Ok, let’s look at it differently, how do the democrats get back the voters Trump chipped away?
Ok, let’s look at it differently, how do the democrats get back the voters Trump chipped away?
Trump picked up a small but significant share of Black and Hispanic voters, and made narrow gains with men and women. As Trump chipped away at parts of the Democratic coalition, Vice President Kamala Harris wasn’t able to make enough of her own gains. Trump succeeded in locking down his traditionally older, white base of voters, and he slightly expanded his margins with other groups into a winning coalition.
https://apnews.com/article/election-harris-trump-women-latinos-black-voters-0f3fbda3362f3dcfe41aa6b858f22d12
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I suggest “From the river to the sea, giving everything away for free”.
Progressives would love it.
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You don’t let this happen under democratic watch
https://itep.org/lapse-of-expanded-child-tax-credit-led-to-unprecedented-rise-in-child-poverty-2023/
You don’t restart student loan payments when you could simply not do that ever and make the other side be the bad guy, even though you clearly want to do it.
You generally stop being Republican lite and actually stand for something other than your own power.
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Travis of the Cosmos wrote:You do things for them instead of doing nothing for them.
You don’t let this happen under democratic watch
https://itep.org/lapse-of-expanded-child-tax-credit-led-to-unprecedented-rise-in-child-poverty-2023/
You don’t restart student loan payments when you could simply not do that ever and make the other side be the bad guy, even though you clearly want to do it.
You generally stop being Republican lite and actually stand for something other than your own power.
I love that student loan idea and you’re right but the owners on the other Party.
We have to start doing that
It sounds like the Republicans are really going to cut, or at least trim it Those of us with pensions, I probably going to get less than we would have
When and if they do that, that’s another thing the Democrats can say look we didn’t do it. Who did it?
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InTenSity wrote:Have Jon Stewart run. Have 3 networks committed to lying to the public and presenting it as the absolute truth. Start a new religion. Find fanatic influences that get men angry. Never reveal your true agenda, deny one exists until you're elected them follow it to a tee.
With Matthew McCounaughey
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InTenSity wrote:Have Jon Stewart run. Have 3 networks committed to lying to the public and presenting it as the absolute truth. Start a new religion. Find fanatic influences that get men angry. Never reveal your true agenda, deny one exists until you're elected them follow it to a tee.
Jon Stewart/Taylor Swift 2028. Dems win in a historic landslide.
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And you guys are correct. Biden was and is too old school about governing. He and the Democratics did a ton of good stuff and then just sat there expecting people to realize they had done it. In the media rich environment that does not work. It has to be blaring out in the media 247.
To Travs point, they should have made it very clear that the reason the child tax credit wasn't renewed was the Republivans would not vote to renew it, 247, instead of letting Manchin torpedo it without a whimper.
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Travis of the Cosmos wrote:You do things for them instead of doing nothing for them.
You don’t let this happen under democratic watch
https://itep.org/lapse-of-expanded-child-tax-credit-led-to-unprecedented-rise-in-child-poverty-2023/
You don’t restart student loan payments when you could simply not do that ever and make the other side be the bad guy, even though you clearly want to do it.
You generally stop being Republican lite and actually stand for something other than your own power.
How would you have stopped that given that two "Independent Senators" blocked it from happening?
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Trapper Gus wrote:There is much to be said for going full fleged populist with progressive programs.
And you guys are correct. Biden was and is too old school about governing. He and the Democratics did a ton of good stuff and then just sat there expecting people to realize they had done it. In the media rich environment that does not work. It has to be blaring out in the media 247.
To Travs point, they should have made it very clear that the reason the child tax credit wasn't renewed was the Republivans would not vote to renew it, 247, instead of letting Manchin torpedo it without a whimper.
They also didn't play the Trump killed the border bill so he could campaign on a fake border crisis card
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This election the Trump campaign and its media partners FoxNews, OAN, Sinclair, Nexstar and iHeart radio with its brigade of Right wing hosts began railing about jobs and economy in January 2021.
Tied into that was jobs, opportunities and money that should be spent helping while folks (“people like us”) code was being taken by immigrants from Latin America and Africa.
Then over 12 months of constant social media like X/twitter and Facebook that immigrants are dangerous gave the 18-30 HS educated white boys a target.
Trump convinced a whole lot of folks but especially the 18-30 and 30-45 year old male & female HS educated demographic the economy stunk despite historical data saying otherwise.
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GRR Spartan wrote:It’s the economy.
This election the Trump campaign and its media partners FoxNews, OAN, Sinclair, Nexstar and iHeart ration with its brigade of Right wing hosts began railing about jobs and economy in January 2021.
Tied into that was jobs, opportunities and money that should be spent helping while folks (“people like us”) code was being taken by immigrants from Latin America and Africa.
Then over 12 months of constant social media like X/twitter and Facebook that immigrants are dangerous gave the 18-30 HS educated white boys a target.
Trump convinced a whole lot of folks but especially the 18-30 and 30-45 year old male & female HS educated demographic the economy stunk despite historical data saying otherwise.
This is why the minority vote makes no sense to me
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If you think Biden was 15 million votes more popular than Obama in 2012 I got a bridge to sell ya.
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Trump, his advisors and his media partners employ two tenets the Josef Goebbels theory of controlling public opinion:
A lie told once remains a lie but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth
If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself.
There are demographic groups who want to believe Trump/Right Wing lies.
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GRR Spartan wrote:aualum06, I'm getting much more cynical since 2016.
Trump, his advisors and his media partners employ two tenets the Josef Goebbels theory of controlling public opinion:
A lie told once remains a lie but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth
If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself.
There are demographic groups who want to believe Trump/Right Wing lies.
I mean I saw a couple comments yesterday that both said Trump doesn't lie, he is just mis portrayed by the media because he is blunt and not very articulate. You can't fight stuff like that
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Stop telling them their opinion doesn’t matter because of their white privilege.
Stop blaming them for the cost of housing and higher education.
Stop promising handouts to younger generations and then not doing it when your had the House, Senate, and Presidency.
Basically, stop insisting people conform to your ideas and leave people the fuck alone and allow them the same space that you are insisting from them.
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Motown Spartan wrote:Stop calling them transphobic when they accidentally use the wrong pronoun.
Stop telling them their opinion doesn’t matter because of their white privilege.
Stop blaming them for the cost of housing and higher education.
Stop promising handouts to younger generations and then not doing it when your had the House, Senate, and Presidency.
Basically, stop insisting people conform to your ideas and leave people the fuck alone and allow them the same space that you are insisting from them.
Spot on.
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Need a blue collar man's man hero type. Thought Fetterman could fill that bill at first, not so much anymore...
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AvgMSUJoe wrote:It's all about the downfall of the D union vote, at least in MI.
Need a blue collar man's man hero type. Thought Fetterman could fill that bill at first, not so much anymore...
Fetterman's brain doesn't work anymore, that's his problem.
Union votes are good. The Dems need to do everything in their power to ensure that there are more unionized voters. Max that shit out. Unions aren't perfect, but they're the best we've got.
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Gotta court the big truck macho goofballs of the world, Not fringe progressive groups.
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AvgMSUJoe wrote:It's all about the downfall of the D union vote, at least in MI.
Need a blue collar man's man hero type. Thought Fetterman could fill that bill at first, not so much anymore...
Biden was the best President for Unions since FDR.
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But Bernie said after the Election that Biden/Harris abandoned the working class and that caused the loss. Who’s right?Trapper Gus wrote:AvgMSUJoe wrote:It's all about the downfall of the D union vote, at least in MI.
Need a blue collar man's man hero type. Thought Fetterman could fill that bill at first, not so much anymore...
Biden was the best President for Unions since FDR.
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A senator or the guy who hasn’t stopped jerking off biden in 5 years? Who’s to say Penn?PennSpartan wrote:But Bernie said after the Election that Biden/Harris abandoned the working class and that caused the loss. Who’s right?Trapper Gus wrote:
Biden was the best President for Unions since FDR.
Biden is a bottom 5 President for not getting out in 2022. Tough titties trapper, thems the breaks sorry you annointed the dude before his term was done. Better luck next time
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Travis of the Cosmos wrote:A senator or the guy who hasn’t stopped jerking off biden in 5 years? Who’s to say Penn?PennSpartan wrote:
But Bernie said after the Election that Biden/Harris abandoned the working class and that caused the loss. Who’s right?
Biden is a bottom 5 President for not getting out in 2022. Tough titties trapper, thems the breaks sorry you annointed the dude before his term was done. Better luck next time
Biden's term will be studied for decades in poly sci as he got more done with less than anyone before him. You are just in denial about that.
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PennSpartan wrote:But Bernie said after the Election that Biden/Harris abandoned the working class and that caused the loss. Who’s right?Trapper Gus wrote:
Biden was the best President for Unions since FDR.
I think Berine is speaking towards hearing them and actually doing the old Clinton I feel your pain. In terms of hard deliveries it's Biden. He or Harris didn't do the whole listening tour.
My only suggestion is that the next campaign hit town halls constantly in those purple districts that go back and forth between Biden and Trump.
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PennSpartan wrote:But Bernie said after the Election that Biden/Harris abandoned the working class and that caused the loss. Who’s right?Trapper Gus wrote:
Biden was the best President for Unions since FDR.
Don't confuse what politicians, especially those jockeying for power, say as reality.
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Bernie is a two time loser running for the nomination. But he did successfully survive a heart attack. And I credit him for driving up mitten sales after the Biden inauguration. Now stock up on tissues. You’re going to need them.Travis of the Cosmos wrote:A senator or the guy who hasn’t stopped jerking off biden in 5 years? Who’s to say Penn?PennSpartan wrote:
But Bernie said after the Election that Biden/Harris abandoned the working class and that caused the loss. Who’s right?
Biden is a bottom 5 President for not getting out in 2022. Tough titties trapper, thems the breaks sorry you annointed the dude before his term was done. Better luck next time
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kingstonlake wrote:Penn is the worst of the electorate. He’s not remotely “democrat” or sharing in any of their core beliefs. He’s an aggrieved, privileged old white guy. Bitter, vindictive, and misogynistic. How else do you explain his post election behavior. We all know he would do it. He thrives on the joy he gets seeing others hurt by the results.
Nah, he is reasonable but his distaste for Berine is a bit much.
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iphones go up? Blame Republicans
Car prices go up? Blame Republicans
Prices of anything go up? Blame Republicans
Call it a Cost of Republican Index. Some catchy name that sticks. Make it a thing.
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msugolfguy wrote:kingstonlake wrote:Penn is the worst of the electorate. He’s not remotely “democrat” or sharing in any of their core beliefs. He’s an aggrieved, privileged old white guy. Bitter, vindictive, and misogynistic. How else do you explain his post election behavior. We all know he would do it. He thrives on the joy he gets seeing others hurt by the results.
Nah, he is reasonable but his distaste for Berine is a bit much.
He has an unhealthy resentment of anyone he thinks might be getting something from the government that he didn’t get. The guy went to college when tuition was twelve dollars or one mid-size hog, and he can’t stand the thought of today’s new graduates getting help with their student loans. Now in another thread he’s bitching about people working from home.
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Look certain individuals on this board probably squaked and started lecturing people about some bullshit that 95% of people don’t care about… but those I did that stickers that started popping up on gas pumps like immediately after Biden took office were a really really good idea. Gotta hand it to em on that.NigelUno wrote:Trump is a lame duck, but you tie any of his bad economic policies (like tariffs) to any potential Republican candidate.
iphones go up? Blame Republicans
Car prices go up? Blame Republicans
Prices of anything go up? Blame Republicans
Call it a Cost of Republican Index. Some catchy name that sticks. Make it a thing.
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NigelUno wrote:Trump is a lame duck, but you tie any of his bad economic policies (like tariffs) to any potential Republican candidate.
iphones go up? Blame Republicans
Car prices go up? Blame Republicans
Prices of anything go up? Blame Republicans
Call it a Cost of Republican Index. Some catchy name that sticks. Make it a thing.
Trump will run in 28 the only question is will it be a real election or a sham puppet election
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aualum06 wrote:NigelUno wrote:Trump is a lame duck, but you tie any of his bad economic policies (like tariffs) to any potential Republican candidate.
iphones go up? Blame Republicans
Car prices go up? Blame Republicans
Prices of anything go up? Blame Republicans
Call it a Cost of Republican Index. Some catchy name that sticks. Make it a thing.
Trump will run in 28 the only question is will it be a real election or a sham puppet election
Nah, Don Jr.
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DWags wrote:Here’s a pretty decent article of demographic breakdowns.
Trump picked up a small but significant share of Black and Hispanic voters, and made narrow gains with men and women. As Trump chipped away at parts of the Democratic coalition, Vice President Kamala Harris wasn’t able to make enough of her own gains. Trump succeeded in locking down his traditionally older, white base of voters, and he slightly expanded his margins with other groups into a winning coalition.
https://apnews.com/article/election-harris-trump-women-latinos-black-voters-0f3fbda3362f3dcfe41aa6b858f22d12
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Im onboard with that. And it can be all truth. Announce every Trump failure with a bullhorn.sεяεηιτλ wrote:DWags wrote:Here’s a pretty decent article of demographic breakdowns.
Trump picked up a small but significant share of Black and Hispanic voters, and made narrow gains with men and women. As Trump chipped away at parts of the Democratic coalition, Vice President Kamala Harris wasn’t able to make enough of her own gains. Trump succeeded in locking down his traditionally older, white base of voters, and he slightly expanded his margins with other groups into a winning coalition.
https://apnews.com/article/election-harris-trump-women-latinos-black-voters-0f3fbda3362f3dcfe41aa6b858f22d12
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