A Conservative's Take on the Election

For the record, I had a purely selfish reason that I wanted Harris to win. I work for a company that imports automotive components from LCCs (China). Trump's tariffs will have a devasting effect on our business prospects.

That being said, the Democrat's are responsible for this mess we are heading toward. In no particular order.

1. Biden should have been outed much earlier regarding his mental capacity. It took a debate with Trump to expose him.
2. Harris was annointed the candidate acing out better candidates like Whitmer and Shapiro.
3. The choice of Walz was a disaster. The VP candidate should have come from a blue wall state. Shapiro of PA. would have been perfect.
4. The elites in the Demcratic party totally misjudged the effect of inflation on the middle class inlcuding blacks and Latinos.
5. The immigration issue issue is major concern for many Americans. See the increase in Latino votes for Trump -- especially in south Texas.
6. The abortion issue was over played and Trump successfully deflected it.
7. The dems totally misjudged Trump's character flaws as a campaigne issue. The rhetoric about dictatorship and fascism was not accepted by majority of Americans.
8. The efforts by Democrat prosecutors to take Trump down was viewed as a witch hunt and the corruption of the Atlanta DA didn't help. Trump basically became a Martyr.



In short, the Dems picked the wrong candidate and had a bad message. I doubt they will learn from their mistakes.

spartanwill wrote:For the record, I had a purely selfish reason that I wanted Harris to win. I work for a company that imports automotive components from LCCs (China). Trump's tariffs will have a devasting effect on our business prospects.

That being said, the Democrat's are responsible for this mess we are heading toward. In no particular order.

1. Biden should have been outed much earlier regarding his mental capacity. It took a debate with Trump to expose him.
2. Harris was annointed the candidate acing out better candidates like Whitmer and Shapiro.
3. The choice of Walz was a disaster. The VP candidate should have come from a blue wall state. Shapiro of PA. would have been perfect.
4. The elites in the Demcratic party totally misjudged the effect of inflation on the middle class inlcuding blacks and Latinos.
5. The immigration issue issue is major concern for many Americans. See the increase in Latino votes for Trump -- especially in south Texas.
6. The abortion issue was over played and Trump successfully deflected it.
7. The dems totally misjudged Trump's character flaws as a campaigne issue. The rhetoric about dictatorship and fascism was not accepted by majority of Americans.
8. The efforts by Democrat prosecutors to take Trump down was viewed as a witch hunt and the corruption of the Atlanta DA didn't help. Trump basically became a Martyr.



In short, the Dems picked the wrong candidate and had a bad message. I doubt they will learn from their mistakes.

Not a bad take. I don’t think Biden could have done much more than he did about inflation. It’s below the historical average now, but nobody wants to admit it. You are correct, nothing will change.

Well shit. Look who the first guy was to show up after the original post. Imagine that.

spartanwill wrote:For the record, I had a purely selfish reason that I wanted Harris to win. I work for a company that imports automotive components from LCCs (China). Trump's tariffs will have a devasting effect on our business prospects.

That being said, the Democrat's are responsible for this mess we are heading toward. In no particular order.

1. Biden should have been outed much earlier regarding his mental capacity. It took a debate with Trump to expose him.
2. Harris was annointed the candidate acing out better candidates like Whitmer and Shapiro.
3. The  choice of Walz was a disaster. The VP candidate should have come from a blue wall state. Shapiro of PA. would have been perfect.
4. The elites in the Demcratic party totally misjudged the effect of inflation on the middle class inlcuding blacks and Latinos.
5. The immigration issue issue is major concern for many Americans. See the increase in Latino votes for Trump -- especially in south Texas.
6. The abortion issue was over played and Trump successfully deflected it.
7. The dems totally misjudged Trump's character flaws as a campaigne issue. The rhetoric about dictatorship and fascism was not accepted by majority of Americans.
8. The efforts by Democrat prosecutors to take Trump down was viewed as a witch hunt and the corruption of the Atlanta DA didn't help. Trump basically became a Martyr.



In short, the Dems picked the wrong candidate and had a bad message. I doubt they will learn from their mistakes.

Had to go after trump, he constantly breaks laws but was being shielded by SCOTUS.

I don't think Walz himself was a disaster, they turned him into something that didn't help much by not allowing him to be him.  A lot of people liked him due to his heart to hearts on social media he would do, but he was controlled way too much after he got on the ticket.  People wanted a human and got another robot. In the end someone like Shapiro may have been better as he possibly would have been willing to go off script and take chances, despite what the loser handlers are saying.

kingstonlake wrote:Well shit. Look who the first guy was to show up after the original post. Imagine that.

You can quibble about a couple of OP's points, but he's directionally correct.

TravelinMan wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:Well shit. Look who the first guy was to show up after the original post. Imagine that.

You can quibble about a couple of OP's points, but he's directionally correct.

I agree with most of his list.

Yeah, miss me with "Democrats fault". We all voted for Harris.
We can, and heaven knows, I have, Monday morning quarterback this shit to death.

But here's my list of whose fault it is for Trump being elected.

1. Dumb assholes who voted for a convicted felon, a rapist, a man who lied to us constantly for four years and who are willing to take it again, as long as they can be racist misogynists like he is.

That's it, that's the reason.

spartanwill wrote:For the record, I had a purely selfish reason that I wanted Harris to win. I work for a company that imports automotive components from LCCs (China). Trump's tariffs will have a devasting effect on our business prospects.

That being said, the Democrat's are responsible for this mess we are heading toward. In no particular order.

1. Biden should have been outed much earlier regarding his mental capacity. It took a debate with Trump to expose him.
2. Harris was annointed the candidate acing out better candidates like Whitmer and Shapiro.
3. The choice of Walz was a disaster. The VP candidate should have come from a blue wall state. Shapiro of PA. would have been perfect.
4. The elites in the Demcratic party totally misjudged the effect of inflation on the middle class inlcuding blacks and Latinos.
5. The immigration issue issue is major concern for many Americans. See the increase in Latino votes for Trump -- especially in south Texas.
6. The abortion issue was over played and Trump successfully deflected it.
7. The dems totally misjudged Trump's character flaws as a campaigne issue. The rhetoric about dictatorship and fascism was not accepted by majority of Americans.
8. The efforts by Democrat prosecutors to take Trump down was viewed as a witch hunt and the corruption of the Atlanta DA didn't help. Trump basically became a Martyr.



In short, the Dems picked the wrong candidate and had a bad message. I doubt they will learn from their mistakes.

kingstonlake wrote:Well shit. Look who the first guy was to show up after the original post. Imagine that.

and he's already blame "the mess we are heading toward" on Democrats.

glad to see he got his Russia/mainstream media talking points.

my god, America is a stupid country.

Most of the posters on here probably blame MSU sports teams for losing rather than congratulating the winning team for winning.

Trump ran a negative campaign against Harris to suppress voting for her as Republicans typically do. It worked.

DWags wrote:Yeah, miss me with "Democrats fault". We all voted for Harris.
We can, and heaven knows, I have, Monday morning quarterback this shit to death.

But here's my list of whose fault it is for Trump being elected.

1. Dumb assholes who voted for a convicted felon, a rapist, a man who lied to us constantly for four years and who are willing to take it again, as long as they can be racist misogynists like he is.

That's it, that's the reason.

yeah, but it hurts their fragile feelings and they'd really appreciate it if you didn't say that.

Maybe there were people out there who really saw no tangible difference between Harris and Trump on a few issues. Issues that mattered to them. Does anyone here really think with their big ole brain that Harris was going to stop feeding the beast in Israel?  Hell fucking no she wasn’t. If you believe that then what difference does it make? The only difference is one person needs your vote more than the other. So you make it hurt…. If I’m gonna hurt, you’re gonna hurt.

DWags wrote:Yeah, miss me with "Democrats fault". We all voted for Harris.
We can, and heaven knows, I have, Monday morning quarterback this shit to death.

But here's my list of whose fault it is for Trump being elected.

1. Dumb assholes who voted for a convicted felon, a rapist, a man who lied to us constantly for four years and who are willing to take it again, as long as they can be racist misogynists like he is.

That's it, that's the reason.

That's sort of a broad label for over 70 plus million people who voted for Trump.

Bobby Sak wrote:yeah, but it hurts their fragile feelings and they'd really appreciate it if you didn't say that.

bump.

spartanwill wrote:

DWags wrote:Yeah, miss me with "Democrats fault". We all voted for Harris.
We can, and heaven knows, I have, Monday morning quarterback this shit to death.

But here's my list of whose fault it is for Trump being elected.

1. Dumb assholes who voted for a convicted felon, a rapist, a man who lied to us constantly for four years and who are willing to take it again, as long as they can be racist misogynists like he is.

That's it, that's the reason.

That's sort of a broad label for over 70 plus million people who voted for Trump.

I know, D Wags is entirely wrong. Trump lied to everyone for eight years.

spartanwill wrote:

DWags wrote:Yeah, miss me with "Democrats fault".  We all voted for Harris.  
We can, and heaven knows, I have, Monday morning quarterback this shit to death.  

But here's my list of whose fault it is for Trump being elected.

1. Dumb assholes who voted for a convicted felon, a rapist, a man who lied to us constantly for four years and who are willing to take it again, as long as they can be racist misogynists like he is.  

That's it, that's the reason.  

That's sort of a broad label for over 70 plus million people who voted for Trump.

Its not.  So many of those folks cheered when Trump repeatedly characterized his opposition, half the country, as enemies of the state.  And now those same assholes have the gall to call for unity behind the president, to give him another chance, to stop the hating.  Fuck that shit, I may not show it always IRL but I secretly hate every one of those shit heads for bringing us to this. They wanted the hate, they get the fucking hate. Its on bitches. Let's see how you like a religious theocracy, how you like billionaires running your shit, and how you like all the half the people hating your God damn guts for ignoring every single warning sign and embracing the hate

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:Well shit. Look who the first guy was to show up after the original post. Imagine that.

and he's already blame "the mess we are heading toward" on Democrats.

glad to see he got his Russia/mainstream media talking points.

my god, America is a stupid country.

Trump got approximately the same number of votes as he did in 2020.
Harris got 12 million less than Biden did in 2020.
Yup, blame the Democrats.

Trapper Gus wrote:Most of the posters on here probably blame MSU sports teams for losing rather than congratulating the winning team for winning.

Trump ran a negative campaign against Harris to suppress voting for her as Republicans typically do. It worked.

Hopefully Dems learned a lesson.

PennSpartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:Most of the posters on here probably blame MSU sports teams for losing rather than congratulating the winning team for winning.

Trump ran a negative campaign against Harris to suppress voting for her as Republicans typically do. It worked.

Hopefully Dems learned a lesson.

LOL. It would be a first.

spartanwill wrote:

DWags wrote:Yeah, miss me with "Democrats fault". We all voted for Harris.
We can, and heaven knows, I have, Monday morning quarterback this shit to death.

But here's my list of whose fault it is for Trump being elected.

1. Dumb assholes who voted for a convicted felon, a rapist, a man who lied to us constantly for four years and who are willing to take it again, as long as they can be racist misogynists like he is.

That's it, that's the reason.

That's sort of a broad label for over 70 plus million people who voted for Trump.

For a one reason answer, it pretty much covers it, however.

It is well known that Trump raped Carrol, that Trump committed business fraud, that Trump incited an attempt at an insurrection and that Trump stole Top Secrets and shared them with the Russians.

And 70 million people ignored all that and voted for him.

Trapper Gus wrote:

spartanwill wrote:

That's sort of a broad label for over 70 plus million people who voted for Trump.

For a one reason answer, it pretty much covers it, however.

It is well known that Trump raped Carrol, that Trump committed business fraud, that Trump incited an attempt at an insurrection and that Trump stole Top Secrets and shared them with the Russians.

And 70 million people ignored all that and voted for him.

Trapper, I know you’ve heard me say this before: you have to play with the cards you’re dealt. We knew going in MAGA was going to vote for Trump regardless of what he does.

The question is why did so few vote for Harris.

Motown Spartan wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
Hopefully Dems learned a lesson.

LOL. It would be a first.

As long as there’s old boomer idiots like Penn who’s only political goal is to play identity politics within the party, Dems are fucked. Once those old boomers die off there will be a fighting chance.

PennSpartan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

For a one reason answer, it pretty much covers it, however.

It is well known that Trump raped Carrol, that Trump committed business fraud, that Trump incited an attempt at an insurrection and that Trump stole Top Secrets and shared them with the Russians.

And 70 million people ignored all that and voted for him.

Trapper, I know you’ve heard me say this before: you have to play with the cards you’re dealt.  We knew going in MAGA was going to vote for Trump regardless of what he does.

The question is why did so few vote for Harris.

More people voted for Harris than Biden in the places that matter. #lookitup

DWags wrote:Yeah, miss me with "Democrats fault". We all voted for Harris.
We can, and heaven knows, I have, Monday morning quarterback this shit to death.

But here's my list of whose fault it is for Trump being elected.

1. Dumb assholes who voted for a convicted felon, a rapist, a man who lied to us constantly for four years and who are willing to take it again, as long as they can be racist misogynists like he is.

That's it, that's the reason.

the meltdown here is glorious

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
Trapper, I know you’ve heard me say this before: you have to play with the cards you’re dealt.  We knew going in MAGA was going to vote for Trump regardless of what he does.

The question is why did so few vote for Harris.

More people voted for Harris than Biden in the places that matter. #lookitup

Doesn’t matter. 12 million votes are “missing” somewhere.

PennSpartan wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
More people voted for Harris than Biden in the places that matter. #lookitup

Doesn’t matter. 12 million votes are “missing” somewhere.

the cheats were obviously not on their A game.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
Trapper, I know you’ve heard me say this before: you have to play with the cards you’re dealt.  We knew going in MAGA was going to vote for Trump regardless of what he does.

The question is why did so few vote for Harris.

More people voted for Harris than Biden in the places that matter. #lookitup

I just looked at Pennsylvania. Biden had 100k more votes than Harris.

Green money wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
Doesn’t matter. 12 million votes are “missing” somewhere.

the cheats were obviously not on their A game.

It’s interesting that Trump hasn’t mentioned a word about cheating since election night. Why is that?

PennSpartan wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
More people voted for Harris than Biden in the places that matter. #lookitup

I just looked at Pennsylvania.  Biden had 100k more votes than Harris.

With 2% still outstanding- and there are more places than Pennsylvania. I mean adding those states up. (I think Pennsylvania is the only one that isn’t already clearing Biden’s total by itself, and even that is really really close)

PennSpartan wrote:

Green money wrote:the cheats were obviously not on their A game.

It’s interesting that Trump hasn’t mentioned a word about cheating since election night. Why is that?

his cheats were better than Harris cheats. Payback is a bitch.

Green money wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
It’s interesting that Trump hasn’t mentioned a word about cheating since election night. Why is that?

his cheats were better than Harris cheats. Payback is a bitch.

But why isn’t he talking about it? On Election Day he was screaming “massive fraud!”

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
I just looked at Pennsylvania.  Biden had 100k more votes than Harris.

With 2% still outstanding- and there are more places than Pennsylvania. I mean adding those states up. (I think Pennsylvania is the only one that isn’t already clearing Biden’s total by itself, and even that is really really close)

Same thing in Michigan. Biden with 80k votes more than Harris.

Trapper Gus wrote:Most of the posters on here probably blame MSU sports teams for losing rather than congratulating the winning team for winning.

Trump ran a negative campaign against Harris to suppress voting for her as Republicans typically do. It worked.

Man, I hate to keep dunking on you, but weren't you one of those touting how early voting was showing record turn outs for the Dems?

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:Most of the posters on here probably blame MSU sports teams for losing rather than congratulating the winning team for winning.

Trump ran a negative campaign against Harris to suppress voting for her as Republicans typically do. It worked.

Man, I hate to keep dunking on you, but weren't you one of those touting how early voting was showing record turn outs for the Dems?

Don’t forget GOTV, TM. So far Harris has 12 million less than Joe. Maybe they voted in the wrong country?

PennSpartan wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Man, I hate to keep dunking on you, but weren't you one of those touting how early voting was showing record turn outs for the Dems?

Don’t forget GOTV, TM. So far Harris has 12 million less than Joe. Maybe they voted in the wrong country?

Trump was so good he deported their vote!

spartanwill wrote:
That being said, the Democrat's are responsible for this mess we are heading toward. In no particular order.

1. Biden should have been outed much earlier regarding his mental capacity. It took a debate with Trump to expose him.

This is an example where the MSM is a problem.

Many of Trump's voters knew two years ago that Biden was losing it because Fox was telling them so and it was true and they knew it was true. Lots of things on Fox are true. Lot's of things are true also that they won't even mention.

Now flip that around. MSNBC, closely associated presidential reporters, and Biden's close associates knew Biden was losing it. But they left that out just like Fox leaves stuff out.

Is this discrepancy balanced? No Fox is far worse. But this flaw in our supposedly legitimate news media landscape is one reason why it is worth listening to people who might not agree with us.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:Most of the posters on here probably blame MSU sports teams for losing rather than congratulating the winning team for winning.

Trump ran a negative  campaign against Harris to suppress voting for her as Republicans typically do.  It worked.

Man, I hate to keep dunking on you, but weren't you one of those touting how early voting was showing record turn outs for the Dems?

He was only off by 12 million. That’s more than the population in 44 of the 50 states. Cut him some slack.

Rick Saunders wrote:

spartanwill wrote:
That being said, the Democrat's are responsible for this mess we are heading toward. In no particular order.

1. Biden should have been outed much earlier regarding his mental capacity. It took a debate with Trump to expose him.

This is an example where the MSM is a problem.

Many of Trump's voters knew two years ago that Biden was losing it because Fox was telling them so and it was true and they knew it was true. Lots of things on Fox are true. Lot's of things are true also that they won't even mention.

Now flip that around. MSNBC, closely associated presidential reporters, and Biden's close associates knew Biden was losing it. But they left that out just like Fox leaves stuff out.

Is this discrepancy balanced? No Fox is far worse. But this flaw in our supposedly legitimate news media landscape is one reason why it is worth listening to people who might not agree with us.

It’s not the media’s job to report things that the White House won’t report, Rick. That would look even worse. If Biden’s doctor is telling them he’s fine, they have to go with that. Otherwise we turn into a third world country.

spartanwill wrote:

DWags wrote:Yeah, miss me with "Democrats fault". We all voted for Harris.
We can, and heaven knows, I have, Monday morning quarterback this shit to death.

But here's my list of whose fault it is for Trump being elected.

1. Dumb assholes who voted for a convicted felon, a rapist, a man who lied to us constantly for four years and who are willing to take it again, as long as they can be racist misogynists like he is.

That's it, that's the reason.

That's sort of a broad label for over 70 plus million people who voted for Trump.

Really? Nah it’s a bullseye. And save the “it’s a policy thing”. Fuck that. Which policy? Tariffs? Rounding up brown people who, for the most part work their ass off? Taking the restraints off Russia and Israel so more people can be slaughtered?



Every single person voted for him knowing he was a convicted felon rapist who loves grabbing people by the pussy. All 70 million. Fuck every last one of them.


Democrats fault. We voted for Harris.


Unless all 70 million didn’t know that he was a rapist that he was a Misogynist, That he hates minorities, That he lies constantly. That he tells you, the Haitians are eating dogs and cats and peoples pets.

If they really didn’t know that then they’re complete dumbasses. So either way, fuck them all 70 million of them

Rick Saunders wrote:

spartanwill wrote:
That being said, the Democrat's are responsible for this mess we are heading toward. In no particular order.

1. Biden should have been outed much earlier regarding his mental capacity. It took a debate with Trump to expose him.

This is an example where the MSM is a problem.

Many of Trump's voters knew two years ago that Biden was losing it because Fox was telling them so and it was true and they knew it was true. Lots of things on Fox are true. Lot's of things are true also that they won't even mention.

Now flip that around. MSNBC, closely associated presidential reporters, and Biden's close associates knew Biden was losing it. But they left that out just like Fox leaves stuff out.

Is this discrepancy balanced? No Fox is far worse. But this flaw in our supposedly legitimate news media landscape is one reason why it is worth listening to people who might not agree with us.

Cognitive decline is tricky. One day you can be firing on all cylinders and the next you're pudding for brains. I absolutely believe some reporters who said they met with Uncle Joe and he seemed great. It's the inner circle - those who worked with him on a day to day basis, that are to blame. I believe they were whistling past the graveyard (semi literally) hoping that Joe could get past the election cycle, as they truly believed that 2020 Joe Biden was the best candidate to defeat Trump. The problem is that we are in 2024, and 2024 Joe Biden has pudding for brains. He got outed in the first debate and the rest was history. If they could have pumped him full of drugs and got him to look like the same guy who gave the State of the Union address.... maybe it would have worked? They could have gotten elected, mumbled through inauguration, and then sometime in the late spring declared a health problem and handed it over to Kamala. But the gamble failed and here we are.