New Study shows Republicans the much more diverse party
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New Study shows Republicans the much more diverse party
Trump’s still sitting in the sweet spot of American politics
GRR has mocked me repeatedly here for basing my support on the Supreme court, it seems that may be a pretty popular position - perhaps even a plurality in American politics.
The underlying study from Democracy Fund -
Political Divisions in 2016 and Beyond
The question reveals a category mistake, the assumption that there is such a thing as the “Republican Party.”
In fact, there are three of them, and they’re all distinct. That became clear from a remarkable new analysis of voter preferences by Lee Drutman at the Voter Survey Group. Drutman asked voters to identify whom they voted for and how they felt about various economic and social issues. He then mapped this out in a diagram.
We’ve been told that Republicans are extreme and Democrats moderate. Drutman’s diagram shows that the opposite is true. Democratic voters congregated at the very economically and socially liberal corner. By contrast, the Republicans were all over the place.
The next surprise was the strength of Republican social conservatism. That’s something our “growth and opportunity” Republican establishment, and all the smart people at right-wing think tanks, never figured out. They saw the world only on an economic axis. How fellow Republicans might have felt about same-sex marriage and abortion was simply an embarrassment.
It turns out, however, that the Republican voter, unlike the party establishment, is socially conservative and economically middle of the road. In fact, there are a lot of left-of-center Republicans on economic issues such as free trade and Social Security.
But here’s Drutman’s big surprise. The sweet spot in American politics, the place where elections are won, is the socially conservative and economically liberal quadrant. And the winner is going to be the fellow who’s not going to touch Social Security and who promises to nominate a judge in the mold of Antonin Scalia.
Donald Trump, in other words.
GRR has mocked me repeatedly here for basing my support on the Supreme court, it seems that may be a pretty popular position - perhaps even a plurality in American politics.
The underlying study from Democracy Fund -
Political Divisions in 2016 and Beyond
To summarize, supporters of Clinton and Trump are very polarized on identity and moral issues. Views on economic issues are more of a mix. Both candidates’ supporters are generally supportive of the social safety net, and somewhat concerned about trade. Yet they diverge very much on how concerned they are about inequality, and how actively they want to see government regulate business and intervene in the economy.
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Re: New Study shows Republicans the much more diverse party
For a guy who reads a lot confusing mock with pointing out statements made by the OP looks like another victim card being drawn by the deck.
I know the GOP is diverse. It's voters are Pro Gun, anti-abortion, favor tightening voter registration along with requiring voter ID to reduce the voter pool. The want lower taxes, elimination of capital gains and inheritance taxes, cut government personnel /"smaller government" . They like the idea of getting rid of social safety nets, environmental regulations and favor privatization of education, prisons, highways and bridges and get rid of government oversight to " save money".
Not people who identify as Republicans want all those things therefore it's an amalgam like most large political parties.
The OP wants us to believe the general population favors taking away class action law suits, legal decisions that favor creation of boards appointed by industry insiders to resolve disputes and possibly make refusing goods and services including medical treatment legal based religious beliefs.
Okey dokey
I know the GOP is diverse. It's voters are Pro Gun, anti-abortion, favor tightening voter registration along with requiring voter ID to reduce the voter pool. The want lower taxes, elimination of capital gains and inheritance taxes, cut government personnel /"smaller government" . They like the idea of getting rid of social safety nets, environmental regulations and favor privatization of education, prisons, highways and bridges and get rid of government oversight to " save money".
Not people who identify as Republicans want all those things therefore it's an amalgam like most large political parties.
The OP wants us to believe the general population favors taking away class action law suits, legal decisions that favor creation of boards appointed by industry insiders to resolve disputes and possibly make refusing goods and services including medical treatment legal based religious beliefs.
Okey dokey
GRR Spartan- Geronte
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Re: New Study shows Republicans the much more diverse party
"If I don't win, the election is rigged," seems obvious Trump knew before the election there were outside forces guaranteeing him a win, and that if it didn't happen, somebody on HRC's side stole his already stolen election.
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Re: New Study shows Republicans the much more diverse party
LooseGoose wrote:Trump’s still sitting in the sweet spot of American politicsThe question reveals a category mistake, the assumption that there is such a thing as the “Republican Party.”
In fact, there are three of them, and they’re all distinct. That became clear from a remarkable new analysis of voter preferences by Lee Drutman at the Voter Survey Group. Drutman asked voters to identify whom they voted for and how they felt about various economic and social issues. He then mapped this out in a diagram.
We’ve been told that Republicans are extreme and Democrats moderate. Drutman’s diagram shows that the opposite is true. Democratic voters congregated at the very economically and socially liberal corner. By contrast, the Republicans were all over the place.
The next surprise was the strength of Republican social conservatism. That’s something our “growth and opportunity” Republican establishment, and all the smart people at right-wing think tanks, never figured out. They saw the world only on an economic axis. How fellow Republicans might have felt about same-sex marriage and abortion was simply an embarrassment.
It turns out, however, that the Republican voter, unlike the party establishment, is socially conservative and economically middle of the road. In fact, there are a lot of left-of-center Republicans on economic issues such as free trade and Social Security.
But here’s Drutman’s big surprise. The sweet spot in American politics, the place where elections are won, is the socially conservative and economically liberal quadrant. And the winner is going to be the fellow who’s not going to touch Social Security and who promises to nominate a judge in the mold of Antonin Scalia.
Donald Trump, in other words.
GRR has mocked me repeatedly here for basing my support on the Supreme court, it seems that may be a pretty popular position - perhaps even a plurality in American politics.
The underlying study from Democracy Fund -
Political Divisions in 2016 and BeyondTo summarize, supporters of Clinton and Trump are very polarized on identity and moral issues. Views on economic issues are more of a mix. Both candidates’ supporters are generally supportive of the social safety net, and somewhat concerned about trade. Yet they diverge very much on how concerned they are about inequality, and how actively they want to see government regulate business and intervene in the economy.
Translation: The typical Trump voter is a selfish fuck with an "I got mine, screw you" mentality.
Seems about right.
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Re: New Study shows Republicans the much more diverse party
LooseGoose wrote:Trump’s still sitting in the sweet spot of American politicsThe question reveals a category mistake, the assumption that there is such a thing as the “Republican Party.”
In fact, there are three of them, and they’re all distinct. That became clear from a remarkable new analysis of voter preferences by Lee Drutman at the Voter Survey Group. Drutman asked voters to identify whom they voted for and how they felt about various economic and social issues. He then mapped this out in a diagram.
We’ve been told that Republicans are extreme and Democrats moderate. Drutman’s diagram shows that the opposite is true. Democratic voters congregated at the very economically and socially liberal corner. By contrast, the Republicans were all over the place.
The next surprise was the strength of Republican social conservatism. That’s something our “growth and opportunity” Republican establishment, and all the smart people at right-wing think tanks, never figured out. They saw the world only on an economic axis. How fellow Republicans might have felt about same-sex marriage and abortion was simply an embarrassment.
It turns out, however, that the Republican voter, unlike the party establishment, is socially conservative and economically middle of the road. In fact, there are a lot of left-of-center Republicans on economic issues such as free trade and Social Security.
But here’s Drutman’s big surprise. The sweet spot in American politics, the place where elections are won, is the socially conservative and economically liberal quadrant. And the winner is going to be the fellow who’s not going to touch Social Security and who promises to nominate a judge in the mold of Antonin Scalia.
Donald Trump, in other words.
GRR has mocked me repeatedly here for basing my support on the Supreme court, it seems that may be a pretty popular position - perhaps even a plurality in American politics.
The underlying study from Democracy Fund -
Political Divisions in 2016 and BeyondTo summarize, supporters of Clinton and Trump are very polarized on identity and moral issues. Views on economic issues are more of a mix. Both candidates’ supporters are generally supportive of the social safety net, and somewhat concerned about trade. Yet they diverge very much on how concerned they are about inequality, and how actively they want to see government regulate business and intervene in the economy.
But...you said you didn't vote for Trump.
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Re: New Study shows Republicans the much more diverse party
Agreed. They've opened their arms to...
Racists
Pedophiles
Sexual predators
Bullies
Homophobes
Bigots
Emotional snowflakes
Racists
Pedophiles
Sexual predators
Bullies
Homophobes
Bigots
Emotional snowflakes
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Re: New Study shows Republicans the much more diverse party
Most vocal republicans I now know, act more like, and often self identify as libertarians. They don't care about gay marriage at all. This is the new thing that makes them feel progressive. But what they really care about is that "the government gets out of business' way." It means NO taxes are good, NO laws protecting marginalized groups are good, ALL public property would better be managed by states, local municipalities, or should be made private. Education should be voucher only. They say that the market, unencumbered will always make the best decisions. They are in love with these new silicon valley elite that have turned into libertarian ghouls as they've amassed resources.
You're goddamn right the GOP is diverse. Because it has no unified vision except to oppose the left and the moderate Republicans have sold themselves out to the hard right ghouls even though they (the moderates) actually think that taking care of each other is a good thing, because they are more afraid of socialism than libertarianism.
This is the new social war and it's rapidly stocking up on both sides. Pretty soon we're going to stop pretending it isn't the Feudalists vs. the Socialists.
I know what side I"m going to line up on.
You're goddamn right the GOP is diverse. Because it has no unified vision except to oppose the left and the moderate Republicans have sold themselves out to the hard right ghouls even though they (the moderates) actually think that taking care of each other is a good thing, because they are more afraid of socialism than libertarianism.
This is the new social war and it's rapidly stocking up on both sides. Pretty soon we're going to stop pretending it isn't the Feudalists vs. the Socialists.
I know what side I"m going to line up on.
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Re: New Study shows Republicans the much more diverse party
kingstonlake wrote:Agreed. They've opened their arms to...
Racists
Pedophiles
Sexual predators
Bullies
Homophobes
Bigots
Emotional snowflakes
2 more leftists in court today for threatening to shoot Republicans.
The party of rational thought and peace.
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Re: New Study shows Republicans the much more diverse party
Leftists?
Are those Americans who don't agree with your political dogma so you give them a name historically tied to anarchists and Communists.?
Are they less than Americans because they don't agree with your narrow views?
Are those Americans who don't agree with your political dogma so you give them a name historically tied to anarchists and Communists.?
Are they less than Americans because they don't agree with your narrow views?
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Re: New Study shows Republicans the much more diverse party
GRR Spartan wrote:Leftists?
Are those Americans who don't agree with your political dogma so you give them a name historically tied to anarchists and Communists.?
Are they less than Americans because they don't agree with your narrow views?
I'm kind of okay with it.
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Re: New Study shows Republicans the much more diverse party
GRR Spartan wrote:Leftists?
Are those Americans who don't agree with your political dogma so you give them a name historically tied to anarchists and Communists.?
Are they less than Americans because they don't agree with your narrow views?
I see you ignored the threatening to kill part. Smooth.
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