Police Shooting in Grand Rapids

This is not good.

so... a white cop shoots an unarmed black guy?

shocking.

why do I suspect that, in this case, the racist GOP will "Back The Blue"....(forgetting, of course, that they enjoy beating cops with Confederate flags).

Uh boy.

Unless there is imminent danger or its a known violent suspects, police should not give chase. Its just not worth it to the public.
With that being said- there should be a 1 year minimum sentence for anyone who evades police.

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NumbersDude wrote:Unless there is imminent danger or its a known violent suspects, police should not give chase. Its just not worth it to the public.
With that being said- there should be a 1 year minimum sentence for anyone who evades police.

Pretty sure that there are laws regarding running away from a police officer.

Police officers should not be protected from charges of assault & murder as they now are.

Trapper Gus wrote:

NumbersDude wrote:Unless there is imminent danger or its a known violent suspects, police should not give chase. Its just not worth it to the public.
With that being said- there should be a 1 year minimum sentence for anyone who evades police.

Pretty sure that there are laws regarding running away from a police officer.

Police officers should not be protected from charges of assault & murder as they now are.

Everyone should be subject to the SAME laws. Unfortunately some are above the law.

Straight up execution. Bury that fucker underneath the prison.

I didn't watch the entire thing, just parts, but that looks terrible. Terrible job all around by the cop. Not sure why he jumped to such violence and was so persistent in it.

sεяεηιτλ wrote:I didn't watch the entire thing, just parts, but that looks terrible. Terrible job all around by the cop. Not sure why he jumped to such violence and was so persistent in it.

Me Alpha male....(gorilla noises).

Probably an unpopular opinion but one man is dead because of his stupidity and another man is going to prison for the rest of his life because of his own stupidity

kingstonlake wrote:Probably an unpopular opinion but one man is dead because of his stupidity and another man is going to prison for the rest of his life because of his own stupidity

Simply running away should never be punished by death.

DWags wrote:Worst phrase ever created was “defund the police”. But was the idea to shift some money from buying military type equipment to better training police in these type situations?

Face it, we need some kind of police force. But we somehow have to be Willi g to pay for a well trained civic minded peace force. Ring a cop is a thankless job. I feel bad for the ones who do it for all the right reasons. But I think I’ve said this before: some of my ex football players are/ were Wayne county cops and they went into it with the wrong frame of mind. Those guys are out there.

Police the police
Retrain police
Demilitarize the police

All would be better.

I think we need to eliminate military service as a good qualifier to become a police office. Almost a disqualifier. There should be zero correlation between war and policing.

Motown Spartan wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:Probably an unpopular opinion but one man is dead because of his stupidity and another man is going to prison for the rest of his life because of his own stupidity

Simply running away should never be punished by death.

I agree but he did more than that. Never fight or grab at an officers weapons/weapons.

Motown Spartan wrote:

DWags wrote:Worst phrase ever created was “defund the police”. But was the idea to shift some money from buying military type equipment to better training police in these type situations?

Face it, we need some kind of police force. But we somehow have to be Willi g to pay for a well trained civic minded peace force. Ring a cop is a thankless job. I feel bad for the ones who do it for all the right reasons. But I think I’ve said this before: some of my ex football players are/ were Wayne county cops and they went into it with the wrong frame of mind. Those guys are out there.

Police the police
Retrain police
Demilitarize the police

All would be better.

I think we need to eliminate military service as a good qualifier to become a police office. Almost a disqualifier. There should be zero correlation between war and policing.

I would want to see studies on officers involved in use of force and military background. Part of me suspects those with a military background and therefore more training might actually be the good ones, but I could see it going the other way, too.

kingstonlake wrote:

Motown Spartan wrote:

Simply running away should never be punished by death.

I agree but he did more than that. Never fight or grab at an officers weapons/weapons.

He ran. Cop stopped him with violence. Shit happened. Cop shot a guy in the back of the head.

Cameron wrote:

Motown Spartan wrote:

Police the police
Retrain police
Demilitarize the police

All would be better.

I think we need to eliminate military service as a good qualifier to become a police office. Almost a disqualifier. There should be zero correlation between war and policing.

I would want to see studies on officers involved in use of force and military background. Part of me suspects those with a military background and therefore more training might actually be the good ones, but I could see it going the other way, too.

Fair point. Regardless, this is where deescalation tactics come into play.

I saw stills of the events leading to and including the shooting.

It’s a “What not to do” arrest video.  

Proves that Grand Rapids has hit the big time getting NYT, WAPO, LATimes, USA Today, CNN coverage

And the bone headed policing will cost the city millions in a settlement and increased liability premiums for at least a decade.

kingstonlake wrote:Probably an unpopular opinion but one man is dead because of his stupidity and another man is going to prison for the rest of his life because of his own stupidity

I don’t think that anyone anywhere has suggested that it’s not stupid to run from a cop so I’m not sure where the up front defensiveness of that idea is coming from. I do think there’s an argument that it’s not entirely a rational decision and it’s born a lot out of fear due to cops insisting on constantly murdering people that look like this guy, many of whom did not in fact run.

Cops should be put on an unpaid suspension pending an independent investigation for unbuttoning the button on their holster. I don’t know how you actually determine that, but it’s 2022 I’m sure there’s some science we could figure out. We don’t do anything now until they have already murdered someone, that’s too late. Make them think twice about even touching their gun. If it’s justified to be touching it, then they’ll be fine and they’ll recoup the lost money. They’ve proven time and time again that their decision making skills are not up to snuff, so make that decision point sooner in the event.

Also this is a compromise with those who would disagree with my initial position of take away their guns entirely and lock them in the trunk of their car where the same process could play out.

lemme guess..

the same (very non-racist) patriots who angrily refused to comply to a mask mandate are saying "if he had complied, he'd be alive".

He didn’t perp anything as far as you know, just a quick clarification there. I’d prefer not to use their bullshit language that makes them feel like everyone is their enemy. Apparently his plates didn’t match with the car he was driving- if the car was stolen they would certainly know that by now and would have been more than happy to tell you that.

NumbersDude wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Pretty sure that there are laws regarding running away from a police officer.

Police officers should not be protected from charges of assault & murder as they now are.

Everyone should be subject to the SAME laws. Unfortunately some are above the law.

The combination pf the courts giving the police immunity from prosecution for acts committed while on duty, and often when off duty, combined with the significant amount of police department approved private training courses which train the police to treat the public as though they are the enemy in a quasi military way are major contributors to the continued killings of those the police are suposedly supose to serve and protect by the police.

They were struggling with each other on the ground. It appears at one point the guy had the cops taser. Then the cop got on top of him and fired a shot to kill the guy.

The cop should have never chased him. Stay with the car and call backup. Especially if the guy was on foot.

duffy munn wrote:

NumbersDude wrote:They were struggling with each other on the ground. It appears at one point the guy had the cops taser. Then the cop got on top of him and fired a shot to kill the guy.

The cop should have never chased him. Stay with the car and call backup. Especially if the guy was on foot.

This is what happens when you give a jarhead a gun and impunity

Not here. Stay on topic. Muffy. Another bad choice of words on your part.

You have many bad choice or ignorant post on this thread. Dont ruin it with your endless unprovoked attacks muffy

duffy munn wrote:

NumbersDude wrote:

Not here. Stay on topic. Muffy. Another bad choice of words on your part.

You have many bad choice or ignorant post on this thread. Dont ruin it with your endless unprovoked attacks muffy

How is it off topic? Way too many in law enforcement joined the force because they get a gun and power. Ergo. jarheads.

Jarhead is a term used to describe US Marines. Your weak attempt to derail the topic. Compounded by your ignorant comment about shooting people in the leg.
Its clear that you lack a basic understanding of firearms and the use of deadly force. NOT HERE MUFFY.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:Probably an unpopular opinion but one man is dead because of his stupidity and another man is going to prison for the rest of his life because of his own stupidity

I don’t think that anyone anywhere has suggested that it’s not stupid to run from a cop so I’m not sure where the up front defensiveness of that idea is coming from. I do think there’s an argument that it’s not entirely a rational decision and it’s born a lot out of fear due to cops insisting on constantly murdering people that look like this guy, many of whom did not in fact run.

I never suggested anyone said it wasn't stupid, so there's no defensiveness at all. My opinion was formed from watching the video. Both sides were stupid. One is dead because of it. Another one is going to jail for the rest of his life for it. Both sides showed us all what not to do when pulled over. Some cops are stupid power tripping license to murder assholes. Never give them the opportunity to prove it.

NumbersDude wrote:

duffy munn wrote:

How is it off topic? Way too many in law enforcement joined the force because they get a gun and power. Ergo. jarheads.

Jarhead is a term used to describe US Marines. Your weak attempt to derail the topic. Compounded by your ignorant comment about shooting people in the leg.
Its clear that you lack a basic understanding of firearms and the use of deadly force. NOT HERE MUFFY.

If you have a problem with something he said in another thread towards you, take it back there.

duffy munn wrote:

NumbersDude wrote:

Jarhead is a term used to describe US Marines. Your weak attempt to derail the topic. Compounded by your ignorant comment about shooting people in the leg.
Its clear that you lack a basic understanding of firearms and the use of deadly force. NOT HERE MUFFY.

The cop had the guy on the ground. He didn't need to shoot him at all. So, Mr shoot so kill expert, what was preventing him from aiming the gun somewhere other than the back of his head?

He should have got off the guy. If the guy stood and pointed the taser at him then he could justifiably male the case the guy would render him incapacitated, take his gun and kill him. Shooting him in the back of the head is not an option. At least it shouldn't be.

DWags wrote:Worst phrase ever created was “defund the police”. But was the idea to shift some money from buying military type equipment to better training police in these type situations?

Face it, we need some kind of police force. But we somehow have to be Willi g to pay for a well trained civic minded peace force. Ring a cop is a thankless job. I feel bad for the ones who do it for all the right reasons. But I think I’ve said this before: some of my ex football players are/ were Wayne county cops and they went into it with the wrong frame of mind. Those guys are out there.

Defend the police is just awful. However it was parotted by only a small minority on the left. The damage comes because it allowed an open line of attack by the right wing. It was never a big movement on the left but the right are experts at running around and pretending the whole left wing is for this. For this reason, the largest promotion of this ... movement ... was by the right wing. For a while there, there was always at least one "defend the police" sign at every demonstration. And that was what the right wing media machine showed even though that was one person of many thousands. I would not be surprised if many of those people with signs were right wing plants for exactly this reason, narrative creation that the left is some how against law and order and against police.

kingstonlake wrote:

duffy munn wrote:

The cop had the guy on the ground. He didn't need to shoot him at all. So, Mr shoot so kill expert, what was preventing him from aiming the gun somewhere other than the back of his head?

He should have got off the guy. If the guy stood and pointed the taser at him then he could justifiably male the case the guy would render him incapacitated, take his gun and kill him. Shooting him in the back of the head is not an option. At least it shouldn't be.

But that's not how Jack Reacher would do it, let alone Popeye Doyle and Denzel in training day...

Police mas macho... Must overpower at all costs.

His only hope it's to be charged with a federal crime.