LeBron vs. Jordan

Punisher98 wrote:

Yeah sure.

In about 50 less games Lebron has more points, blocks and assists than Bird did in his entire career. Steals will be close, Bird a slight edge in rebounds.

Lebron will have as many titles as Bird after he wins this year (3 to 3) and already has more MVP (4 to 3)

Punisher98 wrote:

  Not a chance in hell!

steveschneider wrote:

Bird played the game like a man. Never saw him getting carried off the floor in a championship game.

Better free throw shooter, saw the floor better than Lebron, better 3pt shooter, tougher player and dominated in a far more physical era of the NBA. Could Lebron handle the physical play back then? I dunno. I think Lebron could be thrown off his game easily by the tough hard fouls that would have sent him to the floor every time he went to the lane.

Also, I'd counter that Lebron put up most of those numbers in a very weak and diluted league. The regular season just isn't as grueling or as physical as it used to be.

Punisher98 wrote:

Then you would be out of a job as a GM very quickly.

Donjuanmc wrote:

Oh I see. You're one of those guys. The difference between mj and Kobe vs lebron is that mj and Kobe can make a team great just by themselves. Lebron can take a good team and take them over the top but I doubt we'll ever see him put next to a couple decent role players and continue to win championships. Does everyone forget d wade was winning championships in Miami without lebron?

Giant Moose wrote:
Depends. I'd take Bird in his first several years (give or take 8 years or so) over LeBron any day of the week. However, if we are going full career, LeBron is who I pick. Bird just fell apart too soon and was kind of sad to see even though I never liked him or the Celts.

Donjuanmc wrote:

Oh I see. You're one of those guys. The difference between mj and Kobe vs lebron is that mj and Kobe can make a team great just by themselves. Lebron can take a good team and take them over the top but I doubt we'll ever see him put next to a couple decent role players and continue to win championships. Does everyone forget d wade was winning championships in Miami without lebron?

NigelUno wrote:Colin Cowherd was discussing this yesterday, and in the interest of fast paced social media/internet/message board timeliness...I am running a poll today.

Punisher98 wrote:

So Shaq and Scottie don't count now right? How has Kobe been faring the past few years?

Wade won one ring without Lebron and he wouldn't have sniffed one again without LeBron. LBJ is about to have three at 29, he will end up with 5+.

Also Phil Jackson may have had a little to do with all of those titles right. Mike Brown and Eric Spolestra?   

Punisher98 wrote:

The cramps thing yeah I'll give you somewhat, but if you've never had cramps during a contest its a lot more debilitating than you think.

Bird a better free throw shooter and shooter overall? Yep I'll give you that too. Bird "saw the floor better" is really nothing more than your opinion. Lebron averages a full assist per game more for his career than Bird did. Out of a possible 902 games since he's joined the league Lebron has played in 842, so not sure again there what your evidence is.

I would also argue too that saying that the league was "better" in Bird's era than it is now is in my opinion pretty silly. These days the NBA has tons of international players, guys leaving earlier, salary caps etc.

Not to mention, Bird had Robert Parrish, Kevin McHale and Dennis Johnson on his teams. Three HOF players. Who on Cleveland or Miami did LBJ play with that is a HOF player? MAYBE Wade and that's a big MAYBE

steveschneider wrote:


Who was more clutch?  Game 7 of the series, down by 2 time is running out. Who would you rather have the ball?  Larry "Legend" Bird.

NigelUno wrote:

Did Jordan make the Wizards great?

steveschneider wrote:


Who was more clutch?  Game 7 of the series, down by 2 time is running out. Who would you rather have the ball?  Larry "Legend" Bird.

Donjuanmc wrote:

Good points. Don't take offense. I don't care that you like to suck his dick so much it just seems like you've only been watching basketball for 5 years

SpartanDawgs265 wrote:

Lebron is the best player ever. He has the most 25 5 5 games in playoff history ALREADY.  He has gotten to 4 straight finals (something pussy jordan could never do, don't say well he went to suck dick at baseball because he sucked when he got back).  Lebron has never lost in the first round of the playoffs, something jordan did do.  Lebron and shaq are the only players to grab 35 points and 10 boards in the finals. Jordan had a better supporting cast than james and jordan would have lost with the heat.  Lets not forget jordan sucked balls at the end of his career because he was the one trick pony he always was. Lebron has more championships at the same age, more MVPS, and better all around stats (no not just because he played more games, he has better averages too) and is the greatest of all time at such a young age.  Lebron is the rarest thing to ever grace planet earth and he is the greatest of all time. The legacy continues to build, lets not forget everybody hated Mohammed ali during his career too.  America has a problem with hating the greatest of all time and they usually relent years after their career is over.  You keep hating on the greatest of all time and lebron keeps winning.  Bitches. # 3peat


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Donjuanmc wrote:

Maybe if he wasn't an old man and injured most the time he was with them he would have. In ten years is lebron even going to be on the court?

Donjuanmc wrote:

Maybe if he wasn't an old man and injured most the time he was with them he would have. In ten years is lebron even going to be on the court?

Punisher98 wrote:

Ah yes, the standard Lebron-hater response. "Quit sucking his dick"   

I gave you stats and fair responses. I grew up watching MJ and am a Bulls Fan so I think I'm being somewhat objective here.

Donjuanmc wrote:

Hey man I was supporting your right to suck his dick. Don't put words in my mouth. I love the kid but to compare him to Jordan, who played against a # of all timers to win his titles is just not fair. Lebron and maybe Durant are the only guys from this era of NBA players that were still going to be arguing over in 20 years

Donjuanmc wrote:

Hey man I was supporting your right to suck his dick. Don't put words in my mouth. I love the kid but to compare him to Jordan, who played against a # of all timers to win his titles is just not fair. Lebron and maybe Durant are the only guys from this era of NBA players that were still going to be arguing over in 20 years

NigelUno wrote:

Who did Jordan beat to win NBA titles?

He couldn't beat the best Pistons teams.  

SpartanDawgs265 wrote:

He has gotten to 4 straight finals (something pussy jordan could never do, don't say well he went to suck dick at baseball because he sucked when he got back).

Spartan Punk wrote:
Jordan won 3 more titles after coming back from baseball. Really shows how much you know.

Jordan probably would have won 8 titles in a row if he didn't leave the NBA for 2 years.

SpartanDawgs265 wrote:

Durant? GTFO dumb ass. Durant is going to be the next barkley and malone. As Frank Vogel coach of the pacers said, they are stuck in the new better jordan era. Durant is not winning shit ever and he will never be talked about as the GOAT. Durant will fall into the same category of players we feel bad for that had to play in lebron and jordans era.

Donjuanmc wrote:

Hey man I was supporting your right to suck his dick. Don't put words in my mouth. I love the kid but to compare him to Jordan, who played against a # of all timers to win his titles is just not fair. Lebron and maybe Durant are the only guys from this era of NBA players that were still going to be arguing over in 20 years

Donjuanmc wrote:

Thanks for proving my point that the second best player in the league is still just a bum

Donjuanmc wrote:

Thanks for proving my point that the second best player in the league is still just a bum

SpartanDawgs265 wrote:

Yea a bum compared to the greatest ever, I would take durant over jordan. Jordan was a career 32 percent 3 point shooter and was a ball hog piece of shit.  Where did every one get he was an awesome shooter, lebron and durant are way better shooters and I would not hesitate to take durant over jordan (if lebron was not available) if I was starting a team.

SpartanDawgs265 wrote:

Yea a bum compared to the greatest ever, I would take durant over jordan. Jordan was a career 32 percent 3 point shooter and was a ball hog piece of shit.  Where did every one get he was an awesome shooter, lebron and durant are way better shooters and I would not hesitate to take durant over jordan (if lebron was not available) if I was starting a team. Put lebron  on mj's bulls, they would have won 15 titles. Jordan had trouble winning with future hall of famers for a long time and lebron is doing more with way less. Hell he is the leading rebounder on the team, if lebron had rodman there would be no point in even playing the game.

Punisher98 wrote:



Why so he could brick a wide open three like he did against the Lakers?

SpartanDawgs265 wrote:

Yea a bum compared to the greatest ever, I would take durant over jordan. Jordan was a career 32 percent 3 point shooter and was a ball hog piece of shit.  Where did every one get he was an awesome shooter, lebron and durant are way better shooters and I would not hesitate to take durant over jordan (if lebron was not available) if I was starting a team. Put lebron  on mj's bulls, they would have won 15 titles. Jordan had trouble winning with future hall of famers for a long time and lebron is doing more with way less. Hell he is the leading rebounder on the team, if lebron had rodman there would be no point in even playing the game.

Punisher98 wrote:

OK now you're just going full blown retard. LBJ is a career 34% 3PFG shooter, that is a small aspect of the game. (BTW, Jordan was 33% to Durant's 37%. Not a big difference)

Jordan was one of the most clutch players of all time, no disputing that. Also a much better defender than Durant. Durant might get 1-2 rings his entire career and I don't think he'll be even in the top 10 of all time.

sprtnbrn wrote:

Lebron vs Jordan is a legitimate debate. If you would take Durant over Jordan, you're either directly related to him or on some really strong drugs.

SpartanDawgs265 wrote:

Umm yea thats a big difference, when your hailed as the greatest ever because you were such a great shooter.  Durant has had 50-40-90 seasons, Lebron has shot 40 percent from 3  the past 2 years.  Jordan was a worst defender and shooter than lebron. Lebron is a better rebounder, better at facilitating the offense and better team mate.  This is a no brainer, Lebron better than jordan.  Even put durant on MJs bulls and they win 6 titles.  Durant is a 50-40-90 guy something jordan could never even dream of.  Learn your stats dumb ass.

SpartanDawgs265 wrote:

Put durant on mj's bulls, they win 6 titles.  MJ had the greatest team ever and MJ dick suckers act like he was the reason they won all the titles. Lebron proves he is the GOAT by winning with way less.  Jordan would have never led the cavs to the nba finals EVER.  Jordan dick suckers are so delusional now and act like he had zero flaws.  He was a terrible 3 point shooter, took way to many gambles on defense which killed the team and was a terrible team mate.