the books will be huge too. This first 100 days will be the most interesting 100 days I can remember.

[Guest]

All those unpopular things and somehow America keep choosing them.

[Floyd Robertson]

The Democratic Party Deserved To Die

Written by a former Democratic congressional candidate.

Voters were offered a choice between a possibility of catastrophe in Trump and a guarantee of mediocrity in Clinton. Clearly, they picked the high-risk bet that they felt at least gave them some chance to escape the certain economic doom that they feel in their current lives.

[DWags]

Biden has to be saying every day that he most likely would be president

[Floyd Robertson]

Liberals struggle to understand Trump victory

Despite these stark differences, there is near-unanimity that a sense of economic dislocation created the conditions that fueled Trump’s rise. On Wednesday, statements from senior figures in the labor movement — people vigorously opposed to the GOP nominee — acknowledged that he had channeled frustrations that were ignored by swaths of the political establishment.

“More than anything, this election is an indictment of politics as usual,” AFL-CIO president Richard Trumka said. “For too long, the political elites have embraced economic policies that hold down wages, increase inequality, diminish opportunity and ship American jobs overseas. Voters in both the primary and general election have delivered a clear message: enough.”

[Floyd Robertson]

it's gonna be fun to watch the racists and bigots when Trump realizes that not only will Mexico not pay for his silly wall to keep brown people out, but it will never be built to begin with.

He also owes it to his electorate to prosecute Hills. Rudy can do that. He's promised many he will. The wall will be built. He's got congress too. I have no doubt it goes up. It's going to be interesting if he's able to and crush isis raise military spending and give me a tax break. If he does I'll be canvassing for him in 2020. What would be disappointing is if he somehow says it was symbolic about the wall and not a real structure. If he gets Mexico to pony up that will be beyond amazing. If it's magnificent it could become a tourist attraction and make money. I'm still not straight as to how he's going to round up the illegals, but that will be interesting too. He's aimed high here and set the bar very high. Getting 20 million insured people off the books will be huge too. This first 100 days will be the most interesting 100 days I can remember.

No doubt it's going to be interesting. I just heard Rudy's comment that dropping the Hillary thing isn't simple, but I think Trump would be wise to come to the conclusion Comey did in July. Politically there's little to gain in continuing the witchhunt.

As for the wall, I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad idea, but making Mexico pay for it is. It's not Mexico's job to secure our border.

[DWags]

He also owes it to his electorate to prosecute Hills. Rudy can do that. He's promised many he will. The wall will be built. He's got congress too. I have no doubt it goes up. It's going to be interesting if he's able to and crush isis raise military spending and give me a tax break. If he does I'll be canvassing for him in 2020. What would be disappointing is if he somehow says it was symbolic about the wall and not a real structure. If he gets Mexico to pony up that will be beyond amazing. If it's magnificent it could become a tourist attraction and make money. I'm still not straight as to how he's going to round up the illegals, but that will be interesting too. He's aimed high here and set the bar very high. Getting 20 million insured people off the books will be huge too. This first 100 days will be the most interesting 100 days I can remember.

No doubt it's going to be interesting. I just heard Rudy's comment that dropping the Hillary thing isn't simple, but I think Trump would be wise to come to the conclusion Comey did in July. Politically there's little to gain in continuing the witchhunt.

As for the wall, I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad idea, but making Mexico pay for it is. It's not Mexico's job to secure our border.

He has to build it doesn't he? He also has to prosecute her. How can he not?

[Floyd Robertson]

No doubt it's going to be interesting. I just heard Rudy's comment that dropping the Hillary thing isn't simple, but I think Trump would be wise to come to the conclusion Comey did in July. Politically there's little to gain in continuing the witchhunt.

As for the wall, I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad idea, but making Mexico pay for it is. It's not Mexico's job to secure our border.

He has to build it doesn't he?  He also has to prosecute her. How can he not?

I think he point to Comey's conclusions that no reasonable prosecutor would file and get away with it.  Then again, he can let the congressional watchdogs Chaffetz and Grassley go after her and distance himself from it.

The wall is a bigger problem for him. Too many campaign promises to ignore. He has to do it, or big stretches of it anyway. Be can recreate the CCC and get it done.

[InTenSity]

I just got a list of advisors. We're fucked. Mike Rogers, the one who wants to push through cyber security to spy on Americans will be national security advisor. Guy who hates the environment will be head of the epa. Fda will go to big agriculture. Socially lass will be passed to take us back to the 30's.

[CORNER BLITZ]

I just got a list of advisors. We're fucked. Mike Rogers, the one who wants to push through cyber security to spy on Americans will be national security advisor. Guy who hates the environment will be head of the epa. Fda will go to big agriculture. Socially lass will be passed to take us back to the 30's.

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/amp/trump-national-security-team-includes-surprising-names-n682196

[Guest]

The Democratic Party Deserved To Die

Written by a former Democratic congressional candidate.

Voters were offered a choice between a possibility of catastrophe in Trump and a guarantee of mediocrity in Clinton. Clearly, they picked the high-risk bet that they felt at least gave them some chance to escape the certain economic doom that they feel in their current lives.

I just came here to post this. She actually understands what went on.

[Guest]

I just got a list of advisors. We're fucked. Mike Rogers, the one who wants to push through cyber security to spy on Americans will be national security advisor. Guy who hates the environment will be head of the epa. Fda will go to big agriculture. Socially lass will be passed to take us back to the 30's.

I'm in the wait and see what actually happens camp. The scaremongers have run rampant for a year now, let's see what he does not what they speculate he does.

[InTenSity]

I just got a list of advisors. We're fucked. Mike Rogers, the one who wants to push through cyber security to spy on Americans will be national security advisor. Guy who hates the environment will be head of the epa. Fda will go to big agriculture. Socially lass will be passed to take us back to the 30's.

I'm in the wait and see what actually happens camp. The scaremongers have run rampant for a year now, let's see what he does not what they speculate he does.

Want me to post the list?

[Guest]

I'm in the wait and see what actually happens camp. The scaremongers have run rampant for a year now, let's see what he does not what they speculate he does.

Want me to post the list?

I've seen some of the lists speculating. My point is that most early projections of a new President's cabinet are way off.

[aualum06]

Im sure it's been mentioned but he got 42% of the women vote. Amazing.

[Death Roe]

Im sure it's been mentioned but he got 42% of the women vote. Amazing.

Whoa, don't let facts get in the way.

[CheesySpartan]

No doubt it's going to be interesting. I just heard Rudy's comment that dropping the Hillary thing isn't simple, but I think Trump would be wise to come to the conclusion Comey did in July. Politically there's little to gain in continuing the witchhunt.

As for the wall, I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad idea, but making Mexico pay for it is. It's not Mexico's job to secure our border.

He has to build it doesn't he? He also has to prosecute her. How can he not?

LOL...do you mean a politician might go back on his/her word???

As for a recent example..."If you like Dr..."

[NigelUno]

No doubt it's going to be interesting. I just heard Rudy's comment that dropping the Hillary thing isn't simple, but I think Trump would be wise to come to the conclusion Comey did in July. Politically there's little to gain in continuing the witchhunt.

As for the wall, I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad idea, but making Mexico pay for it is. It's not Mexico's job to secure our border.

He has to build it doesn't he? He also has to prosecute her. How can he not?

I don't think he can use executive power to build a wall. I think he can appoint a special prosecutor to charge her.

[DWags]

it's just occurred to me, is this what we're securing our borders from?

[Robert J Sakimano]

it's gonna be fun to watch the racists and bigots when Trump realizes that not only will Mexico not pay for his silly wall to keep brown people out, but it will never be built to begin with.

He also owes it to his electorate to prosecute Hills. Rudy can do that. He's promised many he will. The wall will be built. He's got congress too. I have no doubt it goes up. It's going to be interesting if he's able to and crush isis raise military spending and give me a tax break. If he does I'll be canvassing for him in 2020. What would be disappointing is if he somehow says it was symbolic about the wall and not a real structure. If he gets Mexico to pony up that will be beyond amazing. If it's magnificent it could become a tourist attraction and make money. I'm still not straight as to how he's going to round up the illegals, but that will be interesting too. He's aimed high here and set the bar very high. Getting 20 million insured people off the books will be huge too. This first 100 days will be the most interesting 100 days I can remember.

I hope Crooked Hillary spends a long time in prison for her role in killing 4 brave Americans in Benghazi.

[Robert J Sakimano]

Im sure it's been mentioned but he got 42% of the women vote. Amazing.

that's what happens when the mainstream media normalizes a rape culture.

[Guest]

Amazing how correct Michael Moore was back in July.

5 Reasons Trump Will Win

I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I gave it to you straight last summer when I told you that Donald Trump would be the Republican nominee for president. And now I have even more awful, depressing news for you: Donald J. Trump is going to win in November. This wretched, ignorant, dangerous part-time clown and full time sociopath is going to be our next president. President Trump. Go ahead and say the words, ‘cause you’ll be saying them for the next four years: “PRESIDENT TRUMP.”

Midwest Math, or Welcome to Our Rust Belt Brexit. I believe Trump is going to focus much of his attention on the four blue states in the rustbelt of the upper Great Lakes – Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Four traditionally Democratic states – but each of them have elected a Republican governor since 2010 (only Pennsylvania has now finally elected a Democrat). In the Michigan primary in March, more Michiganders came out to vote for the Republicans (1.32 million) that the Democrats (1.19 million). Trump is ahead of Hillary in the latest polls in Pennsylvania and tied with her in Ohio. Tied? How can the race be this close after everything Trump has said and done? Well maybe it’s because he’s said (correctly) that the Clintons’ support of NAFTA helped to destroy the industrial states of the Upper Midwest. Trump is going to hammer Clinton on this and her support of TPP and other trade policies that have royally screwed the people of these four states. When Trump stood in the shadow of a Ford Motor factory during the Michigan primary, he threatened the corporation that if they did indeed go ahead with their planned closure of that factory and move it to Mexico, he would slap a 35% tariff on any Mexican-built cars shipped back to the United States. It was sweet, sweet music to the ears of the working class of Michigan, and when he tossed in his threat to Apple that he would force them to stop making their iPhones in China and build them here in America, well, hearts swooned and Trump walked away with a big victory that should have gone to the governor next-door, John Kasich.

[Robert J Sakimano]

it's gonna be fun to watch the racists and bigots when Trump realizes that not only will Mexico not pay for his silly wall to keep brown people out, but it will never be built to begin with.

He also owes it to his electorate to prosecute Hills. Rudy can do that. He's promised many he will. The wall will be built. He's got congress too. I have no doubt it goes up. It's going to be interesting if he's able to and crush isis raise military spending and give me a tax break. If he does I'll be canvassing for him in 2020. What would be disappointing is if he somehow says it was symbolic about the wall and not a real structure. If he gets Mexico to pony up that will be beyond amazing. If it's magnificent it could become a tourist attraction and make money. I'm still not straight as to how he's going to round up the illegals, but that will be interesting too. He's aimed high here and set the bar very high. Getting 20 million insured people off the books will be huge too. This first 100 days will be the most interesting 100 days I can remember.

it's gonna be funny when Trump - someone who has never paid taxes - uses taxpayer dollars to build his cute little wall that will do nothing to solve the imaginary immigration problem.

[CORNER BLITZ]

Im sure it's been mentioned but he got 42% of the women vote. Amazing.

that's what happens when the mainstream media normalizes a rape culture.

This.

Disgusting that 58% of women would vote for someone that demeans, threatens, and tries to silence women to come out against sexual assault

[I.B. Fine]

Here's another POS that I would not mind having a special prosecutor look into.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/11/tears-and-fear-harry-reid-is-not-taking-trumps-election-well.html

[Death Roe]

that's what happens when the mainstream media normalizes a rape culture.

This.

Disgusting that 58% of women would vote for someone that demeans, threatens, and tries to silence women to come out against sexual assault

I... I love you?

[Robert J Sakimano]

that's what happens when the mainstream media normalizes a rape culture.

This.

Disgusting that 58% of women would vote for someone that demeans, threatens, and tries to silence women to come out against sexual assault

yep.

it's what happens when the mainstream media puts ratings/profits above human decency and.. ya know.. their actual purpose in America.

[Robert J Sakimano]

Here's another POS that I would not mind having a special prosecutor look into.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/11/tears-and-fear-harry-reid-is-not-taking-trumps-election-well.html

does he have a private email account, too?

if so.. that's gotta stop.

[Guest]

Hope Bob is enjoying defending Dingy Harry and Crooked Hillary. The good part is that he only has to for another month or so.

[Robert J Sakimano]

Hope Bob is enjoying defending Dingy Harry and Crooked Hillary. The good part is that he only has to for another month or so.

I'm not as much defending Dingy Harry and Crooked Hillary as much as I am celebrating that AmeriKKKa elected a racist, bigoted, xenophobic sexual predator.

#MakeAmericaWhiteAgain

[Guest]

Here's another POS that I would not mind having a special prosecutor look into.

does he have a private email account, too?

if so.. that's gotta stop.

One thing he does have in common with Hills is that he got started in politics poor as hell and now is a multi millionaire. Strange how that happens for all those snow white "for the people" Dems that Bob loves. Dingy Harry actually lives at the Ritz in DC while working for the common man.

[Robert J Sakimano]

does he have a private email account, too?

if so.. that's gotta stop.

One thing he does have in common with Hills is that he got started in politics poor as hell and now is a multi millionaire. Strange how that happens for all those snow white "for the people" Dems that Bob loves. Dingy Harry actually lives at the Ritz in DC while working for the common man.

so he does have a private email account??

I knew it.

[xsanguine]

[Watch Out Pylon!]

So when will America be great again?

[Robert J Sakimano]

$10 says a Democrat did this.

[Robert J Sakimano]

So when will America be great again?

as soon as we can get rid of the colored people.

[xsanguine]

So when will America be great again?

It started yesterday.
https://spartanswill.forumotion.com/t13793-cnn-or-msnbc-won-t-be-showing-this-video-any-time-soon#364260

[Watch Out Pylon!]

Shit Trump has to do. Good luck bro.

1. Cancel Obama executive actions on immigration and guns.
Presidents are free to revoke or modify their own orders or those issued by a predecessor. Trump could revoke President Barack Obama’s executive actions as soon as he takes office. Trump has promised to rescind Obama’s immigration and gun executive orders, terminating the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals Act (or DACA) "immediately."  
Undoing DACA, which deferred deportation and allowed immigrants to apply for work permission, would make undocumented people who arrived in the United States as children subject to deportation. (He’s said that the "terrific" ones would have an opportunity to return legally.) Some 740,000 people have been approved for DACA, and research suggests up to 1.7 million people are potentially eligible.
Trump also promised to eliminate Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents or DAPA, an expanded version of DACA proposed by Obama in 2014. That program, which applies to some 5 million people, is on hold due to a Supreme Court deadlock.
Trump called Obama’s executive order to require background checks on firearms sold at gun shows an assault on the Second Amendment, and vowed he would "unsign that so fast." He’s also promised to ban gun-free zones in schools and on military bases on day one.


2. Ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.
Trump promised to repeal Obama’s signature health care law on day one of his administration. "Day One" is likely impossible — repeal requires Congress to act. But significant rollback of the Affordable Care Act is feasible and likely with Republicans controlling both House and Senate.
Instead of the Affordable Care Act, Trump said he’d establish tax deductions for health care premiums, allow the purchase of health insurance across state lines and create block grants for state Medicaid programs.
Independent analysts have estimated that Trump’s plan would cause 21 million to 25 million (mostly low-income) people to lose their coverage, increase out-of-pocket spending for everyone and cost $550 billion over a decade.


3.  Suspend immigration from "terror-prone" countries and implement "extreme vetting."
Trump first brought up the idea of extreme vetting in August, comparing it to ideological screening tests used in the Cold War. He has said that Muslims or at least those from "terror-prone" countries would be the targets.
Trump didn’t mention specifics of the screening test. Presumably it would include questioning of visitors’ political views. Trump said the United States needs to screen members of terrorist organizations and vet "any who have hostile attitudes towards our country or its principles — or who believe that Sharia law should supplant American law."
Similarly, Trump didn’t detail which countries he would consider "terror-prone," but analyses suggest the list would include at 12 to 40 countries.


4. Renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement or withdraw from the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
As president, Trump would have the authority to bow out of both trade deals, but going back to the drawing board for new agreements is unlikely, experts told us.
For one, TPP countries have already agreed to not renegotiate. For another, NAFTA countries like Mexico and Canada would have a list of things they’d want from the United States, said Alan Wolff, a former U.S. deputy trade representative under President Jimmy Carter. "These are balanced, hard-to-negotiate agreements."


5. Impose tariffs.
Trump promised to introduce the End the Offshoring Act within his first days in office by imposing tariffs on goods made abroad. It’s unclear how high these tariffs would be (he’s previously floated rates between 20 to 45 percent) and where they would apply.
Warren Maruyama, a former general counsel to the U.S. Trade Representative under Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama, previously told us Trump would have the authority under a variety of trade statutes to impose higher tariffs, but added "it would lead to a trade war and cost hundreds and thousands of jobs."
Hal Shapiro, an attorney specializing in international trade practice, pointed to Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974, which gives the president the power to impose retaliatory tariffs on countries that violate trade agreements or engage in unfair trade practices. But Shapiro said he can’t think of "a single instance" where a U.S. company offshoring is considered an unfair trade practice by the foreign country.


6. Build a wall and have Mexico pay for it.
Trump has vowed from the beginning of his campaign to "build a great, great wall on our southern border" and "have Mexico pay for that wall." As president, he would make good on the promise by introducing the End Illegal Immigration Act, which would also establish penalties for immigration violations.
The act would fully fund construction of the wall by imposing the cost on Mexico. Illegal re-entry under the act would result in minimum prison sentences of two years for general violations and five years for those with criminal records or a history of illegal re-entry.  (Under current immigration law, those prison sentences are the maximum terms.)
As we’ve previously reported, an actual wall will be extremely costly, and it remains to be seen how Trump would force Mexico to pay for it. He has suggested he would pressure the Mexican government by cracking down on the ability of Mexican workers to send money back home to family. (That money is referred to as remittances.)


7. Enact the Trump tax plan.
Trump’s tax plan collapses the seven federal income tax brackets into three, reducing the top marginal rate from 39.6 percent to 33 percent, and lowers the corporate tax rate from 35 to 15 percent, among other things.
This plan, which Trump would introduce as the Middle Class Tax Relief and Simplification Act, will give the wealthy more than the Bush tax cuts by at least a factor of two, effectively raise taxes on single parents and blow up the debt by over $5 trillion.
Given that Republicans control Congress, the plan has a decent chance of passing with input from Congress, experts said. Whether Congress will agree to the dramatic cuts Trump wants remains to be seen, because such tax cuts would mean less revenues for the government and an increase in the federal deficit. Congress might also have its own ideas for restructuring the tax code, and hashing out specifics could take time.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/nov/10/donald-trumps-campaign-promises-first-100-days/

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