Racist conspiracy theory.... true?

Trapper Gus wrote:This is way too long to read, but I think the author was channeling Bob, so am providing the link anyway.

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2023/2/27/2154976/-Why-we-simply-can-t-have-a-better-country

Trapper Gus wrote:I have maintained for years that there are savant types, who do what they do unconsciously, and I have observered that in my professional activities.

What some on the board pooh-pooh about some of your posts. I celebrate.

P.S. I do keep hoping you will branch out from Goose in your poetry, as I feel I keep pushing the boundaries by myself.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

I'm gonna be honest, I don't deal with a lot of Chinese people.  There's the guy who owns the Chinese restaurant in town.  But he and I are on the outs since I learned that he has a separate menu for white people.  All of the good stuff is on the "other" menu.  Bastard!

Having eaten at various restaurants in China, I can assure you that you don't have the palate for authentic Chinese dishes.  Eating a lobster while it was still alive is one of the many Chinese delicacies I passed on.

edit - he is giving the mass market what it wants.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Having eaten at various restaurants in China, I can assure you that you don't have the palate for authentic Chinese dishes.  Eating a lobster while it was still alive is one of the many Chinese delicacies I passed on.

edit - he is giving the mass market what it wants.

Nope, I went with a friend of Asian decent and she got the "good" menu and ordered for us.  Some of that stuff on there was amazeballs.  Granted I don't think anything on the plate was still alive when it arrived.  She must have spared the poor white guy that.

AP wrote:In 2021, officials released an intelligence report summary that said four members of the U.S. intelligence community believed with low confidence that the virus was first transmitted from an animal to a human, and a fifth believed with moderate confidence that the first human infection was linked to a lab.

AP wrote:While some scientists are open to the lab-leak theory, others continue to believe the virus came from animals, mutated, and jumped into people — as has happened in the past with viruses. Experts say the true origin of the pandemic may not be known for many years — if ever.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Nope, I went with a friend of Asian decent and she got the "good" menu and ordered for us.  Some of that stuff on there was amazeballs.  Granted I don't think anything on the plate was still alive when it arrived.  She must have spared the poor white guy that.

Interesting.  Sounds like you have a court case in your future.

It wasn't that she used the same menu and knew what the "good stuff' was?  (And, btw, was the good menu in English or Chinese?)

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Interesting.  Sounds like you have a court case in your future.

It wasn't that she used the same menu and knew what the "good stuff' was?  (And, btw, was the good menu in English or Chinese?)

The "good" menu was not in English. I asked my friend what she ordered and wanted her to point it out on the "regular" menu for my future reference. ('Cause it was dang delicious!) It wasn't there. We asked the proprietor, and he laughed and said, "Yeah, that's not on the regular menu. " I faked some outrage and laughed. He told me what to ask for in the future.

You can't be giving away all the good stuff to whitey. I get it.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

The "good" menu was not in English. I asked my friend what she ordered and wanted her to point it out on the "regular" menu for my future reference. ('Cause it was dang delicious!) It wasn't there. We asked the proprietor, and he laughed and said, "Yeah, that's not on the regular menu. " I faked some outrage and laughed. He told me what to ask for in the future.

You can't be giving away all the good stuff to whitey. I get it.

Apparently, you don't, and remember, use a "/s" for sarcasm.

You just need to learn to read Hanzi in order to read the "good menu" as you call it. However, the owner has no issue with serving you what you want, so there goes your lawsuit. Let me suggest that even if you could read Hanzi you still wouldn't have known which items were "good" for your tastes and that your friend was very kind in ordering for you, though that is pretty standard in China, the hosting party does the ordering.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Apparently, you don't, and remember, use a "/s" for sarcasm.

You just need to learn to read Hanzi in order to read the "good menu" as you call it.  However, the owner has no issue with serving you what you want, so there goes your lawsuit.  Let me suggest that even if you could read Hanzi you still wouldn't have known which items were "good" for your tastes and that your friend was very kind in ordering for you, though that is pretty standard in China, the hosting party does the ordering.

So now I gotta learn a new language in order to receive equal rights?  I think Trump has a position for you in his immigration cabinet.    Oh, and that's biggly /s

Yeah, my friend is cool.  

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

So now I gotta learn a new language in order to receive equal rights?  I think Trump has a position for you in his immigration cabinet.    Oh, and that's biggly /s

Yeah, my friend is cool.  

How is this an equal rights issue?  The owner is quite willing to serve you whatever you want. I'm guessing he will even provide the menu in Hanzi for you to choose from.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

How is this an equal rights issue?  The owner is quite willing to serve you whatever you want.  I'm guessing he will even provide the menu in Hanzi for you to choose from.

You told me to put /s when I was joshing you, and I did, and you still missed it?!?  You are some kind of a thing, aren't you?

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

You told me to put /s when I was joshing you, and I did, and you still missed it?!? You are some kind of a thing, aren't you?

I'm addressing the "issue" you are trying to sneak into the conversation via your "/s", not the overall "/s" which is about me joining the Trump guys.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

I'm addressing the "issue" you are trying to sneak into the conversation via your "/s", not the overall "/s" which is about me joining the Trump guys.

The whole issue is a /s. You think I give a shit about what my local Chinese take out place offers? Come on, man!

TravelinMan wrote:And not that I want to get into posting every new article that comes out on this, but there ARE more coming...

FBI says China lab leak most likely

And again, I don't really find the debate about whether it happened that way or not to be as interesting as the reactions to said proclamations from then and now.

BBC wrote:FBI Director Christopher Wray has said that the bureau believes Covid-19 most likely originated in a Chinese government-controlled lab.

"The FBI has for quite some time now assessed that the origins of the pandemic are most likely a potential lab incident," he told Fox News.

It is the first public confirmation of the FBI's classified judgement of how the pandemic virus emerged.

Many scientists point out there is no evidence that it leaked from a lab.

And other US government agencies have drawn differing conclusions to the FBI's.

Some of them have said - but with a low level of certainty - that the virus did not start in a lab but instead jumped from animals to humans.

The White House has said there is no consensus across the US government on the origins.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

The whole issue is a /s. You think I give a shit about what my local Chinese take out place offers? Come on, man!

No, I think you "get off" /s on mocking the other equal rights conflicts for businesses, such as Hobby Lobby refusing to comply with the laws regarding providing Health Coverage for females, with your "/s" about this local restaurant.

It is the first public confirmation of the FBI's classified judgement of how the pandemic virus emerged.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

No, I think you "get off" /s on mocking the other equal rights conflicts for businesses, such as Hobby Lobby refusing to comply with the laws regarding providing Health Coverage for females, with your "/s" about this local restaurant.

Trust me, you are putting WAY too much thought into this one.

TravelinMan wrote:

It is the first public confirmation of the FBI's classified judgement of how the pandemic virus emerged.

It is the first public confirmation of the FBI's classified judgement of how the pandemic virus emerged.

Huffington Post wrote:The Energy Department’s finding aligns with that of the FBI, which claimed in 2021 with “moderate confidence” that the virus likely started due to a lab leak in Wuhan, China. Two agencies, including the CIA, are still undecided in their conclusions.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Trust me, you are putting WAY too much thought into this one.

No, I am not allowing you to use the typical right-wing methods of disinformation. I will allow that you have been conditioned into using them and are not aware of what you are doing.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

It is the first public confirmation of the FBI's classified judgement of how the pandemic virus emerged.

I would suggest that you don't use "Fox News", a proven bunch of liars, as a source. just saying.

Huffington Post wrote:The Energy Department’s finding aligns with that of the FBI, which claimed in 2021 with “moderate confidence” that the virus likely started due to a lab leak in Wuhan, China. Two agencies, including the CIA, are still undecided in their conclusions.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/energy-department-covid-lab-leak-theory_n_63fbdeede4b0ecabba9fea9a

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

I would suggest that you don't use "Fox News", a proven bunch of liars, as a source. just saying.



https://www.huffpost.com/entry/energy-department-covid-lab-leak-theory_n_63fbdeede4b0ecabba9fea9a

Who used Fox News?  I took that quote from your quote of the BBC article I posted.

Goddamn you're being thick today.  You OK?

BBC saif Fox News wrote:"The FBI has for quite some time now assessed that the origins of the pandemic are most likely a potential lab incident," he told Fox News.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Who used Fox News?  I took that quote from your quote of the BBC article I posted.

Goddamn you're being thick today.  You OK?

The BBC quoting from a Fox News story.

BBC saif Fox News wrote:"The FBI has for quite some time now assessed that the origins of the pandemic are most likely a potential lab incident," he told Fox News.

The Republican FBI Director fanning the flames on a propaganda network.  I know it sucks for all of us to have to trace every story back to its reporting source but that is how the lemming media works these days.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

The BBC quoting from a Fox News story.



The Republican FBI Director fanning the flames on a propaganda network.  I know it sucks for all of us to have to trace every story back to its reporting source but that is how the lemming media works these days.

But it's not old or rehashed news, because "It is the first public confirmation of the FBI's classified judgement of how the pandemic virus emerged."

TravelinMan wrote:Nice summary article.

Why the Wuhan lab-leak theory is so disputed

But again... why now?  The timing is particularly interesting, I believe.  There was a Michael Crichton book years ago that postulated that communities need a common enemy to thrive, and that with the end of the Cold War, America needed to manufacturer a new rival.  We kind of burned through our Middle Eastern adventures.  Russia is easy to hate, but tough to fear given it's struggles with Ukraine.  Perhaps China is the next great manufactured enemy?

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:Nice summary article.

Why the Wuhan lab-leak theory is so disputed

But again... why now?  The timing is particularly interesting, I believe.  There was a Michael Crichton book years ago that postulated that communities need a common enemy to thrive, and that with the end of the Cold War, America needed to manufacturer a new rival.  We kind of burned through our Middle Eastern adventures.  Russia is easy to hate, but tough to fear given it's struggles with Ukraine.  Perhaps China is the next great manufactured enemy?

The article is probably as even handed as can be done in a short piece.

Regarding the "need for an enemy" verses reality one only needs to read up on what China has been doing to understand that the Chinese threat to the welfare of the citizens of the free world is real.  

(Or for that matter, Russia's threat.  Just because they are second tier to the US, presumably, militarily, does not mean we can ignore that in theory they could destroy the US in 30 minutes)

The Chinese total lack of transparency, probably due to their obsession to control the narrative, regarding the origins of covid is par for the course with their government, who have total control over what the Chinese people read.  Where we all see what they are doing as anti-western governments it is more likely that they are hiding the data from their own people.  Combine that with the extreme difficulty in tracing the origin of any versus is sort of a perfect storm with all sorts of CT's.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

The article is probably as even handed as can be done in a short piece.

Regarding the "need for an enemy" verses reality one only needs to read up on what China has been doing to understand that the Chinese threat to the welfare of the citizens of the free world is real.  

(Or for that matter, Russia's threat.  Just because they are second tier to the US, presumably, militarily, does not mean we can ignore that in theory they could destroy the US in 30 minutes)

The Chinese total lack of transparency, probably due to their obsession to control the narrative, regarding the origins of covid is par for the course with their government, who have total control over what the Chinese people read.  Where we all see what they are doing as anti-western governments it is more likely that they are hiding the data from their own people.  Combine that with the extreme difficulty in tracing the origin of any versus is sort of a perfect storm with all sorts of CT's.

Oh I'm not suggesting that China isn't a problem, but they have been for quite a while.  I'm curious as to why NOW they're being labeled as one.  Bush was busy with other things.  Obama?  Almost nothing.  Trump?  He was an idiot.  Biden's first two years?  Almost nothing.

FP wrote:The United States has waged low-grade economic warfare against China for at least four years now—firing volley after volley of tariffs, export controls, investment blocks, visa limits, and much more. But Washington’s endgame for this conflict has always been hazy. Does it seek to compel specific changes in Beijing’s behavior, or challenge the Chinese system itself? To protect core security interests, or retain hegemony by any means? To strengthen America, or hobble its chief rival? Donald Trump’s scattershot regulation and erratic public statements offered little clarity to allies, adversaries, and companies around the world. Joe Biden’s actions have been more systematic, but long-term U.S. goals have remained hidden beneath bureaucratic opacity and cautious platitudes.

Last Friday, however, a dense regulatory filing from a little-known federal agency gave the strongest hint yet of U.S. intentions. The Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS) announced new extraterritorial limits on the export to China of advanced semiconductors, chip-making equipment, and supercomputer components. The controls, more so than any earlier U.S. action, reveal a single-minded focus on thwarting Chinese capabilities at a broad and fundamental level. Although framed as a national security measure, the primary damage to China will be economic, on a scale well out of proportion to Washington’s cited military and intelligence concerns. The U.S. government imposed the new rules after limited consultation with partner countries and companies, proving that its quest to hobble China ranks well above concerns about the diplomatic or economic repercussions.

GRR Spartan wrote:All the Trump voters who've turned into virulent anti-China Foxbots is really interesting and explains the floating curve of what's acceptable, like deficits, only matters when there is a Democrat in The White House.

Lots of butt hurt folks who have no clue how much they buy wouldn't be affordable to them if it or its components weren't coming from China.