Oregon Is First State to Adopt Automatic Voter Registration...

by **Heat Miser** Mon 16 Mar 2015 - 19:51

Think you turds can keep this out of the Swill Bin?

Oregon Is First State to Adopt Automatic Voter Registration

by **Cym Jim** Mon 16 Mar 2015 - 19:57

Sounds like a cunning plot to get more lazy illegals and homosexuals to vote for Godless liberal handouts. Which is all fine by me.

by Marc Summers Mon 16 Mar 2015 - 20:00

Seems ripe for fraud in the new political landscape, but politics are rigged anyways.

by LoneWolfSparty Mon 16 Mar 2015 - 20:03

Uber liberal state that I'll never live in anyway. I couldn't care less.

by **Heat Miser** Mon 16 Mar 2015 - 20:06

LoneWolfSparty wrote:Uber liberal state that I'll never live in anyway. I couldn't care less.

Well, the implication is that, if successful, this could be done in other states. Shocked that you didn't pick up on that. Rolling Eyes

by **Turtleneck** Mon 16 Mar 2015 - 20:08

LoneWolfSparty wrote:Uber liberal state that I'll never live in anyway. I couldn't care less.

There is your answer, Heat Miser.

by **Turtleneck** Mon 16 Mar 2015 - 20:13

Heat Miser wrote:

Well, the implication is that, if successful, this could be done in other states. Shocked that you didn't pick up on that.

Studies have indicated that low voter turnout often correlates with systemic political bias. This seems like a worthwhile attempt to increase voter turnout, and thus enhance the quality of our representative democracy.

by Rodeo Burger Mon 16 Mar 2015 - 20:24

I'm curious what Democrats are going to do when they achieve their goal of having a majority of the electorate reliant on the government for their day to day expenses.

You'd think the unions over-reaching would have taught them something. If you are a parasite, don't kill your host.

by **Heat Miser** Mon 16 Mar 2015 - 20:25

Turtleneck wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:

Well, the implication is that, if successful, this could be done in other states. Shocked that you didn't pick up on that.

Studies have indicated that low voter turnout often correlates with systemic political bias. This seems like a worthwhile attempt to increase voter turnout, and thus enhance the quality of our representative democracy.

That would run contrary to our country's long history of voter suppression.

by **Heat Miser** Mon 16 Mar 2015 - 20:28

Rodeo Burger wrote:I'm curious what Democrats are going to do when they achieve their goal of having a majority of the electorate reliant on the government for their day to day expenses.

You'd think the unions over-reaching would have taught them something. If you are a parasite, don't kill your host.

What the fuck does any of that do with increasing voter registration and turnout? Nothing.

by **The Pantry** Mon 16 Mar 2015 - 20:50

Registration does nothing to increase voter turnout. It will probably just be used to increase the jury pool

by **Heat Miser** Mon 16 Mar 2015 - 21:12

The Pantry wrote:Registration does nothing to increase voter turnout. It will probably just be used to increase the jury pool

False

by **xsanguine** Mon 16 Mar 2015 - 21:15

It's great that they want to enhance a concept they believe can actually work (and has been demonstrated over the last 250 years that it doesn't work)... but until you can actually choose not to be a slave rather than just being allowed to choose your master... it's just a perpetuation of the real problem.

People are going to buy into it, though... because, like religion, our political system and "heroes" were always burnt into our young impressionable minds as benevolent and just.... despite it all being anything but.

by **Heat Miser** Mon 16 Mar 2015 - 21:52

xsanguine wrote:It's great that they want to enhance a concept they believe can actually work (and has been demonstrated over the last 250 years that it doesn't work)... but until you can actually choose not to be a slave rather than just being allowed to choose your master... it's just a perpetuation of the real problem.

People are going to buy into it, though... because, like religion, our political system and "heroes" were always burnt into our young impressionable minds as benevolent and just.... despite it all being anything but.

So your saying more registered voters is a bad thing? And you don't believe even one of these newly registered voters will actually vote? Do you also believe in unicorns?

by LoneWolfSparty Mon 16 Mar 2015 - 21:55

Heat Miser wrote:

Well, the implication is that, if successful, this could be done in other states. Shocked that you didn't pick up on that.

Right thinking states that do not want Viet fraud won't adopt. I felt that was inherent in my response.

by Rodeo Burger Mon 16 Mar 2015 - 21:58

Heat Miser wrote:

What the fuck does any of that do with increasing voter registration and turnout? Nothing.

Literally every other "get out the vote" initiative was designed to get illegals to the polls, get the dead to vote, and prevent pollsters from checking ID's to make sure the people who are voting are allowed to do so. If this is different, kudos. I doubt it.

Just like the "amnesty" that Obama is proposing for millions of illegals, er, "undocumented" people...he's trying to import destitute people who will vote Democrat....and eventually, the benefits they were promised won't be available because no one pays taxes.

Anyway, I have an out, so I'll watch the carnage from afar. Have fun guys.

by **xsanguine** Mon 16 Mar 2015 - 22:12

Heat Miser wrote:

So your saying more registered voters is a bad thing? And you don't believe even one of these newly registered voters will actually vote? Do you also believe in unicorns?

You sure it's not you who believes in unicorns?

You can add a billion more voters... they can all vote, 100% voter turnout...

But none of that matters when the candidates all of these newly registered voters that have gained such a privilege are voting for are glorified hired actors.

by **Turtleneck** Mon 16 Mar 2015 - 22:21

xsanguine wrote:

You sure it's not you who believes in unicorns?

You can add a billion more voters... they can all vote, 100% voter turnout...

But none of that matters when the candidates all of these newly registered voters that have gained such a privilege are voting for are glorified hired actors.

A practical scheme, says Oscar Wilde, is either one already in existence, or a scheme that could be carried out under the existing conditions; but it is exactly the existing conditions that one objects to, and any scheme that could accept these conditions is wrong and foolish. The true criterion of the practical, therefore, is not whether the latter can keep intact the wrong or foolish; rather is it whether the scheme has vitality enough to leave the stagnant waters of the old, and build, as well as sustain, new life. In the light of this conception, Anarchism is indeed practical. More than any other idea, it is helping to do away with the wrong and foolish; more than any other idea, it is building and sustaining new life.

- Emma Goldman

by **xsanguine** Mon 16 Mar 2015 - 23:13

Turtleneck wrote:

A practical scheme, says Oscar Wilde, is either one already in existence, or a scheme that could be carried out under the existing conditions; but it is exactly the existing conditions that one objects to, and any scheme that could accept these conditions is wrong and foolish. The true criterion of the practical, therefore, is not whether the latter can keep intact the wrong or foolish; rather is it whether the scheme has vitality enough to leave the stagnant waters of the old, and build, as well as sustain, new life. In the light of this conception, Anarchism is indeed practical. More than any other idea, it is helping to do away with the wrong and foolish; more than any other idea, it is building and sustaining new life.

- Emma Goldman

I'll drink to that. +1

by **Heat Miser** Tue 17 Mar 2015 - 0:26

xsanguine wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:

So your saying more registered voters is a bad thing? And you don't believe even one of these newly registered voters will actually vote? Do you also believe in unicorns?

You sure it's not you who believes in unicorns?

You can add a billion more voters... they can all vote, 100% voter turnout...

But none of that matters when the candidates all of these newly registered voters that have gained such a privilege are voting for are glorified hired actors.

So what? The point is that more people end up voting. That is the desired outcome.

by **Heat Miser** Tue 17 Mar 2015 - 0:27

Rodeo Burger wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:

What the fuck does any of that do with increasing voter registration and turnout? Nothing.

Literally every other "get out the vote" initiative was designed to get illegals to the polls, get the dead to vote, and prevent pollsters from checking ID's to make sure the people who are voting are allowed to do so. If this is different, kudos. I doubt it.

Just like the "amnesty" that Obama is proposing for millions of illegals, er, "undocumented" people...he's trying to import destitute people who will vote Democrat....and eventually, the benefits they were promised won't be available because no one pays taxes.

Anyway, I have an out, so I'll watch the carnage from afar. Have fun guys.

Oregon Is First State to Adopt Automatic Voter Registration... 983955289

by **xsanguine** Tue 17 Mar 2015 - 1:21

Heat Miser wrote:

So what? The point is that more people end up voting. That is the desired outcome.

So what? Really?

The desired outcome is arbitrary participation? The concept behind that participation isn't of any concern... just as long as people are getting in line to "participate", it's all good?

Crazy...

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Tue 17 Mar 2015 - 1:28

xsanguine wrote:

So what? Really?

The desired outcome is arbitrary participation? The concept behind that participation isn't of any concern... just as long as people are getting in line to "participate", it's all good?

Crazy...

Xsan spot on here as usual

by **xsanguine** Tue 17 Mar 2015 - 1:50

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

Xsan spot on here as usual

Oregon Is First State to Adopt Automatic Voter Registration... VY9YsPi

by LoneWolfSparty Tue 17 Mar 2015 - 6:49

Heat Miser wrote:

So what? The point is that more people end up voting. That is the desired outcome.

And more voter fraud. Which you seem to have no problem with. I'd be fine with this if mandatory picture ID was coupled with it.

by Guest Tue 17 Mar 2015 - 6:58

Heat Miser wrote:

What the fuck does any of that do with increasing voter registration and turnout? Nothing.

Increased registration and turnout is wonderful. IF our goal is to have the choice of political leaders made by the most uninformed, unengaged citizens. Sounds like a hell of a plan. Do you use the same logic for all decisions in your life? Find the people that know the least about a subject and draft them into making the decision?

by **Robert J Sakimano** Tue 17 Mar 2015 - 7:12

shocked to learn that republicans have a problem with the thought of more Americans participating in free and open elections..

by **Cameron** Tue 17 Mar 2015 - 7:14

LooseGoose wrote:

Increased registration and turnout is wonderful. IF our goal is to have the choice of political leaders made by the most uninformed, unengaged citizens. Sounds like a hell of a plan. Do you use the same logic for all decisions in your life? Find the people that know the least about a subject and draft them into making the decision?

That's democracy. The idiot and the genius have equal say. It's an imperfect system.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Tue 17 Mar 2015 - 7:16

LooseGoose wrote:

Increased registration and turnout is wonderful. IF our goal is to have the choice of political leaders made by the most uninformed, unengaged citizens. Sounds like a hell of a plan. Do you use the same logic for all decisions in your life? Find the people that know the least about a subject and draft them into making the decision?

we'll mark you down for wanting to decide which Americans are and aren't allowed to vote..

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Tue 17 Mar 2015 - 8:12

LooseGoose wrote:

Increased registration and turnout is wonderful. IF our goal is to have the choice of political leaders made by the most uninformed, unengaged citizens. Sounds like a hell of a plan. Do you use the same logic for all decisions in your life? Find the people that know the least about a subject and draft them into making the decision?

So your opinion is generally "those people aren't as smart as me so they should shut up and do what I say because I know what's good for them better than they do."

Nice.

by Marc Summers Tue 17 Mar 2015 - 8:14

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
So your opinion is generally "those people aren't as smart as me so they should shut up and do what I say because I know what's good for them better than they do."

Nice.

Isn't that pretty much the premise of representative democracy?!?

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Tue 17 Mar 2015 - 8:20

Marc Summers wrote:
Isn't that pretty much the premise of representative democracy?!?

Yeah, but you don't say it out loud...

by HT Tue 17 Mar 2015 - 8:20

Rodeo Burger wrote:

Literally every other "get out the vote" initiative was designed to get illegals to the polls, get the dead to vote, and prevent pollsters from checking ID's to make sure the people who are voting are allowed to do so. If this is different, kudos. I doubt it.

Just like the "amnesty" that Obama is proposing for millions of illegals, er, "undocumented" people...he's trying to import destitute people who will vote Democrat....and eventually, the benefits they were promised won't be available because no one pays taxes.

Anyway, I have an out, so I'll watch the carnage from afar. Have fun guys.

What is your out and how can I get one?

by Guest Tue 17 Mar 2015 - 8:26

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
So your opinion is generally "those people aren't as smart as me so they should shut up and do what I say because I know what's good for them better than they do."

Nice.

Nice try, but a huge distortion of what I said. Silly way to "win" an argument.

If they're engaged enough and care enough to make even a minimal effort to vote then more power to them and I'm happy they're voting.

That's much different than doing all the work for them and asking them to vote for people and policies that they've never heard of.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Tue 17 Mar 2015 - 8:27

as a good god-fearin', America lovin' republican, I have a very simple solution.

Let's allow everyone to vote.. every single American over the age of 18. however, I propose an inverse correlation as it relates to strength of vote versus skin color. The lighter your skin, the more your vote counts. The darker your skin, the less your vote counts.

it's what jesus would want.

USA! USA! USA!

by **Robert J Sakimano** Tue 17 Mar 2015 - 8:29

LooseGoose wrote:

Nice try, but a huge distortion of what I said. Silly way to "win" an argument.

If they're engaged enough and care enough to make even a minimal effort to vote then more power to them and I'm happy they're voting.

That's much different than doing all the work for them and asking them to vote for people and policies that they've never heard of.

weren't you an advocate for the government killing its own citizens last week in the one thread about the firing squad? Oregon Is First State to Adopt Automatic Voter Registration... 502811600

Oregon Is First State to Adopt Automatic Voter Registration... 502811600

so.. correct me if I'm wrong (doubtful that I'm wrong but I feel a correction coming on).. you believe that some citizens should vote and some shouldn't.. and you believe that the government should be sanctioned to kill it's own citizens?

have you consider relocating to China? or Iran?

by **Turtleneck** Tue 17 Mar 2015 - 8:35

LoneWolfSparty wrote:

And more voter fraud. Which you seem to have no problem with. I'd be fine with this if mandatory picture ID was coupled with it.

There is very little voter fraud so I am not sure what kind of point you are trying to make. Contrary to the narrative certain groups have crafted, studies conducted by legitimate researchers continually demonstrate there is very little voter fraud.

LooseGoose wrote:

Increased registration and turnout is wonderful. IF our goal is to have the choice of political leaders made by the most uninformed, unengaged citizens. Sounds like a hell of a plan. Do you use the same logic for all decisions in your life? Find the people that know the least about a subject and draft them into making the decision?

Congressional approval below 20%....but we return 90% of incumbents to office. I am not sure why you have so much faith in those people that are currently engaged in politics.

by **xsanguine** Tue 17 Mar 2015 - 8:53

Robert J Sakimano wrote:shocked to learn that republicans have a problem with the thought of more Americans participating in free and open elections..

I'm a reformed Democrat, Bob.

Americans aren't participating in free and open elections, though. That's the fib.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Tue 17 Mar 2015 - 9:03

xsanguine wrote:

I'm a reformed Democrat, Bob.

Americans aren't participating in free and open elections, though. That's the fib.

in theory, of course. As long as people are perpetuating things like voter ID laws, etc., and as long as the millionaires and corporations are deciding which candidates we get to vote for.. they're not exactly "free and open".

however, chalk me up as someone who thinks everyone should have the right to vote.

by **xsanguine** Tue 17 Mar 2015 - 9:09

Robert J Sakimano wrote:in theory, of course. As long as people are perpetuating things like voter ID laws, etc., and as long as the millionaires and corporations are deciding which candidates we get to vote for.. they're not exactly "free and open".

however, chalk me up as someone who thinks everyone should have the right to vote.

There's no way to keep millionaires and corporations from deciding which candidates get to get voted on. It's just the way it is... when you create a vehicle only one person can drive it and that one person (or entity in this case) is going to be the one whose acquired the most resources because they have the most resources to give.

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