Is Winston hurt?

Izzo. But ankle.

he was needed. thank izzo for not getting him involved

Watched a post game blurb after the podium interviews. Coach said he has to play both ends. Someone asked about his ankle. Coach gives raised eyebrows look to guy who asked and after a delay: "Ankle.....??? (shaking head) no....no."

Harris started out that way too didn't he? Mo Pete? If they didn't play both ends they didnt' play for Izzo.

DWags wrote:Harris started out that way too didn't he? Mo Pete? If they didn't play both ends they didnt' play for Izzo.

Tum tum doesn't play both ends. Ooh, in before OTPT!

DWags wrote:Harris started out that way too didn't he? Mo Pete? If they didn't play both ends they didnt' play for Izzo.

I don't think so. I recall Izzo calling Harris the best defender on the team pretty early in his freshman year. Pete, yes, definitely.

ugh, what a tough tradeoff. Can't we just combine the two guys.

NigelUno wrote:

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:

I don't think so. I recall Izzo calling Harris the best defender on the team pretty early in his freshman year. Pete, yes, definitely.

ugh, what a tough tradeoff. Can't we just combine the two guys.

Probably meant Eron Harris.

Yeah must have meant GH

If he sat him and he could have played it's obvious Izzo wanted to lose this game IMHO. In Izzo We Trust?!!!

NigelUno wrote:

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:

I don't think so. I recall Izzo calling Harris the best defender on the team pretty early in his freshman year. Pete, yes, definitely.

ugh, what a tough tradeoff. Can't we just combine the two guys.

Probably meant Eron Harris.

Yeah, I heard he had problems playing defense or with the Izzo's concepts at first. Maybe I heard differnet.

InTenSity wrote:

DWags wrote:Harris started out that way too didn't he? Mo Pete? If they didn't play both ends they didnt' play for Izzo.

Tum tum doesn't play both ends. Ooh, in before OTPT!

This is a great point. He probably gets a pass because of his "leadership".

Yeah sorry, Eron Harris. Duh. I just miss Gary.

It's Izzo 101. Tum's gonna play a lot, and in the clutch until Cash can adequately play D. Don't think Tum is what any of us want as our starting PG right now but he's what we've got and our Coach is never going to sacrifice D for O.

duffy munn wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:



This is a great point. He probably gets a pass because of his "leadership".

I'm not going to argue that Tum is a liability offensively.

But he is a leader. I bet if you ask ANY of his teammates they will tell you as much.

Which defines a leader.

toc was a leader too.....as was maxwell..

As Izzo has said it is tough to be an effective leader when you are not playing well

duffy munn wrote:

CheesySpartan wrote:If he sat him and he could have played it's obvious Izzo wanted to lose this game IMHO. In Izzo We Trust?!!!

Izzo has a history of wanting to lose games. So this must be it.

I honestly think he might be throwing the entire season for the sake of the program.
I don't think there is much doubt that the team is usually better with Cash on the floor but he doesn't want to go into next season thinking that kind of defense is acceptable.

FTR. I think the way Walton jr. is playing he would have lit Winston up today and enjoyed doing it.

The points been made that the gap between ward and goins as well as tum tum and cash on defense isn't as big as what the gap is between them on offense so as far as the whole plus minus thing what do you have to lose? Hard to come back with an argument against that.

But I do know this: Izzo has made this issue a front page issue and if Winston and Ward didn't notice that their defense required more urgency before, it does now. I think the little elf has done what he wanted. There are now news articles about it.

duffy munn wrote:

Herbie Green wrote:

I honestly think he might be throwing the entire season for the sake of the program.
I don't think there is much doubt that the team is usually better with Cash on the floor but he doesn't want to go into next season thinking that kind of defense is acceptable.

I believe you actually think this.

duffy you are nuts if you think izzo goes all out in in every single game. promise you he wouldn't have the tourney record he has if he did

Herbie Green wrote:

duffy munn wrote:

Izzo has a history of wanting to lose games. So this must be it.

I honestly think he might be throwing the entire season for the sake of the program.
I don't think there is much doubt that the team is usually better with Cash on the floor but he doesn't want to go into next season thinking that kind of defense is acceptable.

You are just as dumb as Blanche.

duffy munn wrote:

Herbie Green wrote:

I honestly think he might be throwing the entire season for the sake of the program.
I don't think there is much doubt that the team is usually better with Cash on the floor but he doesn't want to go into next season thinking that kind of defense is acceptable.

I believe you actually think this.

Yeah I don't think I am that far off. Dwags makes a great follow up point of the kind of thing I am alluding to.

"The points been made that the gap between ward and goins as well as tum tum and cash on defense isn't as big as what the gap is between them on offense so as far as the whole plus minus thing what do you have to lose? Hard to come back with an argument against that."

So you can play Cash and Ward more minutes and sacrifice some defense but win more games. I'm not really sure how you could possibly not see something so basic like this that is going on?

Herbie Green wrote:

duffy munn wrote:

I believe you actually think this.

Yeah I don't think I am that far off. Dwags makes a great follow up point of the kind of thing I am alluding to.

"The points been made that the gap between ward and goins as well as tum tum and cash on defense isn't as big as what the gap is between them on offense so as far as the whole plus minus thing what do you have to lose? Hard to come back with an argument against that."

So you can play Cash and Ward more minutes and sacrifice some defense but win more games. I'm not really sure how you could possibly not see something so basic like this that is going on?

Muffy can't cause muffy sunshine

Blanch32 wrote:

Herbie Green wrote:

Yeah I don't think I am that far off. Dwags makes a great follow up point of the kind of thing I am alluding to.

"The points been made that the gap between ward and goins as well as tum tum and cash on defense isn't as big as what the gap is between them on offense so as far as the whole plus minus thing what do you have to lose? Hard to come back with an argument against that."

So you can play Cash and Ward more minutes and sacrifice some defense but win more games. I'm not really sure how you could possibly not see something so basic like this that is going on?

Muffy can't cause muffy sunshine

It is sad he wants so bad to defend the coaches but is so clueless that he actually contradicts them.