To cut costs, Flint poisons its residents with lead

Turtleneck wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote:Flint's a major story and some here want to discuss NY governors and NYC mayors.

Flint is a failure on multiple levels and our fearless governor is desperately trying to flip the blame to the DEQ and throw some more civil servants under the bus.

Have you ever tried getting over yourself? We can talk about more than one thing at the same time, GRR.

GRR Spartan wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:


Have you ever tried getting over yourself? We can talk about more than one thing at the same time, GRR.

Hell, you can't get over yourself commenting on my posts so I'll try to respect your superior intellect.

The next few weeks will be interesting watching who Snyder blames and who starts defending Snyder with the MI primary approaching.

GRR Spartan wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:


Have you ever tried getting over yourself? We can talk about more than one thing at the same time, GRR.

Hell, you can't get over yourself commenting on my posts so I'll try to respect your superior intellect.

The next few weeks will be interesting watching who Snyder blames and who starts defending Snyder with the MI primary approaching.

steveschneider wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote:Flint's a major story and some here want to discuss NY governors and NYC mayors.

Flint is a failure on multiple levels and our fearless governor is desperately trying to flip the blame to the DEQ and throw some more civil servants under the bus.

Not to mention all the tea party fanatics in the state that have his back. I don't know what to say, I've come to realize nothing much will happen about this problem. Bunch of angry white males that don't give a flying f and the message i've heard from them is tough shit Flint you did this to your self.

LooseGoose wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

Not to mention all the tea party fanatics in the state that have his back. I don't know what to say, I've come to realize nothing much will happen about this problem. Bunch of angry white males that don't give a flying f and the message i've heard from them is tough shit Flint you did this to your self.

Snyder was never a Tea Party candidate.  Amazing how everything bad that happens is somehow the Tea Party's doing.

steveschneider wrote:http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/wayne/2015/02/14/tenorm-deq-radioactive-fracking-waste-landfill-oil-gas/23390181/

Snyder's team looked this over to make sure everyone is safe. What could possibly go wrong?

DWags wrote:A Free Press report last August highlighted Wayne Disposal's plans to accept up to 36 tons of radioactive fracking sludge from a Pennsylvania oil and gas drilling company — after it had been turned away by landfills in Pennsylvania and West Virginia. Wayne Disposal on its website advertises its ability as one of few landfills in the U.S. capable of accepting TENORM waste.



Why are we accepting things that are turned away by other states?   Seriously?  

DWags wrote:Yeah, even if it's safe, I just don't trust him.

steveschneider wrote:http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2016/01/25/michigan-state-spartans-tom-izzo-flint/79310064/

Tom Izzo weighs in.

steveschneider wrote:http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2016/01/25/michigan-state-spartans-tom-izzo-flint/79310064/

Tom Izzo weighs in.

SpartanInNH wrote:tl;dr for me, but somebody out there might be interested.  

https://www.kettering.edu/sites/default/files/resource-file-download/KetteringWaterAlumniParents1242016.pdf

Please Note: The following is a summary of the introduction of a longer letter written by the President of the University. Please refer to his full letter, available online, which contains detailed footnotes as well as test results, explanations, and other important information.


To the Kettering Community of Parents of our Students and our Alumni:

I know that you value the excellence of education we provide, but I expect as alumni or parents of students currently enrolled at our great University you are concerned about the barrage of news about Flint's water supply. I am a proud parent of a Kettering student, and my family and I reside in Flint, so I understand deeply and very personally how you might be feeling about the situation as reported in the media.

Last week, I sent a detailed Kettering Water Update letter to our campus and to our students. Because I know (from direct experience!) that students may not always communicate promptly with their parents on even important issues, I thought I would take a moment to update you and our alumni directly on this issue, because I know it is a subject of concern.

Unfortunately, as is often the case in public crises, a great deal of misinformation about the water supply in Flint is being reported as fact. Just as distressingly, though, a great deal of important information that we do have about the situation is also not being reported.

Kettering campus water is safe, and our faculty, staff, students, and campus residents are not being exposed to contaminated water on campus. We are, and have been even before the current crisis emerged, committed to ongoing testing of our water to ensure the safety of the campus water supply. Moreover, the entire water supply of Flint has not been contaminated with lead; although some sections of the city have experienced problems, some severe, other sections have not.

All of us deplore that any single person has been exposed to unsafe levels of lead in the water; however, many, many people living in Flint have not been exposed to water containing elevated levels of lead in their residences or places of business.

I also want to clarify that the water from the Flint River that was used as the city's water source from April 2014 through October 2015 was not contaminated with lead. The contamination, where it occurred, was due primarily to interactions between treated river water and lead supply lines in the distribution system, particularly in the lead lines connecting individual houses to local water mains. This is not a global problem with the water, but a problem with how that water - after treatment - interacted with some pipes and other elements of the city's distribution system. The interaction was often (considerably) different - even house-by-house on a single block.

In the full version of this letter, which I encourage you to read, I outline for you what we know about the nature of the contamination of the Flint system, how the University has responded to it, what we have done and are doing on an ongoing basis to ensure the integrity and safety of drinking water on the campus, and how we are working to ensure that those in the campus community who live off-campus in private housing have access to appropriate information, tests, and filters to ensure and monitor the safety of their private supplies.

Because I want to document what I write, my letter includes footnotes that will lead you, if you are interested, to the sources of my information, something I learned to do as a faculty member and still highly value. We are committed to deploying every resource at our disposal to continue to ensure the safety of our entire campus community and our visitors. I hope that as members of the Kettering Community that the information presented in this letter is helpful to you.

We value your input; if you have questions, comments, or thoughts on this issue, we welcome you to send them to us at water@kettering.edu. We have also established a web page, kettering.edu/water, with links to resources that include water test results for our campus, contact information, and other materials that also may be of interest to you.

Thank you.

Warmest Regards,

Dr. Robert K. McMahan
Kettering University President

CORNER BLITZ wrote:This was the email they sent with that

GRR Spartan wrote:After hearing AG Schutte's tough sounding pressed on Mnday I wonder if he wants Snyder's head on a stick as his trophy to use for his own run for governor in 2018?

Schutte has been part of the GOP establishment since he was a GOP convention delegate as a recent HS grad.

Blanch32 wrote:

steveschneider wrote:http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2016/01/25/michigan-state-spartans-tom-izzo-flint/79310064/

Tom Izzo weighs in.

Izzo for president!

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:You guys still treating this like a game and you're rooting for your own political team? Awesome.

LooseGoose wrote:

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:You guys still treating this like a game and you're rooting for your own political team? Awesome.

I'm rooting for facts over hysteria.

While the entire State and Nation are collectively freaking out over Flint the fact that there are worse lead problems elsewhere is essentially ignored.

Interactive map: Places with higher lead rates than Flint

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:You guys still treating this like a game and you're rooting for your own political team? Awesome.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

I'm rooting for facts over hysteria.

While the entire State and Nation are collectively freaking out over Flint the fact that there are worse lead problems elsewhere is essentially ignored.

Interactive map: Places with higher lead rates than Flint

"and the culprit is usual lead paint found in older homes"

Do you seriously not get why those are different things or are you too blinded by the glorious and lovely R next to Snyder's name?

LooseGoose wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

"and the culprit is usual lead paint found in older homes"

Do you seriously not get why those are different things or are you too blinded by the glorious and lovely R next to Snyder's name?

Fuck Snyder, I've never voted for him. And "those are different things"?? So lead isn't lead? OK, gotcha.

As I stated in my post up the page the lead levels in Flint are lower than what most kids my age had, water or paint it's a bad thing but it's not the incredible crisis being pitched by your fucking media masters. Good god you talk about me being blinded while you ignore facts to spew the same shit you're being fed without considering the truth of it.

LooseGoose wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

"and the culprit is usual lead paint found in older homes"

Do you seriously not get why those are different things or are you too blinded by the glorious and lovely R next to Snyder's name?

Fuck Snyder, I've never voted for him. And "those are different things"?? So lead isn't lead? OK, gotcha.

As I stated in my post up the page the lead levels in Flint are lower than what most kids my age had, water or paint it's a bad thing but it's not the incredible crisis being pitched by your fucking media masters. Good god you talk about me being blinded while you ignore facts to spew the same shit you're being fed without considering the truth of it.

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:You guys still treating this like a game and you're rooting for your own political team? Awesome.

xsanguine wrote:

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:You guys still treating this like a game and you're rooting for your own political team? Awesome.

Isn't that how it's always worked?

It's never about reality... It's about that primal ape group mentality. We think we've evolved... But we're still very much a bunch of fucking chimps. Find the weakness and pick at it until the fucker is dead. #democracy

steveschneider wrote:NYT article 'When the Water Turned Brown'
I flat out would not drink the brown stuff coming out of the faucet.
Snyder and his goons have hired some big time spin doctors, won't get fooled again!

steveschneider wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

Isn't that how it's always worked?

It's never about reality... It's about that primal ape group mentality. We think we've evolved... But we're still very much a bunch of fucking chimps. Find the weakness and pick at it until the fucker is dead. #democracy

I've accepted that this problem won't get fixed. It's sad, but you are right.

I had a thought the other day, I wonder if the residents of Flint could go to Canada and claim refugee status. If I lived there that's probably what I'd look into.

I know Canada took in a Florida teacher the other year that was facing something like a 28 year prison sentence for having sex with one of her students. Oh Canada!

Either way I'd just get the hell out of Flint. You are in a dump of a town, you are in a state that won't give you democratic powers to elect your own mayor, there's no jobs and as John Lydon said so well in the closing part of God Save the Queen 'no future'.

Just leave is the best solution there is.

xsanguine wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

I've accepted that this problem won't get fixed. It's sad, but you are right.

I had a thought the other day, I wonder if the residents of Flint could go to Canada and claim refugee status. If I lived there that's probably what I'd look into.

I know Canada took in a Florida teacher the other year that was facing something like a 28 year prison sentence for having sex with one of her students. Oh Canada!

Either way I'd just get the hell out of Flint. You are in a dump of a town, you are in a state that won't give you democratic powers to elect your own mayor, there's no jobs and as John Lydon said so well in the closing part of God Save the Queen 'no future'.

Just leave is the best solution there is.

It sucks, I catch myself doing the same thing and I try to be conscious of it but it's hard to fight nature.

It's shitty all the way around. I mean, you're in a town that has had it really rough for a very long time and I doubt it's going to pick up any time soon. Maybe it's just the evolution of cities and migration (aside from this product of probably momentary laziness and not paying attention to the right things at the right time) but it's no consolation to those going through it.

steveschneider wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

Isn't that how it's always worked?

It's never about reality... It's about that primal ape group mentality. We think we've evolved... But we're still very much a bunch of fucking chimps. Find the weakness and pick at it until the fucker is dead. #democracy

I've accepted that this problem won't get fixed. It's sad, but you are right.

I had a thought the other day, I wonder if the residents of Flint could go to Canada and claim refugee status. If I lived there that's probably what I'd look into.

I know Canada took in a Florida teacher the other year that was facing something like a 28 year prison sentence for having sex with one of her students. Oh Canada!

Either way I'd just get the hell out of Flint. You are in a dump of a town, you are in a state that won't give you democratic powers to elect your own mayor, there's no jobs and as John Lydon said so well in the closing part of God Save the Queen 'no future'.

Just leave is the best solution there is.