Former US surgeon general went to the ER

Could have put this in tBin, but that place sucks.

A former US surgeon general says he went to the ER for dehydration and ended up with a $5,000 bill. He called the healthcare system 'broken.'

Healthcare system is broken, insurance is flat out evil. Medicare for all is the only even remotely tenable position.

Cameron wrote:Healthcare system is broken, insurance is flat out evil. Medicare for all is the only even remotely tenable position.

The words "for profit" and "healthcare" should never be in same sentence.

Cameron wrote:Healthcare system is broken, insurance is flat out evil. Medicare for all is the only even remotely tenable position.

It's a matter of national security. Anything else where the health and well being of tens of millions of Americans are at severe risk would result in a massive Federal effort. It's not just big business preventing it, because who is a better customer for greedy corporations than the US governement? The military industrial complex is a big money industry with the publicly stated goal of protecting Americans. So let's have a Healthcare Industrial Complex funded by the Federal government.

And, it got shipped to tBin anyway. Too bad. The Bin is where stories/thoughts go to die IMO.

The Pantry wrote:And, it got shipped to tBin anyway. Too bad. The Bin is where stories/thoughts go to die IMO.

It's almost like starting a thread about something highly political leads to it getting moved to the political board.

Wild, I know.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Cameron wrote:Healthcare system is broken, insurance is flat out evil. Medicare for all is the only even remotely tenable position.

It's a matter of national security. Anything else where the health and well being of tens of millions of Americans are at severe risk would result in a massive Federal effort. It's not just big business preventing it, because who is a better customer for greedy corporations than the US governement? The military industrial complex is a big money industry with the publicly stated goal of protecting Americans. So let's have a Healthcare Industrial Complex funded by the Federal government.

Maybe Heathcare providers are concerned that they will be paid only Medicare prices.

The Pantry wrote:And, it got shipped to tBin anyway.  Too bad.  The Bin is where stories/thoughts go to die IMO.

aka my positions are really hard to defend because of who has hijacked my party and I don’t have the balls to say it or do anything about it.

The Pantry wrote:Could have put this in tBin, but that place sucks.

A former US surgeon general says he went to the ER for dehydration and ended up with a $5,000 bill. He called the healthcare system 'broken.'

the fact that he just now found that out is rhe definition of 'privilege'..

Remember Obamacare's public option the Rs killed?

Also, You ever hear a R bitch and moan about how inefficient and bloated govt is?

Why where they so scared?

MiamiSpartan wrote:

The Pantry wrote:And, it got shipped to tBin anyway. Too bad. The Bin is where stories/thoughts go to die IMO.

It's almost like starting a thread about something highly political leads to it getting moved to the political board.

Wild, I know.

They literally whine about everything.

Good thing we have an awesomely amazing governor of Michigan who is squarely in the pocket of insurance and big medical

Signed,
Zurn who remembered propaganda from 8 years ago

MiamiSpartan wrote:

The Pantry wrote:And, it got shipped to tBin anyway.  Too bad.  The Bin is where stories/thoughts go to die IMO.

It's almost like starting a thread about something highly political leads to it getting moved to the political board.  

Wild, I know

Healthcare is a problem on it's own. Neither mine, yours, or anyone elses politics have any control over it.  That's what's wild.

I moved it. Maybe I over thought it. I don’t do a lot of stuff like that but I did this time. If I pulled the trigger too soon I apologize. It’s pretty easy, however, to jump to this board and find the topic. I just thought with free agency today and the BT tournament I’d keep this separate.

Thought you all deserved an explanation. Meant no disrespect Pantry.

DWags wrote:I moved it.   Maybe I over thought it.  I don’t do a lot of stuff like that but I did this time. If I pulled the trigger too soon I apologize.   It’s pretty easy, however, to jump to this board and find the topic.  I just thought with free agency today and the BT tournament I’d keep this separate.  

Thought you all deserved an explanation. Meant no disrespect Pantry.

Thanks for explaining.  No problem.  Don't read tBin often because its generally dripping with politics, which I despise.  Get enough of it at work.

Didn't want the subject getting lost so put it on the main board.  Are visitors to tSwill allowed to read tBin?  

Healthcare, insurance, and pharmaceuticals are huge issues.  I don't consider them political because neither party has made any attempt to reign-in spiraling costs and confusion with the medical system.  It has carte blanc to make up its own terms and charge whatever they want.  Again. neither party is getting in its way.

The healthcare system and the tax code have been getting more complicated every year of my working life.  No one has done anything about either.  Both need major, major overhauls.  Doubt either will happen in my lifetime.

btw..I'll agree with Bob. It's a stupid country.

The Pantry wrote:

DWags wrote:I moved it.   Maybe I over thought it.  I don’t do a lot of stuff like that but I did this time. If I pulled the trigger too soon I apologize.   It’s pretty easy, however, to jump to this board and find the topic.  I just thought with free agency today and the BT tournament I’d keep this separate.  

Thought you all deserved an explanation. Meant no disrespect Pantry.

Thanks for explaining.  No problem.  Don't read tBin often because its generally dripping with politics, which I despise.  Get enough of it at work.

Didn't want the subject getting lost so put it on the main board.  Are visitors to tSwill allowed to read tBin?  

Healthcare, insurance, and pharmaceuticals are huge issues.  I don't consider them political because neither party has made any attempt to reign-in spiraling costs and confusion with the medical system.  It has carte blanc to make up its own terms and charge whatever they want.  Again. neither party is getting in its way.

The healthcare system and the tax code have been getting more complicated every year of my working life.  No one has done anything about either.  Both need major, major overhauls.  Doubt either will happen in my lifetime.

btw..I'll agree with Bob. It's a stupid country.

Well one side has tried. Many times. The otherside prefers it just the way it is and if anything would like to further allow companies to do and charge whatever they want.

But lack of being able to do things doesn’t make it not a political issue bruv.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Well one side has tried. Many times. The otherside prefers it just the way it is and if anything would like to further allow companies to do and charge whatever they want.

But lack of being able to do things doesn’t make it not a political issue bruv.

Believe what you want. Neither side has tried. Obamacare is what it is, but never addressed what the medical system has been charging. The issues it created even worked their way to further complicate the tax code. Like two acid peas in a pod.

The Pantry wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Well one side has tried. Many times. The otherside prefers it just the way it is and if anything would like to further allow companies to do and charge whatever they want.

But lack of being able to do things doesn’t make it not a political issue bruv.

Believe what you want. Neither side has tried. Obamacare is what it is, but never addressed what the medical system has been charging. The issues it created even worked their way to further complicate the tax code. Like two acid peas in a pod.

It is indeed easier to say that no one has willingness to do anything if you want to continue considering yourself a conservative but also believing that something needs to be done. I’ll give you that.

Come on bud. You’re a democratic socialist. You know you are. Deep down. Just come on in, the water is fine. I’ll get you your first membership card.

Obamacare, as I recall, caused the actual costs for Healthcare Insurance to be made more public.

Before then, at least for me, the costs were unknown.

There was an amount deducted from my paycheck, but how much my employer picked up was a mystery.

Also, since we seldomly used hospitals I had no idea what they charged.

As for the former AG's charges, I wonder if those are the retail numbers of the amount the health insurance provided agreed to pay, which are almost always much lower.  If you don't have insurance and pay cash the amounts are huge.

With Obamacare discussions some people became aware of what healthcare coverage costs and were shocked.

It seems like the Heathcare Insurance corporations & the Healthcare providers have been working together to take more and more of everyone's paycheck.  They have too much lobbying power in Washington for consumer groups to be able to counter effectively.

FWIW Biden has finally managed to get Congress to give Medicare & Medicaid the ability to negotiate some drug prices.  It's not much and it has taken like 30 years plus since people started proposing it, but it is something.

On the political side this can be traced back to tSCOTUS, packed with conservative justices, allowing corporations to become people and use that power to buy the politicians.  The founding fathers were well aware of the concern of an all-powerful court but thought they had done what they could to prevent it.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

The Pantry wrote:Believe what you want. Neither side has tried. Obamacare is what it is, but never addressed what the medical system has been charging. The issues it created even worked their way to further complicate the tax code. Like two acid peas in a pod.

It is indeed easier to say that no one has willingness to do anything if you want to continue considering yourself a conservative but also believing that something needs to be done. I’ll give you that.

Come on bud. You’re a democratic socialist. You know you are. Deep down. Just come on in, the water is fine. I’ll get you your first membership card.

Thanks, but don't care to be a card-carrier of political philosophy.

the 'pro-life' side of American politics works extraordinarily hard to keep people from having access to affordable healthcare.

that tells me all I need to know.

The Pantry wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Well one side has tried. Many times. The otherside prefers it just the way it is and if anything would like to further allow companies to do  and charge whatever they want.

But lack of being able to do things doesn’t make it not a political issue bruv.

Believe what you want.  Neither side has tried.  Obamacare is what it is, but never addressed what the medical system has been charging.  The issues it created even worked their way to further complicate the tax code.  Like two acid peas in a pod.

The "public option" would have addressed costs. And everyone would have had access. Rs killed it.

And you know why the tax code sucks... For every rule, there was some asshole cheating or at least pushing the grey area. I worked with an accountant/business owner (and asshole) whos claim to fame was exploiting a special tax rule for the mining industry... He had a rule just for him in the tax code.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:the 'pro-life' side of American politics works extraordinarily hard to keep people from having access to affordable healthcare.

The 'choice' side does not care what is reasonably affordable and ignores the medical industry is raping all of us, just like the pro side.

The Pantry wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:the 'pro-life' side of American politics works extraordinarily hard to keep people from having access to affordable healthcare.

The 'choice' side does not care what is reasonably affordable and ignores the medical industry is raping all of us, just like the pro side.

maybe.

I just find it odd that the "pro-life" christians don't care if people die because of lack of healthcare.

Of course, y'all also celebrate school shootings, the death penalty and think that zygotes are people, so I realize I should keep my expectations low.

but, I get it, without access to high level, affordable healthcare (shout out to my union), I certainly would no longer be here irritating folks. I'd say there are a whole lot of folks not as lucky and fortunate as I am.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

The Pantry wrote:
The 'choice' side does not care what is reasonably affordable and ignores the medical industry is raping all of us, just like the pro side.

maybe.

I just find it odd that the "pro-life" christians don't care if people die because of lack of healthcare.

Of course, y'all also celebrate school shootings, the death penalty and think that zygotes are people, so I realize I should keep my expectations low.

but, I get it, without access to high level, affordable healthcare (shout out to my union), I certainly would no longer be here irritating folks. I'd say there are a whole lot of folks not as lucky and fortunate as I am.

"y'all" is stereotyping.  Have noticed you do that a lot.

I do not celebrate shootings, at schools or anywhere else.  Do not have a membership in the NRA.  Do not own a working gun.  Not a member of the GOP or other political party.  Except for a couple weddings, have not attended church since my youngest was baptized over 27 years ago.

fwiw...I do believe in the death penalty.   Those that take other lives with intent do not deserve to live.  They can not be reformed and shouldn't be allowed to take up space in overloaded prisons.  

With all due respect Bob, you can shove y'all up your ass

Who gets to decide who guilt and who has intent or not pantry?

Not going to change anytime soon.

Some on both sides of the aisles are very well funded by  healthcare companies, Big Pharma and the billionaires who got their billions thru healthcare.

Hospitals mergers drive a bigger wedge to stop health care reform.  Their whole model is market driven.  In West MI we are limited to Corewell, Trinity Health and Metro that’s now affiliated with U of M Health.  Lots of upper management pay cuts and bonus reductions if their income is regulated by Medicare for all.

Same for Big Pharma.  Saw where Ozempic in Canada, the home of Provincial Insurance and negotiated costs, patients pay $180/month.  Come across the border to the US and it’s between $950-$1100 a month which means even with pharmaceutical coverage you are going to hit your deductible in 6 months according to a friend who’s a Type 2 diabetic trying to keep off insulin. In Big Pharma’s case, the last thing they want is a Nationalized health plan like Medicare for all.

Too much money involved going into too many pockets of people who benefit from the current status quo.

The Pantry wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
maybe.

I just find it odd that the "pro-life" christians don't care if people die because of lack of healthcare.

Of course, y'all also celebrate school shootings, the death penalty and think that zygotes are people, so I realize I should keep my expectations low.

but, I get it, without access to high level, affordable healthcare (shout out to my union), I certainly would no longer be here irritating folks. I'd say there are a whole lot of folks not as lucky and fortunate as I am.

"y'all" is stereotyping.  Have noticed you do that a lot.

I do not celebrate shootings, at schools or anywhere else.  Do not have a membership in the NRA.  Do not own a working gun.  Not a member of the GOP or other political party.  Except for a couple weddings, have not attended church since my youngest was baptized over 27 years ago.

fwiw...I do believe in the death penalty.   Those that take other lives with intent do not deserve to live.  They can not be reformed and shouldn't be allowed to take up space in overloaded prisons.  

With all due respect Bob, you can shove y'all up your ass

No worries, dude.

I've been too close to the other side. I will always advocate for life, and against y'all's politics and religion.

GRR Spartan wrote:Not going to change anytime soon.

Some on both sides of the aisles are very well funded by  healthcare companies, Big Pharma and the billionaires who got their billions thru healthcare.

Hospitals mergers drive a bigger wedge to stop health care reform.  Their whole model is market driven.  In West MI we are limited to Corewell, Trinity Health and Metro that’s now affiliated with U of M Health.  Lots of upper management pay cuts and bonus reductions if their income is regulated by Medicare for all.

Same for Big Pharma.  Saw where Ozempic in Canada, the home of Provincial Insurance and negotiated costs, patients pay $180/month.  Come across the border to the US and it’s between $950-$1100 a month which means even with pharmaceutical coverage you are going to hit your deductible in 6 months according to a friend who’s a Type 2 diabetic trying to keep off insulin. In Big Pharma’s case, the last thing they want is a Nationalized health plan like Medicare for all.

Too much money involved going into too many pockets of people who benefit from the current status quo.

As Manchin and Sineme showed it only takes a couple of Democratic Senators along with all the Republicans to shut down reform, no matter how much 96% of the Democratics want it.

Trapper Gus wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote:Not going to change anytime soon.

Some on both sides of the aisles are very well funded by  healthcare companies, Big Pharma and the billionaires who got their billions thru healthcare.

Hospitals mergers drive a bigger wedge to stop health care reform.  Their whole model is market driven.  In West MI we are limited to Corewell, Trinity Health and Metro that’s now affiliated with U of M Health.  Lots of upper management pay cuts and bonus reductions if their income is regulated by Medicare for all.

Same for Big Pharma.  Saw where Ozempic in Canada, the home of Provincial Insurance and negotiated costs, patients pay $180/month.  Come across the border to the US and it’s between $950-$1100 a month which means even with pharmaceutical coverage you are going to hit your deductible in 6 months according to a friend who’s a Type 2 diabetic trying to keep off insulin. In Big Pharma’s case, the last thing they want is a Nationalized health plan like Medicare for all.

Too much money involved going into too many pockets of people who benefit from the current status quo.

As Manchin and Sineme showed it only takes a couple of Democratic Senators along with all the Republicans to shut down reform, no matter how much 96% of the Democratics want it.

Right, maybe we can blue wave this shit. Come fall, make it all about abortion and IVF and pick up some red seats. Then get the real work done. Tax reform, Public funded health care, Gun Control... the whole wish list.

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

As Manchin and Sineme showed it only takes a couple of Democratic Senators along with all the Republicans to shut down reform, no matter how much 96% of the Democratics want it.

Right, maybe we can blue wave this shit. Come fall, make it all about abortion and IVF and pick up some red seats. Then get the real work done. Tax reform, Public funded health care, Gun Control... the whole wish list.

yep.

Dems need to make it about folks who love and respect our wives, daughters, sisters and mothers.

there's more of us than there are of the death-starved 'pro-life' right wing christian republican/libertarians who think filming a woman in her kitchen is the winning ticket in November.

roll that into a blue wave and do what Big Gretch and the freedom-lovin' Dems did in Michigan - let the good times roll. And by "roll", I mean not back to 1950.  

The Pantry wrote:
"y'all" is stereotyping.  Have noticed you do that a lot.

Bob guilty of stereotyping/trolling??? No way!!

Zurn wrote:

The Pantry wrote:
"y'all" is stereotyping.  Have noticed you do that a lot.

Bob guilty of stereotyping/trolling??? No way!!

He should have his Apathy Award revoked.

The Pantry wrote:

Zurn wrote:

Bob guilty of stereotyping/trolling???   No way!!

He should have his Apathy Award revoked.

I second this.

this is a message board.. we can't have people just randomly typing out messages that might hurt the feelings of the fragile and insecure.