Talent gap vs bama

Forget the recruiting bs. What's the NFLs opinion? Let's say bama is always a 10 for college football. What are we? In 2010, I bet we were like a 5. Now....7.5, does that sound fair?

Bump, someone go get the rcmb dorks to answer this

Ohio State beat them on the lines last year with almost the same team that MSU dominated in the trenches this year. I don't think there is a talent gap. If there's no "effort" gap, MSU has a damn good chance.

Rocinante wrote:Ohio State beat them on the lines last year with almost the same team that MSU dominated in the trenches this year. I don't think there is a talent gap. If there's no "effort" gap, MSU has a damn good chance.

My thoughts as well. Granted I still think Henry goes for 100, but it's their passing game that struggles

Rocinante wrote:Ohio State beat them on the lines last year with almost the same team that MSU dominated in the trenches this year. I don't think there is a talent gap. If there's no "effort" gap, MSU has a damn good chance.

There is a depth gap. We need all of our rotations at their best because we'll get no break. They'll kee throwing guys at us without a drop off.

Blanch32 wrote:

Rocinante wrote:Ohio State beat them on the lines last year with almost the same team that MSU dominated in the trenches this year. I don't think there is a talent gap. If there's no "effort" gap, MSU has a damn good chance.

My thoughts as well. Granted I still think Henry goes for 100, but it's their passing game that struggles

Coker can hit passes, he's just inconsistent. The knock on Coker is that he tends to lock in on his primary target and he isn't able to scan all of his options anywhere near fast enough. He's not Cook, but he doesn't have to be since Alabama's running game is so good. Alabama is still going to be able to run the ball on our D, they just won't be able to run it like they're used to. Hopefully, we can manage to keep Alabama in 3rd and long situations and when Coker passes, we can get pressure and force him into quicker decisions than he can handle. If Coker's got time or Ridley can get open quickly, then they will have an effective passing game. Our secondary is going to have to play very well.

DWags wrote:

Rocinante wrote:Ohio State beat them on the lines last year with almost the same team that MSU dominated in the trenches this year. I don't think there is a talent gap. If there's no "effort" gap, MSU has a damn good chance.

There is a depth gap. We need all of our rotations at their best because we'll get no break. They'll kee throwing guys at us without a drop off.

Fwags. All that bag money is tough to overcome

Tanfan! wrote:

DWags wrote:

There is a depth gap. We need all of our rotations at their best because we'll get no break. They'll kee throwing guys at us without a drop off.

Fwags. All that bag money is tough to overcome

It's been done. Our squad can too. Wish we had one more elite WR. We don't so it has to be a score under 20 for us to win.

DWags wrote:

Rocinante wrote:Ohio State beat them on the lines last year with almost the same team that MSU dominated in the trenches this year. I don't think there is a talent gap. If there's no "effort" gap, MSU has a damn good chance.

There is a depth gap. We need all of our rotations at their best because we'll get no break. They'll kee throwing guys at us without a drop off.

Which is how we could be worn down in the second half, leading to extra bama scoring from the late 3rd Q to the EOG. It's what we've been able to do to our opponents (e.g., Iowa). This is where I hope all that February 4th Q training pays off. It will definitely be put to the test.

DWags wrote:

Rocinante wrote:Ohio State beat them on the lines last year with almost the same team that MSU dominated in the trenches this year. I don't think there is a talent gap. If there's no "effort" gap, MSU has a damn good chance.

There is a depth gap. We need all of our rotations at their best because we'll get no break. They'll kee throwing guys at us without a drop off.

Bump. Good to know it was only a depth gap. Lol


...and only bumping this for the green seat mafia an bonars as I was the only poster to question the talent

So can we consider blanch even for this thread and the one re: Cousins?

Blanch32 wrote:

Rocinante wrote: I don't think there is a talent gap.

My thoughts as well

Hmmm.

So where was the gap?

Between MSU and UofM's basketball programs? MSU Bama coaching? Warner? Pat Shurmur?

Yeah, looking at the game a couple times, the talent gap was pretty huge. Using the first post, I'd say it's even more than that. 10 to maybe 6. The more you watch the game the more you shake your head. I don't know if they were hitting on all points, but if that was just an "average" bama outing, that was remarkable. Not only do we have a talent gap but we have a depth gap too.

If you have the stomach to rewatch the game, our Oline was very disapointing. Just got their asses handed to them. Maybe Conklin didn't but he was beat a couple times also. The Dline from Bama was just so fast, I don't get how OSU got to them last year. No way does OSU have that much talent.

So, yeah, I was hoping our starters would be able to hold off thier starters in the first half. I thought that because of their depth, they'd beat us in the second half but the first half would be close because we match up fairly close with first stringers. But even though it was only 10-0 at half, and could ahve been 10-7, you can see the lack of talent on our side vs. theirs. It was fairly substantial in my opinion.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:

Blanch32 wrote:

My thoughts as well

Hmmm.

Oops.

DWags wrote:Yeah, looking at the game a couple times, the talent gap was pretty huge. Using the first post, I'd say it's even more than that. 10 to maybe 6. The more you watch the game the more you shake your head. I don't know if they were hitting on all points, but if that was just an "average" bama outing, that was remarkable. Not only do we have a talent gap but we have a depth gap too.

If you have the stomach to rewatch the game, our Oline was very disapointing. Just got their asses handed to them. Maybe Conklin didn't but he was beat a couple times also. The Dline from Bama was just so fast, I don't get how OSU got to them last year. No way does OSU have that much talent.

So, yeah, I was hoping our starters would be able to hold off thier starters in the first half. I thought that because of their depth, they'd beat us in the second half but the first half would be close because we match up fairly close with first stringers. But even though it was only 10-0 at half, and could ahve been 10-7, you can see the lack of talent on our side vs. theirs. It was fairly substantial in my opinion.

100% spot on.

Bama cheats.. it's that simple. We've never actually lost a game.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:Bama cheats.. it's that simple. We've never actually lost a game.

Bob, stop being such a homer.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:Bama cheats.. it's that simple. We've never actually lost a game.

Bob, stop being such a homer.

DWags wrote:Yeah, looking at the game a couple times, the talent gap was pretty huge. Using the first post, I'd say it's even more than that. 10 to maybe 6. The more you watch the game the more you shake your head. I don't know if they were hitting on all points, but if that was just an "average" bama outing, that was remarkable. Not only do we have a talent gap but we have a depth gap too.

If you have the stomach to rewatch the game, our Oline was very disapointing. Just got their asses handed to them. Maybe Conklin didn't but he was beat a couple times also. The Dline from Bama was just so fast, I don't get how OSU got to them last year. No way does OSU have that much talent.

So, yeah, I was hoping our starters would be able to hold off thier starters in the first half. I thought that because of their depth, they'd beat us in the second half but the first half would be close because we match up fairly close with first stringers. But even though it was only 10-0 at half, and could ahve been 10-7, you can see the lack of talent on our side vs. theirs. It was fairly substantial in my opinion.

Bama plays at a different level than everyone else.

And they have unlimited practice to get ready for Clemson (while Clemson has to adhere to NCAA 20 hour rules).

I would like you all to think about my penis right now. Stop what you're doing and thing about my penis. Are you thinking about it?

Good.

Now, think about the porn star John Holmes penis.

O.K., good. One Penis is like Alabama, one is like MSU.

Which one did you match up to whom?

Saban simply owned our coaches. Sure, their talent is better overall but when you get whipped like we did there, you have to question the game plan. It's the same in hoops when Coach K beats Izzo by 20.

I'm happy that we're one of the handful of great schools in both sports, but it sure would be nice to be more competitive in the Final Four of one of those sports.

Rocinante wrote:Ohio State beat them on the lines last year with almost the same team that MSU dominated in the trenches this year. I don't think there is a talent gap. If there's no "effort" gap, MSU has a damn good chance.

First of all, Bama has a better defensive front this year and Ohio States OL last year was much better than ours this year.

Also, the type of spread OSU employs loosens up Bamas defense. And OSU last year had NFL talent all over the field on offense. We didn't.

The right side of MSUs line this year became an issue. If you have a weak point on your OL going against Bama's front, its over. Especially if you run pro style like we do.

If our Oline could have been a draw with Bama Dline, you have a very very different ball game. You can't put a defense that is good, even as good as ours, out there that much before it takes its toll.

Giant Moose wrote:Saban simply owned our coaches. Sure, their talent is better overall but when you get whipped like we did there, you have to question the game plan. It's the same in hoops when Coach K beats Izzo by 20.

I'm happy that we're one of the handful of great schools in both sports, but it sure would be nice to be more competitive in the Final Four of one of those sports.

Arguably MSU really shouldn't have been in the final four in either sport...but we earned it by winning games. But MSU wasnt a top 4 team in football this year and wasn't in hoops last year.

MSU has a glaring lack of speed and playmakers on offense. We simply couldn't replace Lippett, Mumphery and Langford. All of whom are in the NFL...we don't reload with 5 stars.

Giant Moose wrote:Saban simply owned our coaches. Sure, their talent is better overall but when you get whipped like we did there, you have to question the game plan. It's the same in hoops when Coach K beats Izzo by 20.

I'm happy that we're one of the handful of great schools in both sports, but it sure would be nice to be more competitive in the Final Four of one of those sports.

People aren't going to like this, but it's the truth.

The_Dude wrote:

Giant Moose wrote:Saban simply owned our coaches. Sure, their talent is better overall but when you get whipped like we did there, you have to question the game plan. It's the same in hoops when Coach K beats Izzo by 20.

I'm happy that we're one of the handful of great schools in both sports, but it sure would be nice to be more competitive in the Final Four of one of those sports.

Arguably MSU really shouldn't have been in the final four in either sport...but we earned it by winning games. But MSU wasnt a top 4 team in football this year and wasn't in hoops last year.

MSU has a glaring lack of speed and playmakers on offense. We simply couldn't replace Lippett, Mumphery and Langford. All of whom are in the NFL...we don't reload with 5 stars.

Now, I have an issue with this. We were top 4 teams in both sports, because, ya know, we made the final 4 in both sports.

"Arguably MSU really shouldn't have been in the final four in either sport...but we earned it by winning games."

Everybody just read this sentence over a couple of times and think about this logic. You need to read it at least three times and think about it. Let me know if it hurts your head.

DWags wrote:I would like you all to think about my penis right now. Stop what you're doing and thing about my penis. Are you thinking about it?

Good.

Now, think about the porn star John Holmes penis.

O.K., good. One Penis is like Alabama, one is like MSU.

Which one did you match up to whom?

Where does Long Dong Silver fit into all this?

DWags wrote:
"Arguably MSU really shouldn't have been in the final four in either sport...but we earned it by winning games."

Everybody just read this sentence over a couple of times and think about this logic. You need to read it at least three times and think about it. Let me know if it hurts your head.

Yeah but in reality we should have been a multiple loss team. Caught breaks. Bama caught a break with Arky beating Ole Miss. It happens.

But just watching teams plays...MSU is a top 10ish team. We have too many weak points this year in football.

The_Dude wrote:

DWags wrote:
"Arguably MSU really shouldn't have been in the final four in either sport...but we earned it by winning games."

Everybody just read this sentence over a couple of times and think about this logic. You need to read it at least three times and think about it. Let me know if it hurts your head.

Yeah but in reality we should have been a multiple loss team. Caught breaks. Bama caught a break with Arky beating Ole Miss. It happens.

But just watching teams plays...MSU is a top 10ish team. We have too many weak points this year in football.

MSU is a top 5 team.

InTenSity wrote:

The_Dude wrote:

DWags wrote:
"Arguably MSU really shouldn't have been in the final four in either sport...but we earned it by winning games."

Everybody just read this sentence over a couple of times and think about this logic. You need to read it at least three times and think about it. Let me know if it hurts your head.

Yeah but in reality we should have been a multiple loss team. Caught breaks. Bama caught a break with Arky beating Ole Miss. It happens.

But just watching teams plays...MSU is a top 10ish team. We have too many weak points this year in football.

MSU is a top 5 team.

Subjectively, no. Objectively through on-field results, yes.

Even though I'm one of the biggest sunshine optimists in this joint, this team never convinced me that we had an elite squad in any facet of the game and could not put games away when they had the chance. And yes, I'm aware of the injuries, and Tressel Ball and all that. Now that bowl results are in, the B1G was soft.

Getting beat by Nebraska in retrospect with new data is now longer as much of an anomaly as it first appeared.

I don't think we beat Ole Miss, Oklahoma, Clemson on a neutral field.

Sorry, but that's just what I think.

SeeRockCity wrote:

InTenSity wrote:
MSU is a top 5 team.

Subjectively, no. Objectively through on-field results, yes.

Even though I'm one of the biggest sunshine optimists in this joint, this team never convinced me that we had an elite squad in any facet of the game and could not put games away when they had the chance. And yes, I'm aware of the injuries, and Tressel Ball and all that. Now that bowl results are in, the B1G was soft.

Getting beat by Nebraska in retrospect with new data is now longer as much of an anomaly as it first appeared.

I don't think we beat Ole Miss, Oklahoma, Clemson on a neutral field.

Sorry, but that's just what I think.

Add Stanford , Ohio State and possibly ND/Houston. Any team really that has an explosive passing game would have a good shot to beat us. The B1G just had horrific offenses this year...and arguably the best offense we played in Nebraska beat us...even though OSU has a better offense the game was played in a cold monsoon to negate that.

MSU just wasn't really a complete team this year and our offense just never really hit its stride.

The lack of playmakers on offense showed against Iowa who isnt that good but we won so we ignored it. And special teams have been an utter disaster all year.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

Giant Moose wrote:Saban simply owned our coaches. Sure, their talent is better overall but when you get whipped like we did there, you have to question the game plan. It's the same in hoops when Coach K beats Izzo by 20.

I'm happy that we're one of the handful of great schools in both sports, but it sure would be nice to be more competitive in the Final Four of one of those sports.

People aren't going to like this, but it's the truth.

Too simplistic.

Saban is a better coach because he has better talent.

NigelUno wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

People aren't going to like this, but it's the truth.

Too simplistic.

Saban is a better coach because he has better talent.

No. He's also a flat out better coach. Hes now like 10-0 against former assistants.

And...getting the talent is also part of coaching. Coach D needs to figure out how to come some more elite players then if he wants to win a natty.

The_Dude wrote:

SeeRockCity wrote:

Subjectively, no. Objectively through on-field results, yes.

Even though I'm one of the biggest sunshine optimists in this joint, this team never convinced me that we had an elite squad in any facet of the game and could not put games away when they had the chance. And yes, I'm aware of the injuries, and Tressel Ball and all that. Now that bowl results are in, the B1G was soft.

Getting beat by Nebraska in retrospect with new data is now longer as much of an anomaly as it first appeared.

I don't think we beat Ole Miss, Oklahoma, Clemson on a neutral field.

Sorry, but that's just what I think.

Add Stanford , Ohio State

I stopped reading there. We beat OSU at OSU, but we can't beat OSU.

ok....

I love how we caught breaks by having 9 starters out. Having our two best defenders out. One for most of the season, one for the whole season. We caught breaks by having our running backs not able to fucking walk against Rutgers but Scott limping out there. We caught breaks by starting two true freshman at safety against Michigan. Three freshamn and a receiver played in the defensive backfield against Nebraska. Having our starting QB sprain a shoulder. Having to use two freshman as RB's was a huge advantage. One of the biggest breaks we caught was having to go with a second and third stringer against OSU.

This was by far one of the luckiest teams on earth. No way were they going to win through adversity. No way could this team show moxy by playing some third stringers on the line. This team was just damn lucky. Way too many breaks. That 22 play drive against Iowa? Lucky as hell. especially when they called a phantom hold on Conklin and gave our guys motivation to make that up with a QB who had a sprained shoulder.

Look, I know what you're saying about "breaks" or whatever, but fuck you if you call this team "lucky". Was probably the most "unlucky" team I can recall at MSU in years.

Through that adversity, we had the best resume going into the playoffs. Keep us out, but justify how a team that had that much adversity had the best resume.

I think of the officials, Delaney, ESPN, Hoke and Sports Illustrated did their job, the only team that might have a chance against us would be the Carolina Panthers. I do think, though, that if we could neutralize Cam Newton - if Delaney would allow us to do that, anyway - we could take them 9 out of 10 times.

Now everyone claims that they knew what this team was all along, we were not that good, and the B1G sucks.

SeeRockCity wrote:

InTenSity wrote:
MSU is a top 5 team.

Subjectively, no. Objectively through on-field results, yes.

Even though I'm one of the biggest sunshine optimists in this joint, this team never convinced me that we had an elite squad in any facet of the game and could not put games away when they had the chance. And yes, I'm aware of the injuries, and Tressel Ball and all that. Now that bowl results are in, the B1G was soft.

Getting beat by Nebraska in retrospect with new data is now longer as much of an anomaly as it first appeared.

I don't think we beat Ole Miss, Oklahoma, Clemson on a neutral field.

Sorry, but that's just what I think.

MSU is top 5. I'm not sorry that they won so many games.