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Will Trump address election meddling with Putin? Should he?

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Post by Turtleneck Thu 6 Jul 2017 - 10:33

They meet tomorrow in Hamburg. So two questions: should Trump bring this up in his conversation with Putin, and do you think he will?
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Post by Turtleneck Thu 6 Jul 2017 - 10:49

‘No Specific Agenda’ Means Trump Will Get Played by Putin, Again

There are plenty of other issues to cover, which again, makes it surprising that McMaster said that the Trump team doesn’t have much of an agenda. The two leaders should talk about extending New START, instability in the Balkans, the INF Treaty, and how to take risk-reduction steps. Sam Nunn, Igor Ivanov, Des Browne, and Wolfgang Ischinger in a recent letter to Trump suggested the two countries also create a NATO-Russia Military Crisis Management Group. Whatever the two leaders discuss, it is important that Trump seek input and advice from some of our closest Europeans allies, many of whom he will see in Hamburg before he sees Putin.

To Trump's credit, he did the following this morning. He corrected his error while at NATO headquarters in May by explicitly mentioning Article 5, and showed resolve by authorizing the sale of Patriot missile defense technology to Poland.


The first message Trump needs to send to Putin should be one of transatlantic resolve, and he can do that during his stop in Poland, which will proceed his meeting with Putin in Hamburg. In Warsaw, Trump can reassure skittish allies and showcase transatlantic unity by reaffirming his commitment to transatlantic values, NATO’s Article 5, and enhanced deterrence. In his speech there, Trump should stress that, while we sometimes have differences with our allies over issues like defense spending, we will not tolerate Russia’s attempts to undermine our democratic systems and divide Europe from the United States. Putin has no doubt enjoyed watching the transatlantic partners spend months wringing their hands over the future of the relationship as Trump’s views on Europe and Russia have remained vague. Putin needs to see and hear from Trump personally that the ties that bind the two sides of the Atlantic are as strong as ever.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/07/05/no-specific-agenda-means-trump-will-get-played-by-putin-again/?utm_content=bufferbaecb&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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Post by Rocinante Thu 6 Jul 2017 - 10:56

I'm still not convinced he's not their man. The needle has never moved for me from "I think he's mostly a dumbass but there's a remote possibility that he's compromised enough to be their guy."
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Post by NigelUno Thu 6 Jul 2017 - 11:19

I don't think he's moved on from blaming Obama for not doing anything yet.
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Post by Rocinante Thu 6 Jul 2017 - 11:23

He also AGAIN said today that Russia MIGHT have meddled in the election, but others MIGHT have too.
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Post by Turtleneck Fri 7 Jul 2017 - 0:30

Russians Are Said to Be Suspects in Nuclear Site Hackings
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-07/russians-are-said-to-be-suspects-in-hacks-involving-nuclear-site

Note: According to Drudge, it was actually Thai hackers. Since this story has not been reported by Fox it is most likely #fakenews.
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Post by tGreenWay Fri 7 Jul 2017 - 1:49

I was thinking about Gerald Ford earlier today, and how his denial of Soviet domination in Poland and Eastern Europe during the debate w/Carter in large part cost him the '76 election.
Then I thought about Donnie, and how his supporters don't care that their guy knows nothing about geopolitics and history and has zero interest in learning on the job. We live in frightening times. Some of you with kids and grandkids might see them fighting in places we never imagined against nations with millions of soldiers to sacrifice for their cause.
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Post by Turtleneck Fri 7 Jul 2017 - 14:00

It appears Trump did press him, and in a stunning move Putin said it did not happen.
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Post by NigelUno Fri 7 Jul 2017 - 14:06

Turtleneck wrote:It appears Trump did press him, and in a stunning move Putin said it did not happen.

Putin asked for proof.

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Post by Turtleneck Fri 7 Jul 2017 - 14:18

The Associated Press‏Verified account
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BREAKING: Russian foreign minister says Trump accepted Putin's assurances that Russia didn't meddle in the U.S. election.

I am glad that is settled.
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Post by Turtleneck Fri 7 Jul 2017 - 14:23

AP Politics‏Verified account
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BREAKING: Russia's foreign minister says Trump and Putin discussed cybersecurity and agreed to set up a joint group to address it.

Hi Mr. Fox, welcome to the henhouse.
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Post by NigelUno Fri 7 Jul 2017 - 14:50

Turtleneck wrote:The Associated Press‏Verified account
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BREAKING: Russian foreign minister says Trump accepted Putin's assurances that Russia didn't meddle in the U.S. election.

I am glad that is settled.

Is this what Goose meant when he said Trump was getting tough on Russia?
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Post by DWags Fri 7 Jul 2017 - 16:23

Turtleneck wrote:AP Politics‏Verified account
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BREAKING: Russia's foreign minister says Trump and Putin discussed cybersecurity and agreed to set up a joint group to address it.

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Post by DWags Fri 7 Jul 2017 - 16:24

Turtleneck wrote:The Associated Press‏Verified account
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BREAKING: Russian foreign minister says Trump accepted Putin's assurances that Russia didn't meddle in the U.S. election.

I am glad that is settled.

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Post by Turtleneck Fri 7 Jul 2017 - 17:38

Jim Sciutto‏Verified account @jimsciutto 29m29 minutes ago
WH counters that Trump did NOT accept Putin's denial of election meddling, @Acosta reports


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Sharp difference b/t Tillerson's & Lavrov's versions of how Trump raised election meddling requires clarification from WH. Will we get it?
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Post by Rocinante Fri 7 Jul 2017 - 17:45

Turtleneck wrote:Jim Sciutto‏Verified account @jimsciutto 29m29 minutes ago
WH counters that Trump did NOT accept Putin's denial of election meddling, @Acosta reports


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Sharp difference b/t Tillerson's & Lavrov's versions of how Trump raised election meddling requires clarification from WH. Will we get it?

Why even ask.
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Post by Turtleneck Fri 7 Jul 2017 - 18:32

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We now see the problem with a president who is a pathological liar. When it's his word versus even Putin's we don't know who to believe.
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Post by Turtleneck Sun 9 Jul 2017 - 9:39

Nikki Haley, U.S. Ambassador to the U.N.: "Everybody knows that Russia meddled in our elections."

Donald J. Trump, President of the United States of America: "I think it was Russia, but I think it was probably other people and/or countries, and I see nothing wrong with that statement. Nobody really knows. Nobody really knows for sure."

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Post by Turtleneck Sun 9 Jul 2017 - 21:03

DWags wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:AP Politics‏Verified account
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BREAKING: Russia's foreign minister says Trump and Putin discussed cybersecurity and agreed to set up a joint group to address it.

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Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin on Sunday said he thinks it is a "significant accomplishment" that President Trump talked with Russian President Vladimir Putin about forming a cybersecurity unit.

During an interview on ABC's "This Week," Mnuchin said he thinks this is a "very important step forward."

"What we want to make sure is that we coordinate with Russia, that we're focused on cybersecurity together, that we make sure that they never interfere in any Democratic elections or conduct any cybersecurity," he said.

"And this is like any other strategic alliance, whether we're doing military exercises with our allies or anything else. This is about having capabilities to make sure that we both fight cyber together, which I think is a very significant accomplishment for President Trump."

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/341169-mnuchin-discussion-with-russia-about-cybersecurity-partnership
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Post by Turtleneck Sun 9 Jul 2017 - 21:09

Never mind folks.

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump  23m23 minutes ago
The fact that President Putin and I discussed a Cyber Security unit  doesn't mean I think it can happen. It can't-but a ceasefire can,& did!

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Post by GRR Spartan Sun 9 Jul 2017 - 21:10

We have a President who will put Russia ahead of US election integrity but integrity and Trump aren't familiar companions.
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Post by Turtleneck Sun 9 Jul 2017 - 21:12

David Marcus‏ @BlueBoxDave  35m35 minutes ago
I apologize for the miracle on ice. That was wrong of us. We won't do it again, you like me? Right? Right?!
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Post by Turtleneck Tue 18 Jul 2017 - 18:03

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Ian Bremmer: Trump, Putin held second informal meeting at G-20

President Trump held a second, informal meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin on the sidelines of the Group of 20 summit in Hamburg earlier this month, according to Ian Bremmer, the president of the international consulting firm Eurasia Group.

The meeting took place during the G-20 heads of state dinner, according to Bremmer, hours after Trump's formal bilateral sit-down with Putin.

In that conversation, Trump spoke with the Russian leader for roughly an hour, joined only by Putin's translator. The meeting had previously gone without mention by the White House.


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