Re: Thread #500...Your least favorite MSU QB

[NigelUno]

You're right. Apparently I didn't know that Cook was "better" than Maxwell. After the spring game I advocated for Cook to play over Maxwell. I knew that Cook was at least as good, had some different skills, and needed to play over Maxwell because Maxwell had shown he wasn't the guy. I knew that it wasn't worth wasting another season with Andrew Maxwell as the QB no matter how great the coaches said he looked in practice or how great an arm he had or how well he grasped the offense. Then again, you still thought Maxwell should be playing when he came in against ND right? You know, since the coaches thought so.

I'll stick with my opinion on the issue and you can stick with your opinion that coaches never make mistakes and, therefore, you are never wrong.

Cook was hurt in the ND game.

[I Still Hate Weber State]

Cook was hurt in the ND game.

According to?

http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2013/09/michigan_states_connor_cook_on.html

[NigelUno]

According to?

http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2013/09/michigan_states_connor_cook_on.html

Did you watch the game?

[LoneWolfSparty]

Did you watch the game?

Do your job!

[NigelUno]

You're right. Apparently I didn't know that Cook was "better" than Maxwell. After the spring game I advocated for Cook to play over Maxwell. I knew that Cook was at least as good, had some different skills, and needed to play over Maxwell because Maxwell had shown he wasn't the guy. I knew that it wasn't worth wasting another season with Andrew Maxwell as the QB no matter how great the coaches said he looked in practice or how great an arm he had or how well he grasped the offense. Then again, you still thought Maxwell should be playing when he came in against ND right? You know, since the coaches thought so.

I'll stick with my opinion on the issue and you can stick with your opinion that coaches never make mistakes and, therefore, you are never wrong.

I'll play along with your "argument". If (as you claim) my point is that coaches never make mistakes, and you are arguing the opposite...can you tell me (after a BigTen and Rose Bowl Championship) how Dantonio mishandled the QB position? Is that what you're arguing? That the coaches made mistakes? Where and how were you right under this scenario?

[NigelUno]

Do your job!

Wut? Hold please...

[I Still Hate Weber State]

Did you watch the game?

Yeah, I did. He sure didn't seem like he thought he needed to come out and Dantonio didn't say anything about him being hurt being the reason they took him out. If it was don't you think he would have said that? A lot easier to explain than putting Maxwell in to "change the pace" or because they thought he would run the 2 minute offense better.

[NigelUno]

Yeah, I did. He sure didn't seem like he thought he needed to come out and Dantonio didn't say anything about him being hurt being the reason they took him out. If it was don't you think he would have said that? A lot easier to explain than putting Maxwell in to "change the pace" or because they thought he would run the 2 minute offense better.

Right. I would expect a head coach to advertise that his QB was hurt. Good call.

[I Still Hate Weber State]

I'll play along with your "argument".  If (as you claim) my point is that coaches never make mistakes, and you are arguing the opposite...can you tell me (after a BigTen and Rose Bowl Championship) how Dantonio mishandled the QB position?  Is that what you're arguing?  That the coaches made mistakes?  Where and how were you right under this scenario?

Jesus. It's easy to "play along" if you pretend that mistakes can't happen within the course of something successful. Yes, they made a mistake starting Maxwell. They made 1000x more good decisions than bad. The ultimate success of the team does nothing to prove that Maxwell was correctly named the starter. Maybe we go undefeated if Cook is the starter going into game 1. No one knows.

Just because I think the coaches made a mistake doesn't mean I didn't want Maxwell to succeed when he was in the game. You can question decisions without withdrawing support. Our coaching staff is extraordinary, but not infallible.

[I Still Hate Weber State]

Right.  I would expect a head coach to advertise that his QB was hurt.  Good call.

A coach is not going lie and to make himself look worse, especially when the team has a bye the next week. If you actually believe that neither Cook nor Dantonio said the reason he was pulled was due to injury in order to hide it from Iowa, who we played 2 weeks later, I don't know what to tell you.

[NigelUno]

A coach is not going lie and to make himself look worse, especially when the team has a bye the next week. If you actually believe that neither Cook nor Dantonio said the reason he was pulled was due to injury in order to hide it from Iowa, who we played 2 weeks later, I don't know what to tell you.

Apparently, you're not familiar with Brady Hoke.

[I Still Hate Weber State]

Apparently, you're not familiar with Brady Hoke.

Are you comparing Dantonio to Hoke? BLASPHEMY

Anyway, this conversation has run its course. Go Green!

[NigelUno]

Jesus. It's easy to "play along" if you pretend that mistakes can't happen within the course of something successful. Yes, they made a mistake starting Maxwell. They made 1000x more good decisions than bad. The ultimate success of the team does nothing to prove that Maxwell was correctly named the starter. Maybe we go undefeated if Cook is the starter going into game 1. No one knows.

Just because I think the coaches made a mistake doesn't mean I didn't want Maxwell to succeed when he was in the game. You can question decisions without withdrawing support. Our coaching staff is extraordinary, but not infallible.

So, you're right based on a hypothetical that maybe if Cook started the 1st game, we would have gone undefeated? Thanks for clearing that up.

[duffy munn]

I already put duffy on notice.

What does this mean, exactly ?

[Blanch32]

Andrew "walk out of bounds on 4th and 20" Maxwell.


...as a player anyway

Tony banks pulled that same shit against PSU 1995 or 96. Just saying...

[duffy munn]

Take away his senior season, and his completion rate was 56%. 28 td's vs 22 INTs. I think the only category he leads at MSU is negative rushing yrds, at a whopping minus-318    Remember, these stats don't count his senior season, where he upped his game to a decent level. don't know what you're looking at.

Here's what I'm looking at:

6th All time in completions
5th all-time in passing yards
4th all time in TD's
7 all time in completion %
Top Ten in every major QB stat in MSU history, while playing for George Perles. Did he compile all of those numbers in one year ?

[NigelUno]

What does this mean, exactly ?

Sarcasm allowed.

[SPARTASOTAN]

Just an fyi:
These are the starting QB's for the Spartans since 1972;
1972 Mark Neisen
1973-75 Charles Baggett
1976-78 Eddie Smith
1979 Bert Vaughn
1980 John Leister
1981 Bryan Clark
1982 John Leister
1983 Clark Brown
1984-86 Dave Yarema
1987-88 Bobby McAllister
1989-90 Dan Enos
1991-93 Jim Miller
1994-95 Tony Banks
1996-97 Todd Schultz
1998-99 Bill Burke
2000-03 Jeff Smoker
2004-06 Drew Stanton
2007-08 Brian Hoyer
2009-11 Kirk Cousins
2012-13 Andrew Maxwell
2013 Connor Cook

[duffy munn]

Just an fyi:
These are the starting QB's for the Spartans since 1972;
1972 Mark Neisen
1973-75 Charles Baggett
1976-78 Eddie Smith
1979 Bert Vaughn
1980 John Leister
1981 Bryan Clark
1982 John Leister
1983 Clark Brown
1984-86 Dave Yarema
1987-88 Bobby McAllister
1989-90 Dan Enos
1991-93 Jim Miller
1994-95 Tony Banks
1996-97 Todd Schultz
1998-99 Bill Burke
2000-03 Jeff Smoker
2004-06 Drew Stanton
2007-08 Brian Hoyer
2009-11 Kirk Cousins
2012-13 Andrew Maxwell
2013 Connor Cook

Clark Brown in 1983 is a bit misleading. He started the year as a 3rd stringer and should have never seen the field. He played only because Yarema and then Rich Kolb were injured within minutes in the seasons third game.

The 83 team had a chance to be damn good until Yarema got hurt.. They were coming off a huge win at ND and controlling the game against Illinois ( when Illinois was actually good). when both Yarema and his back up went down for the year. Brown was way over his head and the season went south in a hurry.

[That's Good D!]

Hoyer seemed to over throw his receiver more than any other QB. He drove me crazy, but I didn't hate him.  Dowdell would be my only hated QB.

He didn't seem to do so, he DID. The dude left BJ out to dry on a weekly basis over the middle. I'm surprised he didn't break his damn spine from being undercut so much!

[tanfan!]

I'm still not following what you think I'm wrong about.  I didn't say Maxwell should start.  I didn't say Cook should start.  I didn't say Terry should start.  I didn't say O'Connor should start.

I said the coaches would start who they thought would give us the best chance to win.  At that point, I think they thought Maxwell would give us the best chance to win...because they named him the starter.  That doesn't make me wrong about anything.

You were consistent in this position

[pulling69]

1996-97 Todd Schultz
1998-99 Bill Burke

Yuck

[Floyd Robertson]

1996-97 Todd Schultz
1998-99 Bill Burke

Yuck

Never to this day will understand the hate for Bill Burke. Beat the Gators in the Citrus Bowl (somebody had to throw to Plaxico). Set the then-MSU career touchdown passes mark with 46 after three against Florida and became only the second Spartan to have two 2,000-yard passing seasons after Tony Banks.

Sure, the guy was prone to a few bonehead plays, but in the end he helped guide the Spartans to their best season in over a decade.

[SpartanRyan]

I'm pretty young, so I either have to go with Dowdell or Maxwell.

I remember every time Dowdell came in we were fucked.

[Stinkweed]

Ryan Van Dyke for the sole reason that the douche tattooed his own name on his arms.

[Crazy Jim9]

Todd Schultz for me. He completely quit and just didn't care if Michigan won. So he, and a couple other teams going full retard, and we had to endure the first Michigan National Title since 1948. While Michigan fans would still be arrogant on the internets, it would be more funny if their last title was in 1948 as opposed to 1997.

My thoughts on Maxwell. I think that he just was not a gamer at all, he had all the physical tools, and he was great in practice. The coaches thought that they had another Cousins, and that Maxwell would get it done.

When Maxwell first started against Boise State, I think he did really well, but he was let down by his receivers. Then, he was let down by his offensive line against Notre Dame, and then he was let down by his offensive coordinator, everything blew up in his head, and he went all Todd Schultz on us and lost his confidence. Every time I saw a Roushar interview, I couldn't see how that guy would instill confidence in anyone, so I doubt he could help build someone back up if they couldn't do it themselves.

I believe that when the next season came around, Maxwell still outperformed Cook in practice, and again the coaches thought about his physical tools, but then through the first few games it was shown that he just didn't have it in games.


So to recap:

Maxwell started out well.
His receivers let him down.
His offensive line let him down.
His OC let him down.
...and finally, he let himself down.

[Ass Dan]

Never saw Todd Schultz play, Maxwell is the only starting qb at msu I got to watch that didn't have nfl aspirations, so I don't think my assessment is very valuable. Dowdell I guess goes in there too but he was never supposed to be a starting quarterback.

Maxwell's run out of bounds against nd was the lowest moment I've ever seen from an msu player. Until that game I thought he'd end up being the starter the rest of the way because cook looked awful through four games as well. That gutless play sealed it for cook, and the rest is history

[GirbaudJeans]

Schultz was awful.

He was pretty douchy. I was at Ricks and he was talking to some girl near the bar. I dont know if he was getting her number or drawing a diagram of his terrible passes but he turns and says to someone who was with him "Go to the bar and tell them Shultzy needs a pen". It was early in the night, the place wasnt busy at all and he said it loud enough for the whole bar to hear.

[Nommad2]

Here's what I'm looking at:

6th All time in completions
5th all-time in passing yards
4th all time in TD's
7 all time in completion %
Top Ten in every major QB stat in MSU history, while playing for George Perles. Did he compile all of those numbers in one year ?

That just means we haven't had many good QBs.

[duffy munn]

That just means we haven't had many good QBs.

Signed,

Earl Morrell

Eddie Smith

Jim Miller

Tony Banks

Drew Stanton

Brian Hoyer

Kirk Cousins

[Nommad2]

Signed,

Earl Morrell

Eddie Smith

Jim Miller

Tony Banks

Drew Stanton

Brian Hoyer

Kirk Cousins

A lot of those guys made the pros. So are you still insisting Dave Yarema is awesome?

[tTito]

The idea of having a bonar for past Spartan quarterbacks, guys who worked their asses off, and played hard for shitty coaches is just plain lame. This thread blows.

[Masturbating Bear]

Ryan Van Dyke for the sole reason that the douche tattooed his own name on his arms.

Came here to post this exactly. Not sure about most-hated QB but Van Dyke definitely wins most-hated arm tats

[Spartan Punk]

The idea of having a bonar for past Spartan quarterbacks, guys who worked their asses off, and played hard for shitty coaches is just plain lame. This thread blows.

Glad you liked it enough to open it up, read through it and then post.

[tanfan!]

I'm pretty young, so I either have to go with Dowdell or Maxwell.

I remember every time Dowdell came in we were fucked.

other team always came back and won. He lost every game because the Offense completely stalled when he was in.   

[tanfan!]

The idea of having a bonar for past Spartan quarterbacks, guys who worked their asses off, and played hard for shitty coaches is just plain lame. This thread blows.

No you blow. Now go back to your pussy pals on the RCMB. We don't give a rats ass what you think blower

[duffy munn]

A lot of those guys made the pros. So are you still insisting Dave Yarema is awesome?

Awesome, no. Top Ten all-time MSU QB, yes. The numbers don't lie.

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