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Will Trump address election meddling with Putin? Should he?
They meet tomorrow in Hamburg. So two questions: should Trump bring this up in his conversation with Putin, and do you think he will?
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‘No Specific Agenda’ Means Trump Will Get Played by Putin, Again
To Trump's credit, he did the following this morning. He corrected his error while at NATO headquarters in May by explicitly mentioning Article 5, and showed resolve by authorizing the sale of Patriot missile defense technology to Poland.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/07/05/no-specific-agenda-means-trump-will-get-played-by-putin-again/?utm_content=bufferbaecb&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
There are plenty of other issues to cover, which again, makes it surprising that McMaster said that the Trump team doesn’t have much of an agenda. The two leaders should talk about extending New START, instability in the Balkans, the INF Treaty, and how to take risk-reduction steps. Sam Nunn, Igor Ivanov, Des Browne, and Wolfgang Ischinger in a recent letter to Trump suggested the two countries also create a NATO-Russia Military Crisis Management Group. Whatever the two leaders discuss, it is important that Trump seek input and advice from some of our closest Europeans allies, many of whom he will see in Hamburg before he sees Putin.
To Trump's credit, he did the following this morning. He corrected his error while at NATO headquarters in May by explicitly mentioning Article 5, and showed resolve by authorizing the sale of Patriot missile defense technology to Poland.
The first message Trump needs to send to Putin should be one of transatlantic resolve, and he can do that during his stop in Poland, which will proceed his meeting with Putin in Hamburg. In Warsaw, Trump can reassure skittish allies and showcase transatlantic unity by reaffirming his commitment to transatlantic values, NATO’s Article 5, and enhanced deterrence. In his speech there, Trump should stress that, while we sometimes have differences with our allies over issues like defense spending, we will not tolerate Russia’s attempts to undermine our democratic systems and divide Europe from the United States. Putin has no doubt enjoyed watching the transatlantic partners spend months wringing their hands over the future of the relationship as Trump’s views on Europe and Russia have remained vague. Putin needs to see and hear from Trump personally that the ties that bind the two sides of the Atlantic are as strong as ever.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/07/05/no-specific-agenda-means-trump-will-get-played-by-putin-again/?utm_content=bufferbaecb&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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I'm still not convinced he's not their man. The needle has never moved for me from "I think he's mostly a dumbass but there's a remote possibility that he's compromised enough to be their guy."
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I don't think he's moved on from blaming Obama for not doing anything yet.
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He also AGAIN said today that Russia MIGHT have meddled in the election, but others MIGHT have too.
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Russians Are Said to Be Suspects in Nuclear Site Hackings
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-07/russians-are-said-to-be-suspects-in-hacks-involving-nuclear-site
Note: According to Drudge, it was actually Thai hackers. Since this story has not been reported by Fox it is most likely #fakenews.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-07/russians-are-said-to-be-suspects-in-hacks-involving-nuclear-site
Note: According to Drudge, it was actually Thai hackers. Since this story has not been reported by Fox it is most likely #fakenews.
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I was thinking about Gerald Ford earlier today, and how his denial of Soviet domination in Poland and Eastern Europe during the debate w/Carter in large part cost him the '76 election.
Then I thought about Donnie, and how his supporters don't care that their guy knows nothing about geopolitics and history and has zero interest in learning on the job. We live in frightening times. Some of you with kids and grandkids might see them fighting in places we never imagined against nations with millions of soldiers to sacrifice for their cause.
Then I thought about Donnie, and how his supporters don't care that their guy knows nothing about geopolitics and history and has zero interest in learning on the job. We live in frightening times. Some of you with kids and grandkids might see them fighting in places we never imagined against nations with millions of soldiers to sacrifice for their cause.
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It appears Trump did press him, and in a stunning move Putin said it did not happen.
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Turtleneck wrote:It appears Trump did press him, and in a stunning move Putin said it did not happen.
Putin asked for proof.
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BREAKING: Russian foreign minister says Trump accepted Putin's assurances that Russia didn't meddle in the U.S. election.
I am glad that is settled.
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BREAKING: Russian foreign minister says Trump accepted Putin's assurances that Russia didn't meddle in the U.S. election.
I am glad that is settled.
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BREAKING: Russia's foreign minister says Trump and Putin discussed cybersecurity and agreed to set up a joint group to address it.
Hi Mr. Fox, welcome to the henhouse.
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BREAKING: Russia's foreign minister says Trump and Putin discussed cybersecurity and agreed to set up a joint group to address it.
Hi Mr. Fox, welcome to the henhouse.
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Turtleneck wrote:The Associated PressVerified account
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BREAKING: Russian foreign minister says Trump accepted Putin's assurances that Russia didn't meddle in the U.S. election.
I am glad that is settled.
Is this what Goose meant when he said Trump was getting tough on Russia?
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Turtleneck wrote:AP PoliticsVerified account
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BREAKING: Russia's foreign minister says Trump and Putin discussed cybersecurity and agreed to set up a joint group to address it.
Hi Mr. Fox, welcome to the henhouse.
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Turtleneck wrote:The Associated PressVerified account
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BREAKING: Russian foreign minister says Trump accepted Putin's assurances that Russia didn't meddle in the U.S. election.
I am glad that is settled.
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Jim SciuttoVerified account @jimsciutto 29m29 minutes ago
WH counters that Trump did NOT accept Putin's denial of election meddling, @Acosta reports
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Sharp difference b/t Tillerson's & Lavrov's versions of how Trump raised election meddling requires clarification from WH. Will we get it?
WH counters that Trump did NOT accept Putin's denial of election meddling, @Acosta reports
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Sharp difference b/t Tillerson's & Lavrov's versions of how Trump raised election meddling requires clarification from WH. Will we get it?
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Turtleneck wrote:Jim SciuttoVerified account @jimsciutto 29m29 minutes ago
WH counters that Trump did NOT accept Putin's denial of election meddling, @Acosta reports
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Sharp difference b/t Tillerson's & Lavrov's versions of how Trump raised election meddling requires clarification from WH. Will we get it?
Why even ask.
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We now see the problem with a president who is a pathological liar. When it's his word versus even Putin's we don't know who to believe.
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We now see the problem with a president who is a pathological liar. When it's his word versus even Putin's we don't know who to believe.
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Nikki Haley, U.S. Ambassador to the U.N.: "Everybody knows that Russia meddled in our elections."
Donald J. Trump, President of the United States of America: "I think it was Russia, but I think it was probably other people and/or countries, and I see nothing wrong with that statement. Nobody really knows. Nobody really knows for sure."
Donald J. Trump, President of the United States of America: "I think it was Russia, but I think it was probably other people and/or countries, and I see nothing wrong with that statement. Nobody really knows. Nobody really knows for sure."
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DWags wrote:Turtleneck wrote:AP PoliticsVerified account
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BREAKING: Russia's foreign minister says Trump and Putin discussed cybersecurity and agreed to set up a joint group to address it.
Hi Mr. Fox, welcome to the henhouse.
Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin on Sunday said he thinks it is a "significant accomplishment" that President Trump talked with Russian President Vladimir Putin about forming a cybersecurity unit.
During an interview on ABC's "This Week," Mnuchin said he thinks this is a "very important step forward."
"What we want to make sure is that we coordinate with Russia, that we're focused on cybersecurity together, that we make sure that they never interfere in any Democratic elections or conduct any cybersecurity," he said.
"And this is like any other strategic alliance, whether we're doing military exercises with our allies or anything else. This is about having capabilities to make sure that we both fight cyber together, which I think is a very significant accomplishment for President Trump."
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/341169-mnuchin-discussion-with-russia-about-cybersecurity-partnership
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Never mind folks.
Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump 23m23 minutes ago
The fact that President Putin and I discussed a Cyber Security unit doesn't mean I think it can happen. It can't-but a ceasefire can,& did!
Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump 23m23 minutes ago
The fact that President Putin and I discussed a Cyber Security unit doesn't mean I think it can happen. It can't-but a ceasefire can,& did!
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We have a President who will put Russia ahead of US election integrity but integrity and Trump aren't familiar companions.
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David Marcus @BlueBoxDave 35m35 minutes ago
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I apologize for the miracle on ice. That was wrong of us. We won't do it again, you like me? Right? Right?!
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They talked about fantasy football and GreenWay's browser history.
Ian Bremmer: Trump, Putin held second informal meeting at G-20
President Trump held a second, informal meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin on the sidelines of the Group of 20 summit in Hamburg earlier this month, according to Ian Bremmer, the president of the international consulting firm Eurasia Group.
The meeting took place during the G-20 heads of state dinner, according to Bremmer, hours after Trump's formal bilateral sit-down with Putin.
In that conversation, Trump spoke with the Russian leader for roughly an hour, joined only by Putin's translator. The meeting had previously gone without mention by the White House.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/342589-ian-bremmer-trump-and-putin-held-second-informal-meeting-during-g-20
Ian Bremmer: Trump, Putin held second informal meeting at G-20
President Trump held a second, informal meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin on the sidelines of the Group of 20 summit in Hamburg earlier this month, according to Ian Bremmer, the president of the international consulting firm Eurasia Group.
The meeting took place during the G-20 heads of state dinner, according to Bremmer, hours after Trump's formal bilateral sit-down with Putin.
In that conversation, Trump spoke with the Russian leader for roughly an hour, joined only by Putin's translator. The meeting had previously gone without mention by the White House.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/342589-ian-bremmer-trump-and-putin-held-second-informal-meeting-during-g-20
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