Carrier to hike prices on furnaces and air conditioners

by **NigelUno** Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 16:11

http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/07/news/companies/carrier-price-increases/index.html

by Triple Sparty Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 16:14

Thanks, the Donald.

by **steveschneider** Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 16:23

Looks like they saved only 800 jobs. Prices are going to get hiked and the investments for facility upgrades that carrier is going to invest in is automation which will mean fewer jobs.

Trump fans bought into his tower of lies.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 16:29

steveschneider wrote:Looks like they saved only 800 jobs. Prices are going to get hiked and the investments for facility upgrades that carrier is going to invest in is automation which will mean fewer jobs.

Trump fans bought into his tower of lies.

No company is going to "keep jobs here" (assuming they don't just look toward automation) then be cool with the fact that they are going to make less money. They will either require 1) a tax break, which would mean either a higher deficit, higher taxes for everyone or reducing things like our crazy huge military spending or 2) they will raise prices. Either way, they won't be the ones footing the bill for their increased personnel costs.

by **DWags** Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 16:46

by **Robert J Sakimano** Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 16:50

by **I.B. Fine** Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 17:11

So are all their competitors raising prices to match so they can maintain the same market share?

by **Blanch32** Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 17:13

NigelUno wrote:http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/07/news/companies/carrier-price-increases/index.html

nigel,

you thought they'd pass on the savings to the customer instead? lol, this is all about greed, amd glad trump could effect it

by **Blanch32** Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 17:15

I.B. Fine wrote:So are all their competitors raising prices to match so they can maintain the same market share?

This. these morans don't even business

by **DWags** Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 17:18

by **I.B. Fine** Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 17:20

This. these morans don't even business

Yeah! .... I think..... scratch

Carrier to hike prices on furnaces and air conditioners 502811600

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 17:27

I.B. Fine wrote:So are all their competitors raising prices to match so they can maintain the same market share?

Perhaps. I'm glad I can pay more for a furnace no matter which company i shop through though!

At least those 800 people who refused to educate themselves to be able to do something other than low skill labor will be able to keep their jobs on my dime though. That's great. I'm so conservative and free market that I super like the idea of the government artificially proping up dying industries instead of giving people opportunities to better themselves. It makes me happy.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 17:30

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
I.B. Fine wrote:So are all their competitors raising prices to match so they can maintain the same market share?

Perhaps. I'm glad I can pay more for a furnace no matter which company i shop through though!

At least those 800 people who refused to educate themselves to be able to do something other than low skill labor will be able to keep their jobs on my dime though. That's great. I'm so conservative and free market that I super like the idea of the government artificially proping up dying industries instead of giving people opportunities to better themselves. It makes me happy.

"conservatives" cheering for the government-funded Carrier bailout would be like an evangelical voting for an admitted sexual predator.

oh... wait.

Carrier to hike prices on furnaces and air conditioners 502811600

by CheesySpartan Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 17:34

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Perhaps. I'm glad I can pay more for a furnace no matter which company i shop through though!

At least those 800 people who refused to educate themselves to be able to do something other than low skill labor will be able to keep their jobs on my dime though. That's great. I'm so conservative and free market that I super like the idea of the government artificially proping up dying industries instead of giving people opportunities to better themselves. It makes me happy.
"conservatives" cheering for the government-funded Carrier bailout would be like an evangelical voting for an admitted sexual predator.

oh... wait.

What is Carrier getting bailed out from?

by **I.B. Fine** Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 17:35

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
I.B. Fine wrote:So are all their competitors raising prices to match so they can maintain the same market share?

Perhaps. I'm glad I can pay more for a furnace no matter which company i shop through though!

At least those 800 people who refused to educate themselves to be able to do something other than low skill labor will be able to keep their jobs on my dime though. That's great. I'm so conservative and free market that I super like the idea of the government artificially proping up dying industries instead of giving people opportunities to better themselves. It makes me happy.

You're making all most as much sense as Blanch, take a breath and remove your candy cane, sloooowly.

by **Blanch32** Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 17:41

libs definitely do not business. holy cow!

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 17:50

I.B. Fine wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Perhaps. I'm glad I can pay more for a furnace no matter which company i shop through though!

At least those 800 people who refused to educate themselves to be able to do something other than low skill labor will be able to keep their jobs on my dime though. That's great. I'm so conservative and free market that I super like the idea of the government artificially proping up dying industries instead of giving people opportunities to better themselves. It makes me happy.
You're making all most as much sense as Blanch, take a breath and remove your candy cane, sloooowly.

I'd love to know which part you think doesnt make sense.

by **GRR Spartan** Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 17:51

There was a pricing lag going back to the collapse of construction that's finally catching up. Business borrowing costs have begun to rise along with other costs.

Every HVAC manufacturer will be raising prices. They all buy their materials from the same places and all use the same transportation.

It isn't politics. It's the cost of doing business.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 17:54

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
I.B. Fine wrote:So are all their competitors raising prices to match so they can maintain the same market share?

Perhaps. I'm glad I can pay more for a furnace no matter which company i shop through though!

At least those 800 people who refused to educate themselves to be able to do something other than low skill labor will be able to keep their jobs on my dime though. That's great. I'm so conservative and free market that I super like the idea of the government artificially proping up dying industries instead of giving people opportunities to better themselves. It makes me happy.

God damn Travis it's good to have you back. I would also like to know what IB fine found a lack of sense in.

by **Blanch32** Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 17:57

GRR Spartan wrote:There was a pricing lag going back to the collapse of construction that's finally catching up. Business borrowing costs have begun to rise along with other costs.

Every HVAC manufacturer will be raising prices. They all buy their materials from the same places and all use the same transportation.

It isn't politics. It's the cost of doing business.

negative , commodity pricing still no where near the 2009 to 2011 highs. this is all overhead and profit related.

by Triple Sparty Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 18:06

Nigel with a great troll job.

by **Blanch32** Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 18:08

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Perhaps. I'm glad I can pay more for a furnace no matter which company i shop through though!

At least those 800 people who refused to educate themselves to be able to do something other than low skill labor will be able to keep their jobs on my dime though. That's great. I'm so conservative and free market that I super like the idea of the government artificially proping up dying industries instead of giving people opportunities to better themselves. It makes me happy.

God damn Travis it's good to have you back. I would also like to know what IB fine found a lack of sense in.

i guess i didn't realize 80% of the us pop is just lazy....

by Herbie Green Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 18:13

GRR Spartan wrote:There was a pricing lag going back to the collapse of construction that's finally catching up. Business borrowing costs have begun to rise along with other costs.

Every HVAC manufacturer will be raising prices. They all buy their materials from the same places and all use the same transportation.

It isn't politics. It's the cost of doing business.

They were reported to save $65 million in labor costs and feared political action against the company.

by **I.B. Fine** Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 18:23

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
I.B. Fine wrote:
You're making all most as much sense as Blanch, take a breath and remove your candy cane, sloooowly.

I'd love to know which part you think doesnt make sense.

The avatar picture...

......and everything else, how is Carrier being propped up? bribed to stay in Indiana, yes, propped up, no, and when it comes to buying your next furnace, you (and pretty much everyone else) will buy the one they perceive is the best value, regardless of government involvement.

by **The_Dude** Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 18:25

Pathetic what the left has been reduced to

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 18:30

I.B. Fine wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

I'd love to know which part you think doesnt make sense.

The avatar picture...

......and everything else, how is Carrier being propped up? bribed to stay in Indiana, yes, propped up, no, and when it comes to buying your next furnace, you (and pretty much everyone else) will buy the one they perceive is the best value, regardless of government involvement.

Propped up was probably a lazy word after Bob talked about bailout earlier which wasn't the right term either... The company, carrier, isn't being propped up. Nor is the industry. The manufacturing jobs are. They were set to leave and were spending money to keep them to what end? So they can eventually leave while we pay more money for the product in the interim? Or perhaps not eventually leave and instead I continue to pay artificially higher prices in the long term, while also giving a tax break to the company for keeping the jobs here? No thanks, I'd rather they leave and we allow our economy to mature with globalization rather than fighting against it.

by CheesySpartan Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 18:36

The_Dude wrote:Pathetic what the left has been reduced to

Carrier to hike prices on furnaces and air conditioners 681234

by **steveschneider** Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 19:03

It's funny to watch the uninformed right wingers that refuse to read the NYT, WSJ or Washington Post gloat over a terrible deal for this country. Even Sarah Palin got it right in her essay about crony capitalism. It was a historic moment where I actually agreed with her.

The gloaters are prime examples of post-truth Americana. Their joy isn't based in fact, it just feels right to be happy about the Carrier Deal.

by **Turtleneck** Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 19:34

Blanch32 wrote:
Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

God damn Travis it's good to have you back. I would also like to know what IB fine found a lack of sense in.

i guess i didn't realize 80% of the us pop is just lazy....

I didn't realize your girlfriend accounts for 80% of the U.S. population's weight.

by **GRR Spartan** Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 19:47

Herbie Green wrote:
GRR Spartan wrote:There was a pricing lag going back to the collapse of construction that's finally catching up. Business borrowing costs have begun to rise along with other costs.

Every HVAC manufacturer will be raising prices. They all buy their materials from the same places and all use the same transportation.

It isn't politics. It's the cost of doing business.

They were reported to save $65 million in labor costs and feared political action against the company.

The $65M projected savings is all well and good but we saw 4-5 years of minimal annual or bi-annual price increases.

Carrier was going to have price increases regardless of how many jobs ended up staying or leaving Indiana.

by Herbie Green Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 21:29

GRR Spartan wrote:
Herbie Green wrote:

They were reported to save $65 million in labor costs and feared political action against the company.

The $65M projected savings is all well and good but we saw 4-5 years of minimal annual or bi-annual price increases.

Carrier was going to have price increases regardless of how many jobs ended up staying or leaving Indiana.

Carrier must be pleased that this $65 million of additional expense is irrelevant since other costs were also going up.

by **xsanguine** Wed 7 Dec 2016 - 22:05

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
I.B. Fine wrote:So are all their competitors raising prices to match so they can maintain the same market share?

Perhaps. I'm glad I can pay more for a furnace no matter which company i shop through though!

At least those 800 people who refused to educate themselves to be able to do something other than low skill labor will be able to keep their jobs on my dime though. That's great. I'm so conservative and free market that I super like the idea of the government artificially proping up dying industries instead of giving people opportunities to better themselves. It makes me happy.

That's an interesting free market.

by **Blanch32** Thu 8 Dec 2016 - 0:46

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
I.B. Fine wrote:

The avatar picture...

......and everything else, how is Carrier being propped up? bribed to stay in Indiana, yes, propped up, no, and when it comes to buying your next furnace, you (and pretty much everyone else) will buy the one they perceive is the best value, regardless of government involvement.

Propped up was probably a lazy word after Bob talked about bailout earlier which wasn't the right term either... The company, carrier, isn't being propped up. Nor is the industry. The manufacturing jobs are. They were set to leave and were spending money to keep them to what end? So they can eventually leave while we pay more money for the product in the interim? Or perhaps not eventually leave and instead I continue to pay artificially higher prices in the long term, while also giving a tax break to the company for keeping the jobs here? No thanks, I'd rather they leave and we allow our economy to mature with globalization rather than fighting against it.

wow, someone really hates the midwest,....and The Dowager Lady Margret, Countess and Prefict of Northumbria by default

by **steveschneider** Thu 8 Dec 2016 - 0:52

Trump ripped the union leader for Carrier employees on twitter and now he's receiving death threats.

Post Comet Pizza you'd think our ever so charming president elect would know he's inciting violence when he vilifies people by name over his twitter account.

by **Blanch32** Thu 8 Dec 2016 - 0:52

Herbie Green wrote:
GRR Spartan wrote:

The $65M projected savings is all well and good but we saw 4-5 years of minimal annual or bi-annual price increases.

Carrier was going to have price increases regardless of how many jobs ended up staying or leaving Indiana.

Carrier must be pleased that this $65 million of additional expense is irrelevant since other costs were also going up.

not additional. that's potential. .....and easily on the high end too, since i guarantee logistics and effectiveness isnt being factored in.

in my experience, ive only been to one Mexican plant that was more efficient than their us counterpart, and that's the exception, not the norm. generally, mexican run operations are complete clusters, and fuck up the quality and rep of the parent org, and you are better off buying Chinese since it's going to at least be cheaper.

then again, i do this shit for a living, so what do i know....

by CheesySpartan Thu 8 Dec 2016 - 1:40

Blanch32 wrote:
Herbie Green wrote:

Carrier must be pleased that this $65 million of additional expense is irrelevant since other costs were also going up.

not additional. that's potential. .....and easily on the high end too, since i guarantee logistics and effectiveness isnt being factored in.

in my experience, ive only been to one Mexican plant that was more efficient than their us counterpart, and that's the exception, not the norm. generally, mexican run operations are complete clusters, and fuck up the quality and rep of the parent org, and you are better off buying Chinese since it's going to at least be cheaper.

then again, i do this shit for a living, so what do i know....

Of course the product sucks but it's cheap and that what the US consumer wants

by **Blanch32** Thu 8 Dec 2016 - 9:42

CheesySpartan wrote:
Blanch32 wrote:

not additional. that's potential. .....and easily on the high end too, since i guarantee logistics and effectiveness isnt being factored in.

in my experience, ive only been to one Mexican plant that was more efficient than their us counterpart, and that's the exception, not the norm. generally, mexican run operations are complete clusters, and fuck up the quality and rep of the parent org, and you are better off buying Chinese since it's going to at least be cheaper.

then again, i do this shit for a living, so what do i know....

Of course the product sucks but it's cheap and that what the US consumer wants

not necessarily. it flat out needs to work too. we demand x # of years of quality product too.

by **I.B. Fine** Thu 8 Dec 2016 - 10:05

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
I.B. Fine wrote:

The avatar picture...

......and everything else, how is Carrier being propped up? bribed to stay in Indiana, yes, propped up, no, and when it comes to buying your next furnace, you (and pretty much everyone else) will buy the one they perceive is the best value, regardless of government involvement.

Propped up was probably a lazy word after Bob talked about bailout earlier which wasn't the right term either... The company, carrier, isn't being propped up. Nor is the industry. The manufacturing jobs are. They were set to leave and were spending money to keep them to what end? So they can eventually leave while we pay more money for the product in the interim? Or perhaps not eventually leave and instead I continue to pay artificially higher prices in the long term, while also giving a tax break to the company for keeping the jobs here? No thanks, I'd rather they leave and we allow our economy to mature with globalization rather than fighting against it.

I think you are throwing manufacturing jobs under the bus a bit too hastily. We will always have some manufacturing, and more would actually be better, but I think you are saying it has to make economic sense, which I agree with.
Carrier type deals are not going to turn around the economy and this case is mostly for show, but it's not like these deals don't happen all the time with state and local incentives.
The correct way to change the tide of out sourcing is to lower taxes (ideally eliminate them on businesses, but that won't happen) and cut stupid regulations that add cost with little to no benefit so the US starts to look like a more attractive place to invest.

by Herbie Green Thu 8 Dec 2016 - 10:27

Blanch32 wrote:
Herbie Green wrote:

Carrier must be pleased that this $65 million of additional expense is irrelevant since other costs were also going up.

not additional. that's potential. .....and easily on the high end too, since i guarantee logistics and effectiveness isnt being factored in.

in my experience, ive only been to one Mexican plant that was more efficient than their us counterpart, and that's the exception, not the norm. generally, mexican run operations are complete clusters, and fuck up the quality and rep of the parent org, and you are better off buying Chinese since it's going to at least be cheaper.

then again, i do this shit for a living, so what do i know....

Some of you dudes should be CFOs of the company since you have all these numbers calculated more accurately than they do

by **Blanch32** Thu 8 Dec 2016 - 22:55

Herbie Green wrote:
Blanch32 wrote:

not additional. that's potential. .....and easily on the high end too, since i guarantee logistics and effectiveness isnt being factored in.

in my experience, ive only been to one Mexican plant that was more efficient than their us counterpart, and that's the exception, not the norm. generally, mexican run operations are complete clusters, and fuck up the quality and rep of the parent org, and you are better off buying Chinese since it's going to at least be cheaper.

then again, i do this shit for a living, so what do i know....

Some of you dudes should be CFOs of the company since you have all these numbers calculated more accurately than they do

sorry, I have untegrity and ethics and not that big of ego

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