Re: To cut costs, Flint poisons its residents with lead

by **GRR Spartan** 1/22/2016, 3:04 pm

It's funny that Snyder supporters have dug up a person who wants to make comparisons to folks who were exposed to lead paint to draw a "safer" comparison.

It's not been that long since a Lansing company stopped using their historical name Silver Lead.

by **xsanguine** 1/22/2016, 4:03 pm

Why don't they just use a Life Straw? Geez...

by **steveschneider** 1/22/2016, 4:05 pm

GRR Spartan wrote:It's funny that Snyder supporters have dug up a person who wants to make comparisons to folks who were exposed to lead paint to draw a "safer" comparison.

It's not been that long since a Lansing company stopped using their historical name Silver Lead.

I can't believe he even has supporters. Outside of Michigan he has zero credibility.

Make Michigan great again, give Snyder the boot.

by **Wally Fairway** 1/22/2016, 4:54 pm

LooseGoose wrote:
While the true culprits (The Detroit City Water Department) walk away unscathed.

Just curious how the DCWD are the true culprits?
Genesee County faced the same situation and decided to pay to keep DCW, Flint (or more correctly the emergency financial manager of Flint) decided that they wouldn't wait the 2+ years for the new water pipe and that they wouldn't pay Detroit anymore for their water. This was 100% a money decision, DCWD played the part of the entity willing to sell water to Flint, Flint played the part of not wanting to pay that much.

by **AMwood** 1/23/2016, 7:38 am

Wally Fairway wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:
While the true culprits (The Detroit City Water Department) walk away unscathed.

Just curious how the DCWD are the true culprits?
Genesee County faced the same situation and decided to pay to keep DCW, Flint (or more correctly the emergency financial manager of Flint) decided that they wouldn't wait the 2+ years for the new water pipe and that they wouldn't pay Detroit anymore for their water. This was 100% a money decision, DCWD played the part of the entity willing to sell water to Flint, Flint played the part of not wanting to pay that much.

Thats not how i read it went.

by **SpartanInNH** 1/23/2016, 12:08 pm

RJ Shelton ain't waiting around for politicians to fix things.

RH Shelton's GoFundMe page - #SaveFlint

by **Jake from State Farm** 1/23/2016, 12:16 pm

Wally Fairway wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:
While the true culprits (The Detroit City Water Department) walk away unscathed.

Just curious how the DCWD are the true culprits?
Genesee County faced the same situation and decided to pay to keep DCW, Flint (or more correctly the emergency financial manager of Flint) decided that they wouldn't wait the 2+ years for the new water pipe and that they wouldn't pay Detroit anymore for their water. This was 100% a money decision, DCWD played the part of the entity willing to sell water to Flint, Flint played the part of not wanting to pay that much.

I saw something somewhere where DCWD wanted a 30 year contract with Flint if they wanted to reconnect to the water. Flint was already in the process of building their new pipeline so they told DCWD to f off.

by **xsanguine** 1/23/2016, 12:18 pm

Jake from State Farm wrote:
Wally Fairway wrote:

Just curious how the DCWD are the true culprits?
Genesee County faced the same situation and decided to pay to keep DCW, Flint (or more correctly the emergency financial manager of Flint) decided that they wouldn't wait the 2+ years for the new water pipe and that they wouldn't pay Detroit anymore for their water. This was 100% a money decision, DCWD played the part of the entity willing to sell water to Flint, Flint played the part of not wanting to pay that much.

I saw something somewhere where DCWD wanted a 30 year contract with Flint if they wanted to reconnect to the water. Flint was already in the process of building their new pipeline so they told DCWD to f off.

Can't be true. We have our..... Narrative... And we're sticking to it.

by **Blanch32** 1/23/2016, 12:45 pm

Jake from State Farm wrote:
Wally Fairway wrote:

Just curious how the DCWD are the true culprits?
Genesee County faced the same situation and decided to pay to keep DCW, Flint (or more correctly the emergency financial manager of Flint) decided that they wouldn't wait the 2+ years for the new water pipe and that they wouldn't pay Detroit anymore for their water. This was 100% a money decision, DCWD played the part of the entity willing to sell water to Flint, Flint played the part of not wanting to pay that much.

I saw something somewhere where DCWD wanted a 30 year contract with Flint if they wanted to reconnect to the water. Flint was already in the process of building their new pipeline so they told DCWD to f off.

Don't these politicians know how to negotiate? Fuck!!!! Should have called me and we'd get this sorted out.

....and why doesn't flint already have its own water source? You think this would have been done in the 50s

by **xsanguine** 1/23/2016, 1:00 pm

It's that damned free market and the government trying to intentionally kill people. The unholy alliance... No oxymorons there....

by **CORNER BLITZ** 1/23/2016, 4:52 pm

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/entertainment/music/2016/01/22/pearl-jam-donates-flint-water-crisis/79173162/

Pearl Jam has jumped on board in the aid to help Flint with its water crisis.

On Friday, the rock band pledged $125,000 to the United Way of Genesee County, according to a release from the band’s management. Additionally, a network of the group’s friends and partners — including Live Nation, the group’s record label Republic Records, Universal Music Publishing Group, William Morris Endeavor Entertainment, Glaser Progress Foundation, Brandi Carlile’s Looking Out Foundation and the group’s one-time foes Ticketmaster — chipped in an additional $175,000, bringing the total donation to $300,000.

The band has also launched a CrowdRise campaign for fans to donate money to Flint through the website crowdrise.com/pearljam.

Funds will go toward the United Way of Genesee County’s Flint Water Fund, which aids in both the short- and long-term needs of the Flint community.

Earlier this week, Big Sean also launched a CrowdRise campaign to help those in Flint

by **Turtleneck** 1/23/2016, 4:57 pm

Big Sean? As in the guy that feuded with tRCMB?

by **steveschneider** 1/23/2016, 5:32 pm

CORNER BLITZ wrote:http://www.detroitnews.com/story/entertainment/music/2016/01/22/pearl-jam-donates-flint-water-crisis/79173162/

Pearl Jam has jumped on board in the aid to help Flint with its water crisis.

On Friday, the rock band pledged $125,000 to the United Way of Genesee County, according to a release from the band’s management. Additionally, a network of the group’s friends and partners — including Live Nation, the group’s record label Republic Records, Universal Music Publishing Group, William Morris Endeavor Entertainment, Glaser Progress Foundation, Brandi Carlile’s Looking Out Foundation and the group’s one-time foes Ticketmaster — chipped in an additional $175,000, bringing the total donation to $300,000.

The band has also launched a CrowdRise campaign for fans to donate money to Flint through the website crowdrise.com/pearljam.

Funds will go toward the United Way of Genesee County’s Flint Water Fund, which aids in both the short- and long-term needs of the Flint community.

Earlier this week, Big Sean also launched a CrowdRise campaign to help those in Flint

Pretty cool. Props to Cher and Pearl Jam.

by **The_Dude** 1/23/2016, 6:07 pm

steveschneider wrote:
GRR Spartan wrote:It's funny that Snyder supporters have dug up a person who wants to make comparisons to folks who were exposed to lead paint to draw a "safer" comparison.

It's not been that long since a Lansing company stopped using their historical name Silver Lead.

I can't believe he even has supporters. Outside of Michigan he has zero credibility.

Make Michigan great again, give Snyder the boot.

Lol.

Your hate is strong.

by **Jake from State Farm** 1/23/2016, 7:09 pm

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/times-cover-on-flint-the-poisoning-of-an-american-city

by **Jake from State Farm** 1/23/2016, 7:23 pm

Blanch32 wrote:
Jake from State Farm wrote:

I saw something somewhere where DCWD wanted a 30 year contract with Flint if they wanted to reconnect to the water. Flint was already in the process of building their new pipeline so they told DCWD to f off.

Don't these politicians know how to negotiate? Fuck!!!! Should have called me and we'd get this sorted out.

....and why doesn't flint already have its own water source? You think this would have been done in the 50s

It was probably cheap enough at the time to tie into Detroit's system. Since then the costs have skyrocketed, probably due to legacy costs of having to pay lifetime pensions to the thousands of friends and relatives of Detroit politicians that gave them do nothing jobs
The Flint area has watermains out in the middle of nowhere that were put in a long time ago, probably as a make work program.

by **Blanch32** 1/23/2016, 8:04 pm

Hedman resigned. As she should. My guess is that she tried to bury it too and kept it from her superiors. We'll see if the mess stops with her. I kind of doubt it though

by **steveschneider** 1/23/2016, 8:07 pm

The_Dude wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

I can't believe he even has supporters. Outside of Michigan he has zero credibility.

Make Michigan great again, give Snyder the boot.

Lol.

Your hate is strong.

Not really. Not my state you guys elected him so he's yours. He'd NEVER get elected in New York. We'd impeach him too.

by **Turtleneck** 1/23/2016, 8:31 pm

New York elects idiots, Steve. Look at our current governor. He is terrible.

by **DWags** 1/23/2016, 8:53 pm

Turtleneck wrote:New York elects idiots, Steve. Look at our current governor. He is terrible.

FDR says fuck you.

by **Turtleneck** 1/23/2016, 8:55 pm

FDR would think Andrew Cuomo is a dumbass.

by **steveschneider** 1/23/2016, 9:15 pm

Turtleneck wrote:New York elects idiots, Steve. Look at our current governor. He is terrible.

He may be an idiot, but he's not as dumb as Snyder!

Our Mayor is a one term mayor too, but I don't think he's as bad as the papers make him out to be. Should have elected Carlos Danger!

by **Turtleneck** 1/23/2016, 9:23 pm

From the perspective of someone that does not live anywhere near the city, Cuomo is a complete dumbass.

by **steveschneider** 1/23/2016, 10:48 pm

Turtleneck wrote:From the perspective of someone that does not live anywhere near the city, Cuomo is a complete dumbass.

My .02 he's just maintaining the status quo which isn't a bad thing for this town. He isn't as visible as Bloomberg. The cops, Post and Daily News HATE him. I think they are a bit over board with him.

What's got you worked up about Cuomo, if you don't mind me asking.

by **xsanguine** 1/24/2016, 4:39 pm

Turtleneck wrote:New York elects idiots, Steve. Look at our current governor. He is terrible.

+1

by **SpartanInNH** 1/24/2016, 8:20 pm

You know there's trouble when the public library throws down.

Letter to Libraries from Flint Public Library

by **steveschneider** 1/24/2016, 8:32 pm

xsanguine wrote:
Turtleneck wrote:New York elects idiots, Steve. Look at our current governor. He is terrible.

+1

I gave it some thought, I don't think he's that bad.

A million times better than Snyder.

by **xsanguine** 1/24/2016, 8:35 pm

steveschneider wrote:
xsanguine wrote:

+1

I gave it some thought, I don't think he's that bad.

A million times better than Snyder.

That's not saying much.

How's that quack De Blasio doing nowadays? Get any other cops killed lately?

by **steveschneider** 1/24/2016, 8:38 pm

xsanguine wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

I gave it some thought, I don't think he's that bad.

A million times better than Snyder.

That's not saying much.

How's that quack De Blasio doing nowadays?

Ha! I think he's alright. The cops still f'n hate him. I worked with a lady that is married to a cop and weekly on FB she posts meme's that rips hip. I work with this Irish guy that knows a bunch of cops and he can't stand him. I really don't think he's that bad though.

I moved here during the end of Giuliani and he was easily the least popular mayor during my time here. This was prior to 9/11.

by **xsanguine** 1/24/2016, 8:41 pm

Giuliani outlived his welcome, I think.

De Blasio is just an undercover cuck.

by **steveschneider** 1/24/2016, 8:45 pm

xsanguine wrote:Giuliani outlived his welcome, I think.

De Blasio is just an undercover cuck.

You are not kidding about Giuliani, once the crime was cleaned up people were tired of his shit. That perception changed in one day though. I don't know if you remember Bloomberg's campaign, but he literally came out with a bunch of commercials that said he was going to run the town exactly like Giuliani and keep NY safe. He surged in the polls and won it easily.

by **xsanguine** 1/24/2016, 8:54 pm

steveschneider wrote:
xsanguine wrote:Giuliani outlived his welcome, I think.

De Blasio is just an undercover cuck.

You are not kidding about Giuliani, once the crime was cleaned up people were tired of his shit. That perception changed in one day though. I don't know if you remember Bloomberg's campaign, but he literally came out with a bunch of commercials that said he was going to run the town exactly like Giuliani and keep NY safe. He surged in the polls and won it easily.

I missed those, I didn't move there until 2005.

Giuliani was pretty bad ass as US attorney in the 80's against the mafia. Joe Pistone has a lot of respect for him for the way he handled it but up to and just after I moved there Giuliani couldn't get through a conversation without mentioning how he was mayor on 9/11. Seems to be the natural progression for successful politicians, unfortunately.

by **GRR Spartan** 1/24/2016, 9:18 pm

Flint's a major story and some here want to discuss NY governors and NYC mayors.

Flint is a failure on multiple levels and our fearless governor is desperately trying to flip the blame to the DEQ and throw some more civil servants under the bus.

by **xsanguine** 1/24/2016, 9:21 pm

GRR Spartan wrote:Flint's a major story and some here want to discuss NY governors and NYC mayors.

Flint is a failure on multiple levels and our fearless governor is desperately trying to flip the blame to the DEQ and throw some more civil servants under the bus.

It's okay to multi-task, GRR. Pretty sure the residents of Flint aren't sobbing at the thought of two anonymous internet posters who share a city in common on an MSU sports message board.

Did your captain send you down here to police the thread? And is that captain's name Bernard Kerik?

by Guest 1/24/2016, 9:28 pm

GRR Spartan wrote:Flint's a major story and some here want to discuss NY governors and NYC mayors.

Flint is a failure on multiple levels and our fearless governor is desperately trying to flip the blame to the DEQ and throw some more civil servants under the bus.

Just like Obama said he no idea about what was going on at the IRS targeting conservatives? Class act by a President to throw those employees under the bus. However, lets blame the current governor for Flint being a poor ass city that is like Detroit. It's in financial ruin and the city can only blame it's self. Citizens should be outraged at a number of people but the governor sure as hell isn't one of them.

by **steveschneider** 1/24/2016, 9:43 pm

GRR Spartan wrote:Flint's a major story and some here want to discuss NY governors and NYC mayors.

Flint is a failure on multiple levels and our fearless governor is desperately trying to flip the blame to the DEQ and throw some more civil servants under the bus.

Not to mention all the tea party fanatics in the state that have his back. I don't know what to say, I've come to realize nothing much will happen about this problem. Bunch of angry white males that don't give a flying f and the message i've heard from them is tough shit Flint you did this to your self.

by **Turtleneck** 1/24/2016, 10:02 pm

GRR Spartan wrote:Flint's a major story and some here want to discuss NY governors and NYC mayors.

Flint is a failure on multiple levels and our fearless governor is desperately trying to flip the blame to the DEQ and throw some more civil servants under the bus.

Have you ever tried getting over yourself? We can talk about more than one thing at the same time, GRR.

by **xsanguine** 1/24/2016, 10:04 pm

Turtleneck wrote:
GRR Spartan wrote:Flint's a major story and some here want to discuss NY governors and NYC mayors.

Flint is a failure on multiple levels and our fearless governor is desperately trying to flip the blame to the DEQ and throw some more civil servants under the bus.

Have you ever tried getting over yourself? We can talk about more than one thing at the same time, GRR.

STOP CHANGING THE SUBJECT, ASSHOLE!

by **The_Dude** 1/24/2016, 10:15 pm

GRR Spartan wrote:Flint's a major story and some here want to discuss NY governors and NYC mayors.

Flint is a failure on multiple levels and our fearless governor is desperately trying to flip the blame to the DEQ and throw some more civil servants under the bus.

To cut costs, Flint poisons its residents with lead - Page 8 502811600

by **Turtleneck** 1/24/2016, 10:29 pm

The_Dude wrote:
GRR Spartan wrote:Flint's a major story and some here want to discuss NY governors and NYC mayors.

Flint is a failure on multiple levels and our fearless governor is desperately trying to flip the blame to the DEQ and throw some more civil servants under the bus.

How has this impacted UM Flint?

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