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Post by Nordic Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 14:20

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13pts and 45.5% from FG. Averages 17.4 & 67% with a shit ton of games over 75% FG. Only vs Iowa (9 & 28.5%) & Duke (13 & 44.4%) has he had a worse stat line. I didn't see those games, but I did see the frustration on his face last night  (and he punched Mady in the back of the head).  If you want to Nigel this shit up on the definition of dominated, do it on tGreenway's show. He got his ass handed to him last night (and last year at the Brez).

Kofi was frustrated.  He played 24 minutes.  Bingham played 12 (I'd guess 8 of those were with Kofi on the floor).  

Pretty sure Bingham fouled Kofi 3 times.

So, if Bingham is responsible for Kofi missing FTs, then yeah..."dominated".

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Post by kingstonlake Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 14:21

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kingstonlake wrote:Steve I think you should cool your jets a little on the "second coming of Watts" take is all I'm saying. He had a decent game last night. The previous four weren't anything to write home about. If your bar of success is being better than Hoggard and Loyer...... He still struggles mightily at point. And I'm pretty sure Izzo took the ball out of his hands down the stretch.

I'm all for getting the ball in Henry's hands at the end of the game but I also want Rocket on the floor at the end as well. Leading up to that part of the game Rocket is better than the other two.

Also, his D is better than the other two.

I think we both agree that Watts should aspire to be a better player than Hoggard and Loyer.
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Post by NigelUno Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 14:30

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Kofi was frustrated.  He played 24 minutes.  Bingham played 12 (I'd guess 8 of those were with Kofi on the floor).  

Pretty sure Bingham fouled Kofi 3 times.

So, if Bingham is responsible for Kofi missing FTs, then yeah..."dominated".

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Post by InTenSity Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 14:50

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Nordic wrote:BTW that is two years in a row Bingham has dominated Cockburn at the Brez. He was definitely frustrated with Bingham swatting shots and Sissko's physicality. Need more of that against the other dominate bigs in our conference.

Cockburn is physically imposing, but he doesn't seem particularly skilled to me, and I don't remember him passing a single time. I was not impressed with him.
Cockburn has 2 assists....in B1G play this year.
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Post by NigelUno Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 14:54

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Cockburn is physically imposing, but he doesn't seem particularly skilled to me, and I don't remember him passing a single time. I was not impressed with him.
Cockburn has 2 assists....in B1G play this year.

Pretty sure both of those were on missed dunks that bounced out to Frazier for wide open 3s.
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Post by Nordic Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 14:55

Steve, second time thread caller, long time listener. What seed do you think MSU will get?
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Post by steveschneider Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 15:00

Nordic wrote:Steve, second time thread caller, long time listener. What seed do you think MSU will get?

A few years ago Syracuse got in and everyone was complaining about some other school that got hosed. My answer is whatever number seed they got sounds about right. If we go on a big run to close out the regular season and do some unbelievable shit probably even better.
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Post by steveschneider Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 15:08

Nordic, what's your take?
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Post by Cameron Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 15:14

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Cockburn is physically imposing, but he doesn't seem particularly skilled to me, and I don't remember him passing a single time. I was not impressed with him.
Cockburn has 2 assists....in B1G play this year.
He's ten times the black hole Nick Ward ever was, and that's saying something. Ward was looking to score, but he eventually figured out how to pass out of a double team. Cockburn isn't even fazed by a triple team. It can't be fun to play with a guy like that.
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Post by NigelUno Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 15:31

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Nordic wrote:Steve, second time thread caller, long time listener. What seed do you think MSU will get?

A few years ago Syracuse got in and everyone was complaining about some other school that got hosed. My answer is whatever number seed they got sounds about right. If we go on a big run to close out the regular season and do some unbelievable shit probably even better.

Was that the year Syracuse beat us?

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Post by steveschneider Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 15:37

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A few years ago Syracuse got in and everyone was complaining about some other school that got hosed. My answer is whatever number seed they got sounds about right. If we go on a big run to close out the regular season and do some unbelievable shit probably even better.

Was that the year Syracuse beat us?

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I think that was actually. Wasn't there a more recent one?
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Post by NigelUno Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 15:40

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Cockburn has 2 assists....in B1G play this year.
He's ten times the black hole Nick Ward ever was, and that's saying something. Ward was looking to score, but he eventually figured out how to pass out of a double team. Cockburn isn't even fazed by a triple team. It can't be fun to play with a guy like that.

He pulls down 10 boards/game. Ayo and Frazier get plenty of shots. Plus makes it easier for for guys to drive the lane. Defenders can't leave Kofi or guys just dish it off and he dunks it. Gets other team in foul trouble.

More positives than negatives.
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Post by Cameron Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 17:50

You're clearly in love with him. If I played with a guy who literally always shot it when you passed it to him, even when triple teamed, I'd stop passing it to him.
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Post by NigelUno Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 17:57

Cameron wrote:You're clearly in love with him. If I played with a guy who literally always shot it when you passed it to him, even when triple teamed, I'd stop passing it to him.

Do you play on a Top 5 team? With a guy who leads your league in rebounding and shoots 68% because all his shots are dunks or 2 feet from the basket? Who also opens up the lane for you to drive at will? And sets monster ball screens?
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Post by Other Teams Pursuing That Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 17:59

Nordic wrote:Steve, second time thread caller, long time listener. What seed do you think MSU will get?

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Post by steveschneider Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 18:22

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Nordic wrote:Steve, second time thread caller, long time listener. What seed do you think MSU will get?

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Reading that I really could get used to doing a sports radio show. Greenway can you bump that thread?
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Post by Cameron Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 18:22

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Cameron wrote:You're clearly in love with him. If I played with a guy who literally always shot it when you passed it to him, even when triple teamed, I'd stop passing it to him.

Do you play on a Top 5 team?  With a guy who leads your league in rebounding and shoots 68% because all his shots are dunks or 2 feet from the basket?  Who also opens up the lane for you to drive at will?  And sets monster ball screens?
Get off the guy's jock, Nigel, it's getting creepy.
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Post by steveschneider Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 18:32

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Do you play on a Top 5 team?  With a guy who leads your league in rebounding and shoots 68% because all his shots are dunks or 2 feet from the basket?  Who also opens up the lane for you to drive at will?  And sets monster ball screens?
Get off the guy's jock, Nigel, it's getting creepy.

What do you think about our PG situation and my take on Rocket Watts?
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Post by Cameron Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 18:53

Rocket is better than Loyer or Hoggard, most of the time. Hoggard shows occasional flashes and is probably getting about the right amount of minutes, Loyer probably should only get garbage time minutes once he's healthy again. I think you're getting a little too excited for the "second coming" of Rocket based off about 1.5 solid games, but if he keeps it up, this team can win some games. This isn't a great shooting team, so we need as many scorers as we can get, and Rocket ain't shy about getting shots up.
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Post by steveschneider Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 18:58

Cameron wrote:Rocket is better than Loyer or Hoggard, most of the time. Hoggard shows occasional flashes and is probably getting about the right amount of minutes, Loyer probably should only get garbage time minutes once he's healthy again. I think you're getting a little too excited for the "second coming" of Rocket based off about 1.5 solid games, but if he keeps it up, this team can win some games. This isn't a great shooting team, so we need as many scorers as we can get, and Rocket ain't shy about getting shots up.

I think his improved play makes the team better so much better tough. It's not just his stat line it's everyone around him. He changes the floor dynamic when he's out there. When Loyer is running it seems like the other team is at a decisive advantage at both ends of the floor.
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Post by kingstonlake Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 19:18

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Cameron wrote:Rocket is better than Loyer or Hoggard, most of the time. Hoggard shows occasional flashes and is probably getting about the right amount of minutes, Loyer probably should only get garbage time minutes once he's healthy again. I think you're getting a little too excited for the "second coming" of Rocket based off about 1.5 solid games, but if he keeps it up, this team can win some games. This isn't a great shooting team, so we need as many scorers as we can get, and Rocket ain't shy about getting shots up.

I think his improved play makes the team better so much better tough. It's not just his stat line it's everyone around him. He changes the floor dynamic when he's out there. When Loyer is running it seems like the other team is at a decisive advantage at both ends of the floor.

The best way Watts can help this team is to find a way to distribute the ball better. Until he does that, while running the point, he's not helping really. He's not the shooter Langford or Brown are, and the all around player Henry is. He's better at basketball than Loyer is and probably marginally better at the point than Hog is. But he can't fill the roles Brown, Langford, or Henry fill. He needs to be better at PG basketball to help this team.


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Post by Nordic Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 19:24

steveschneider wrote:Nordic, what's your take?

Steve, I called my take in at 1:03pm today, do you remember me?
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Post by kingstonlake Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 19:29

Nordic wrote:
steveschneider wrote:Nordic, what's your take?

Steve, I called my take in at 1:03pm today, do you remember me?

Your cell connection was spotty. Did you call back?
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Post by steveschneider Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 19:38

I have a hot take for the listeners. I think Tom Izzo is going to fuck Juwan Howard’s shit up twice.
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Post by NigelUno Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 20:11

Cameron wrote:
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Do you play on a Top 5 team?  With a guy who leads your league in rebounding and shoots 68% because all his shots are dunks or 2 feet from the basket?  Who also opens up the lane for you to drive at will?  And sets monster ball screens?
Get off the guy's jock, Nigel, it's getting creepy.

Cameron surrenders.

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Post by Nordic Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 22:04

Great show today. What topic is on tap for tomorrow?
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Post by steveschneider Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 22:08

Nordic wrote:Great show today. What topic is on tap for tomorrow?

I feel like Dwags has a good show going right now.
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Post by Nordic Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 22:14

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Nordic wrote:Great show today. What topic is on tap for tomorrow?

I feel like Dwags has a good show going right now.

It is a nice segway from your show.  Kind of like Wojo following Valenti. Wojo is entertaining and lovable, but the real hard hitting sports talk happens on the Valenti show.
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Post by Cameron Wed 24 Feb 2021 - 22:55

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Get off the guy's jock, Nigel, it's getting creepy.

Cameron surrenders.

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Surrenders what? Did I say he was bad? No, I said I wasn't impressed by him and he doesn't seem fun to play with. Both of those things are still true, so I'm not sure what you think you've won here. It's also not clear to me why you need to go to bat so hard for this guy, but nothing you do makes sense until I remember your condition.
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Post by NigelUno Thu 25 Feb 2021 - 7:40

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Cameron surrenders.

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Surrenders what? Did I say he was bad? No, I said I wasn't impressed by him and he doesn't seem fun to play with. Both of those things are still true, so I'm not sure what you think you've won here. It's also not clear to me why you need to go to bat so hard for this guy, but nothing you do makes sense until I remember your condition.

I'm just explaining basketball to you. You seem to have trouble understanding how it works.

Hope that makes sense.
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Post by Cameron Thu 25 Feb 2021 - 11:19

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Surrenders what? Did I say he was bad? No, I said I wasn't impressed by him and he doesn't seem fun to play with. Both of those things are still true, so I'm not sure what you think you've won here. It's also not clear to me why you need to go to bat so hard for this guy, but nothing you do makes sense until I remember your condition.

I'm just explaining basketball to you.  You seem to have trouble understanding how it works.  

Hope that makes sense.
What, exactly, did you explain to me? That an offensive post player who literally never passes inevitably draws defensive attention? Ground breaking stuff there, Nigel. Maybe you should be coaching our team instead of Izzo.
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Post by steveschneider Thu 25 Feb 2021 - 11:26

Cameron wrote:
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I'm just explaining basketball to you.  You seem to have trouble understanding how it works.  

Hope that makes sense.
What, exactly, did you explain to me? That an offensive post player who literally never passes inevitably draws defensive attention? Ground breaking stuff there, Nigel. Maybe you should be coaching our team instead of Izzo.

What's Illinois national ranking? How many fouls did that guy drawn and how many Spartans fouled out trying to defend him? My take is make some damn free throws Illinois.
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Post by steveschneider Fri 26 Feb 2021 - 11:09

Hey Nordic,

After last night I feel even stronger that MSU should be in the tournament. Looks like a legit top 10 team to me and I think the quality of the product will suffer if they aren't in it.

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Post by steveschneider Fri 26 Feb 2021 - 13:18

Going off Graham Couch he has us in and says he feels bad for the 2 seed that has to face us in the second round.
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Post by WhiteBoyHatcher Fri 26 Feb 2021 - 13:37

I wonder what Valenti thinks? I wish I knew. I really value his input. Unfortunately he talked about balls once so I'll never tune in again.
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Post by NigelUno Fri 26 Feb 2021 - 14:23

steveschneider wrote:Going off Graham Couch he has us in and says he feels bad for the 2 seed that has to face us in the second round.

I'll take a 10 seed.
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Post by steveschneider Fri 26 Feb 2021 - 14:32

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:I wonder what Valenti thinks? I wish I knew. I really value his input. Unfortunately he talked about balls once so I'll never tune in again.

I don't know these days I think we are reliant on updates from your insides sources.
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